beav74
Freshman
Posts: 741
Grad Year: OSU 1974
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Post by beav74 on Apr 23, 2023 17:08:21 GMT -8
Bullpen ERA for ASU series. 6.12
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 23, 2023 17:10:21 GMT -8
In 2006 Buck, Paterson and Grbavac gave up 10 runs, we blew a lead when ASU scored 8 runs in an inning late. Gunderson blew a lead on Saturday and give up four runs in one inning. We blew a late lead again. Stutes got bombed for five runs in 1.1 inning on Sunday. We won that game, but still lost the series. All quality pitchers. ASU is just a tough place to pitch when it warms up. Lots of offense on both sides.....they just had more of it. I think the thing that hurts the most is how sloppy they play on defense, and we still lost.....I believe they had 5 errors on Sat. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 23, 2023 17:13:13 GMT -8
Well, yea I like us at Goss too, but that's a long way off. I watched damn near every pitch of this series, and I came away very impressed with the dirt devils.....and they didn't even have their best player in Ryan Campos. I believe he's on the golden spikes watchlist. Anyway, in my frustration Im not going to discount what they did to our pitching staff.....and coming back in dramatic fashion Sat and sun. Coming into the weekend, we were leading the conference in ERA. I'm assuming not so much after this series. I'm not giving up on our staff......you always get a chance to respond to getting your ass kicked.....be interesting to see how our guys respond. I seriously think pulling the squad out of barely 50 degree temperatures and having them play in 90 degree heat is a bigger factor in these games than the quality of the players. Likewise, I think ASU in Corvallis in drizzly 50 degree weather won't find the same success that they had this weekend. Not buying this excuse. I was in Omaha in '17 and '18.....the heat, and humidity was f%#*ing oppressive! I can't even properly explain it. You had to be there.....I thought it would surely be a disadvantage for our boys.....nah. these guys are finely tuned D1 athletes.....it affected me.....a middle aged, beer drinking fan. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 23, 2023 17:20:49 GMT -8
I seriously think pulling the squad out of barely 50 degree temperatures and having them play in 90 degree heat is a bigger factor in these games than the quality of the players. Likewise, I think ASU in Corvallis in drizzly 50 degree weather won't find the same success that they had this weekend. Not buying this excuse. I was in Omaha in '17 and '18.....the heat, and humidity was f%#*ing oppressive! I can't even properly explain it. You had to be there.....I thought it would surely be a disadvantage for our boys.....nah. these guys are finely tuned D1 athletes.....it affected me.....a middle aged, beer drinking fan. Yep, it’s ninety and not 90 with 90 degree humidity like in Omaha. Our pitchers just had on off weekend against a very good hitting club. I just don’t see any Pac 12 team going far in the postseason unless someone really flips the switch. The league seems to be down this year from top to bottom. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Apr 23, 2023 18:08:17 GMT -8
We would have lost the series if was played at the North Pole. Nothing to do with the heat. Our pitchers got behind in the count and left balls in the middle of the plate. Our hitters took too many hittable pitches especially with runners on. I will never understand guy’s standing there with two strikes a taking a pitch that splits the plate. Play like that at you will lose anywhere.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 23, 2023 18:17:24 GMT -8
We would have lost the series if was played at the North Pole. Nothing to do with the heat. Our pitchers got behind in the count and left balls in the middle of the plate. Our hitters took too many hittable pitches especially with runners on. I will never understand guy’s standing there with two strikes a taking a pitch that splits the plate. Play like that at you will lose anywhere. We scored 30 runs and lost 2 out of 3 games. Not sure I blame the hitters. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 23, 2023 19:02:10 GMT -8
Not buying this excuse. I was in Omaha in '17 and '18.....the heat, and humidity was f%#*ing oppressive! I can't even properly explain it. You had to be there.....I thought it would surely be a disadvantage for our boys.....nah. these guys are finely tuned D1 athletes.....it affected me.....a middle aged, beer drinking fan. Yep, it’s ninety and not 90 with 90 degree humidity like in Omaha. Our pitchers just had on off weekend against a very good hitting club. I just don’t see any Pac 12 team going far in the postseason unless someone really flips the switch. The league seems to be down this year from top to bottom. Pac-12 is off to its best start in the last 25 years. (The Pac-12 has a winning percentage against nonconference teams of .726. That's unreal!) Very good from top to (especially) the bottom. The "issue" is that the top nine teams at the top are all eating each other. Arizona State, Oregon, and Stanford each look very good. The Beavs wore down the Ducks. The pitching for Arizona State and Stanford is not elite, but the hitting for both teams is legitimate. Oregon State did not have the pitching to hold up against either. The Beavs managed to build a big lead and hold on once against the Devils but otherwise got swept. Arizona, UCLA, and USC have backloaded schedules. If any of those three teams go on a run, you are going to see some nutzo RPI numbers. Oregon State needs to get to at least 40 wins and might be the Pac-12's best chance to do so. A lot of parity. The conference still looks like a terror at Tournament time. Hopefully, we don't get jobbed like pretty much every year. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 23, 2023 19:11:18 GMT -8
I seriously think pulling the squad out of barely 50 degree temperatures and having them play in 90 degree heat is a bigger factor in these games than the quality of the players. Likewise, I think ASU in Corvallis in drizzly 50 degree weather won't find the same success that they had this weekend. Not buying this excuse. I was in Omaha in '17 and '18.....the heat, and humidity was f%#*ing oppressive! I can't even properly explain it. You had to be there.....I thought it would surely be a disadvantage for our boys.....nah. these guys are finely tuned D1 athletes.....it affected me.....a middle aged, beer drinking fan. That first North Carolina game in 2018 was oppressive, and Heimlich had everyone wear black. Yuck! I personally blame it for the loss. After that, the rains came and made it cooler. North Carolina and Mississippi State 2 were at night. And Washington and Arkansas 2 finished up at night. And Oregon State wore white against Mississippi State. I was rooting for Arkansas to finish off Florida, so that Mississippi State 2 would be at night. Heimlich had the boys back in black against Arkansas during the day in Arkansas 1 and lost. In 2017, Oregon State crushed LSU during the night and then got crushed twice during the day. I don't think that you can overestimate how much weather affects the boys from Oregon State. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 23, 2023 19:20:33 GMT -8
Next year, in Goss. We win the series. No doubt. Well, yea I like us at Goss too, but that's a long way off. I watched damn near every pitch of this series, and I came away very impressed with the dirt devils.....and they didn't even have their best player in Ryan Campos. I believe he's on the golden spikes watchlist. Anyway, in my frustration Im not going to discount what they did to our pitching staff.....and coming back in dramatic fashion Sat and sun. Coming into the weekend, we were leading the conference in ERA. I'm assuming not so much after this series. I'm not giving up on our staff......you always get a chance to respond to getting your ass kicked.....be interesting to see how our guys respond. In third behind UCLA and USC. Fun facts: UCLA and USC are two of the three teams that have not played in Arizona yet. Washington has the fourth best RPI and had one of their three games rain out against Arizona State. Stanford is fifth in ERA and has not played in Arizona yet. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 23, 2023 19:31:10 GMT -8
Yep, it’s ninety and not 90 with 90 degree humidity like in Omaha. Our pitchers just had on off weekend against a very good hitting club. I just don’t see any Pac 12 team going far in the postseason unless someone really flips the switch. The league seems to be down this year from top to bottom. Pac-12 is off to its best start in the last 25 years. (The Pac-12 has a winning percentage against nonconference teams of .726. That's unreal!) Very good from top to (especially) the bottom. The "issue" is that the top nine teams at the top are all eating each other. Arizona State, Oregon, and Stanford each look very good. The Beavs wore down the Ducks. The pitching for Arizona State and Stanford is not elite, but the hitting for both teams is legitimate. Oregon State did not have the pitching to hold up against either. The Beavs managed to build a big lead and hold on once against the Devils but otherwise got swept. Arizona, UCLA, and USC have backloaded schedules. If any of those three teams go on a run, you are going to see some nutzo RPI numbers. Oregon State needs to get to at least 40 wins and might be the Pac-12's best chance to do so. A lot of parity. The conference still looks like a terror at Tournament time. Hopefully, we don't get jobbed like pretty much every year. Don’t think the non conference schedule is the reality of the current strength of the conference. At this point, I would be surprised if we got more than 1 team to a super. Take for example our non conference schedule. We should win 80% of that schedule. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 23, 2023 19:37:53 GMT -8
I seriously think pulling the squad out of barely 50 degree temperatures and having them play in 90 degree heat is a bigger factor in these games than the quality of the players. Likewise, I think ASU in Corvallis in drizzly 50 degree weather won't find the same success that they had this weekend. Not buying this excuse. I was in Omaha in '17 and '18.....the heat, and humidity was f%#*ing oppressive! I can't even properly explain it. You had to be there.....I thought it would surely be a disadvantage for our boys.....nah. these guys are finely tuned D1 athletes.....it affected me.....a middle aged, beer drinking fan. I understand what you are saying. Perhaps I'm just fishing for excuses to explain how we could lose a series that plays defense so poorly. Yet you do have to admit that a 40+ temperature swing in April is a little more dramatic than maybe 15 degrees in June. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 23, 2023 19:42:20 GMT -8
Not buying this excuse. I was in Omaha in '17 and '18.....the heat, and humidity was f%#*ing oppressive! I can't even properly explain it. You had to be there.....I thought it would surely be a disadvantage for our boys.....nah. these guys are finely tuned D1 athletes.....it affected me.....a middle aged, beer drinking fan. That first North Carolina game in 2018 was oppressive, and Heimlich had everyone wear black. Yuck! I personally blame it for the loss. After that, the rains came and made it cooler. North Carolina and Mississippi State 2 were at night. And Washington and Arkansas 2 finished up at night. And Oregon State wore white against Mississippi State. I was rooting for Arkansas to finish off Florida, so that Mississippi State 2 would be at night. Heimlich had the boys back in black against Arkansas during the day in Arkansas 1 and lost. In 2017, Oregon State crushed LSU during the night and then got crushed twice during the day. I don't think that you can overestimate how much weather affects the boys from Oregon State. '17 was hotter.....can't blame the weather....ever |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 23, 2023 19:51:25 GMT -8
Not buying this excuse. I was in Omaha in '17 and '18.....the heat, and humidity was f%#*ing oppressive! I can't even properly explain it. You had to be there.....I thought it would surely be a disadvantage for our boys.....nah. these guys are finely tuned D1 athletes.....it affected me.....a middle aged, beer drinking fan. I understand what you are saying. Perhaps I'm just fishing for excuses to explain how we could lose a series that plays defense so poorly. Yet you do have to admit that a 40+ temperature swing in April is a little more dramatic than maybe 15 degrees in June. Yea, I hear ya. It was a frustrating series loss. And yea maybe the heat did play a part. After all, every year is a different group of kids.....every team, and every kid, deals with what's in front of them differently. Even if the heat played a part, I'm sure someone like Pat Casey, or Mitch Canham doesn't want to hear about it, or give credence to it......cuz to win it all you can't let weather be a factor..... especially since Omaha is brutal in June. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 23, 2023 20:43:34 GMT -8
Pac-12 is off to its best start in the last 25 years. (The Pac-12 has a winning percentage against nonconference teams of .726. That's unreal!) Very good from top to (especially) the bottom. The "issue" is that the top nine teams at the top are all eating each other. Arizona State, Oregon, and Stanford each look very good. The Beavs wore down the Ducks. The pitching for Arizona State and Stanford is not elite, but the hitting for both teams is legitimate. Oregon State did not have the pitching to hold up against either. The Beavs managed to build a big lead and hold on once against the Devils but otherwise got swept. Arizona, UCLA, and USC have backloaded schedules. If any of those three teams go on a run, you are going to see some nutzo RPI numbers. Oregon State needs to get to at least 40 wins and might be the Pac-12's best chance to do so. A lot of parity. The conference still looks like a terror at Tournament time. Hopefully, we don't get jobbed like pretty much every year. Don’t think the non conference schedule is the reality of the current strength of the conference. At this point, I would be surprised if we got more than 1 team to a super. Take for example our non conference schedule. We should win 80% of that schedule. And Oregon State has won 83% of that schedule. The Pac-12 got at least two teams into the Supers in the past five years. Personally, I would be surprised, if the Pac-12 does not get at least three teams into Supers. |
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beav74
Freshman
Posts: 741
Grad Year: OSU 1974
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Post by beav74 on Apr 23, 2023 20:49:49 GMT -8
6 of our 9 remaining Pac-12 games are against a
13-28-1 combined record.
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