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Post by chinmusic on May 15, 2023 6:05:25 GMT -8
Stanford is number 3 Beavs are 10th Huskies are 24th U.S. Coast Guard is out looking for oregon.  |
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Post by beaverbeliever on May 15, 2023 7:20:21 GMT -8
Surely the 10th ranked team has to host.
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Post by beavheart on May 15, 2023 7:26:19 GMT -8
Surely the 10th ranked team has to host. But... RPI 🙄 |
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Post by rgeorge on May 15, 2023 8:00:08 GMT -8
Surely the 10th ranked team has to host. But... RPI 🙄 Yeah... unfortunately polls mean very little in the committee's picks. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 15, 2023 8:27:26 GMT -8
So what about teams like Alabama? They have #11 RPi and a losing conf record.....they are not in the top 25.....Furd has an RPI of #16 and and ranked 3rd in the country.
There's a disconnect with RPI, rankings, and conf record. Specific to this season, it says to me the SEC is valued, as a conf, much more than the Pac 12.....its reflected in RPI.
Above, I'm using warren Nolan for RPI and D1 for rankings....
I think what D1 is saying is conf record matters more than RPI......I think they are valuing the Pac 12 as a conference, and understand that the top few teams in the Pac 12, regardless of RPI, are better than .500ish (in conf) SEC teams.
Still may not lead to hosting as there are more than just the SEC/Pac12 obviously.
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Post by beaverstever on May 15, 2023 9:01:55 GMT -8
Yeah... unfortunately polls mean very little in the committee's picks. Is there a history of that though? I'd think completely ignoring the polls would draw a lot of attention to the selection committee when the RPI and Polls get way out of line. It seems like 'eye tests' (which are what the polls amount largely to), end up impacting NCAA selection committees somewhat. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on May 15, 2023 9:07:43 GMT -8
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Post by Bodhisattva on May 15, 2023 9:42:53 GMT -8
RPI does play a role for sure, but West coast teams typically get more of a break when hosting even if their RPI is a little lower. RPI has some known bias against west coast teams mainly because of the travel distance between teams. It is just harder, for NW teams in particular, to schedule high RPI teams in the West. Teams in South, can play multiple games against multiple SEC teams, and win or lose those teams get an inflation of the RPI just for playing those teams. LSU playing a road match at Louisiana Lafeyette is a little different than Washington traveling over 1k miles to play Cal Poly. NW schools are limited to playing Gonzaga, Seattle, Portland and to a lesser extent Nevada without traveling a long distance.
RPI for baseball needs some work. First, they need to remove the large bump or drop in rankings for merely playing someone with a lower RPI. You shouldn't get a jump in RPI if you don't win these games, and conversely you shouldn't drop in RPI if you win against a low RPI team. I would also like to have a slightly different weight for mid-week games vs. weekend games. Teams that lose games with their 4th or 5th starter, shouldn't be penalized the same if losing a game with one of your primary starters.
With that being said, I still think Beavs are in play to host. I give it 50/50. 2nd place in Pac-12 does have some weight beyond RPI. Well probably 3rd place, but 2nd place team is significantly lower RPI and lost the head to head with OSU.
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Post by beavaristotle on May 15, 2023 10:02:15 GMT -8
Say the beavers win the rest of their games, win a couple in the tournament. They would be 10-2 in last 12. How much does finishing strong mean to the committee ? I know in March madness it weighs a lot, record in last 10
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 15, 2023 11:24:40 GMT -8
Say the beavers win the rest of their games, win a couple in the tournament. They would be 10-2 in last 12. How much does finishing strong mean to the committee ? I know in March madness it weighs a lot, record in last 10 I think it's got to have some weight. Lots to consider for the committee......all we can control is to keep winning. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 15, 2023 11:55:30 GMT -8
Surely the 10th ranked team has to host. 17th in Baseball America. 18th in the Baseball Coaches Poll. 18th in Collegiate Baseball Newspaper. D1 Baseball seems to be in the minority. If RPI were not a thing, Oregon State would be squarely in the hosting conversation. But four games against Coppin State and Minnesota and the split with Nevada and New Mexico continues to weigh down RPI like an anchor. 24-7 after a miserable 12-8 start. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 15, 2023 12:48:21 GMT -8
Surely the 10th ranked team has to host. 17th in Baseball America. 18th in the Baseball Coaches Poll. 18th in Collegiate Baseball Newspaper. D1 Baseball seems to be in the minority. If RPI were not a thing, Oregon State would be squarely in the hosting conversation. But four games against Coppin State and Minnesota and the split with Nevada and New Mexico continues to weigh down RPI like an anchor. 24-7 after a miserable 12-8 start. After the 12-8 start, Oregon State's RPI was 110. Since then Oregon State is 7-1 in weekend series and a perfect 7-0 in midweek games. The Beavers have come a long way, but they still need to get several more wins to break into that 25-26 RPI range to get a shot at hosting. |
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Post by irimi on May 15, 2023 12:51:59 GMT -8
Say the beavers win the rest of their games, win a couple in the tournament. They would be 10-2 in last 12. How much does finishing strong mean to the committee ? I know in March madness it weighs a lot, record in last 10 We all remember what happened when we didn't finish strong.
I'm not sure if it is valued or just expected.
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Post by irimi on May 15, 2023 12:57:12 GMT -8
Surely the 10th ranked team has to host. 17th in Baseball America. 18th in the Baseball Coaches Poll. 18th in Collegiate Baseball Newspaper. D1 Baseball seems to be in the minority. If RPI were not a thing, Oregon State would be squarely in the hosting conversation. But four games against Coppin State and Minnesota and the split with Nevada and New Mexico continues to weigh down RPI like an anchor. 24-7 after a miserable 12-8 start. This is one of the problems with RPI, in my opinion. Scheduling a school like Coppin State shouldn't be a punishment as it is beneficial to both programs in different ways and good for the sport in general.
I'm not advocating for filling up a schedule with paper tigers, but a limited number of weak out-of-conference opponents should not affect RPI, especially if you win.
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Post by chinmusic on May 15, 2023 13:20:21 GMT -8
Baseball America ranks the Beavers 17th this week but in their weekly "Eight for Omaha" list - forecasting the NC Field, we are included!
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