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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 20, 2023 9:43:05 GMT -8
Still ....it's baseball. One night of suck doesn't mean everything.....also they weren't at home. The bottom line is, ASU is a decent ball club that we need to beat to make post season. And if we go down there and lose 2 of 3, or get swept, we probly don't deserve post season anyway. So let's go kick some sun devil ass!
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Post by beavs6 on Apr 20, 2023 11:07:14 GMT -8
It's crazy that Miss St is 5-10 in the SEC, yet still they are #26 RPI.....the SEC is apparently that much better than everyone else. Fixed it. (at least according to pollsters) |
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Post by jayvinson on Apr 20, 2023 11:32:54 GMT -8
The fact that Arizona destroyed the Sun Devil's second-rate pitchers means nothing, but it could be a positive that the ASU hitters couldn't hit Arizona's second-rate (mid-week) pitching.
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 20, 2023 12:15:18 GMT -8
My guess is ASU kept EVERYONE in the pen they thought they may need for this weekend. Then, on top of that, they get their asses kicked by their instate rival. I assume we will get the pitchforks best this weekend. Hoping we can at least win the series. It will be tough It's surprising, but that's not really true.
They only have 11 guys who have thrown at least 10 innings this year. They threw 6 of them last night. Their pitching just sucks.
The two ASU pitchers that threw the most pitches last night Tieding (31 pitches) and Manning (36 pitches), rank 4th and 6th on the ASU staff in terms of innings pitched this season. They pitched the first 3 innings last night and gave up 8 hits and 9 earned runs (including 4 HRs). The ASU batters managed just 5 hits. They struck out 10 times and got 1 walk. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 20, 2023 13:18:44 GMT -8
It's crazy that Miss St is 5-10 in the SEC, yet still they are #26 RPI.....the SEC is apparently that much better than everyone else this season? This season? They are propped up in all sports every season |
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Post by beavheart on Apr 20, 2023 16:23:54 GMT -8
It's crazy that Miss St is 5-10 in the SEC, yet still they are #26 RPI.....the SEC is apparently that much better than everyone else this season? This season? They are propped up in all sports every season SEC is simply the biggest fish in the deepest end of the pond. Is why RPI churns out the exact same result yearly for going on a couple decades now. |
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Post by tamatrix on Apr 20, 2023 20:31:14 GMT -8
This is one thing to watch about this game and this weekend...
"The Sun Devils were without the services of the Golden Spikes Award Watch List member and a Pac-12 Player of the week winner Ryan Campos, who is day to day with an oblique injury."
Campos is hitting .410 this year with 7 HR, plus 26 BB vs only 12 K and slugging .661
Hope the kid takes the weekend off to get better! Those obliques can linger!
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Post by tamatrix on Apr 20, 2023 20:33:14 GMT -8
This is one thing to watch about this game and this weekend... "The Sun Devils were without the services of the Golden Spikes Award Watch List member and a Pac-12 Player of the week winner Ryan Campos, who is day to day with an oblique injury." Campos is hitting .410 this year with 7 HR, plus 26 BB vs only 12 K and slugging .661 Hope the kid takes the weekend off to get better! Those obliques can linger! Looks like he was hurt on Tuesday, April 11th and hasn't played since... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 20, 2023 23:08:46 GMT -8
It's crazy that Miss St is 5-10 in the SEC, yet still they are #26 RPI.....the SEC is apparently that much better than everyone else this season? #22 in RPI. The SEC has won 82.36% of their nonconference games. The Pac-12 has won 71.53% of their nonconference games. Missouri is 18-3 in nonconference play against a more challenging nonconference schedule than Oregon State. Missouri beat Texas and Texas Christian in Arlington; beat Kansas in Kansas City; beat Illinois in Sauget, Illinois; and beat Missouri State in a home-and-home. One of the three nonconference losses is to Oklahoma State in Arlington. Missouri was swept by #1 Kentucky in Lexington and #2 South Carolina in South Carolina. Missouri lost two of three to #7 Vandy in Missouri. Missouri swept #41 Tennessee. And Missouri lost two of three to #44 Texas A&M in College Station. Oregon State gone 15-3 in nonconference play, leading the Pac-12. Half of the SEC has a better record in nonconference play than Oregon State. And none of the SEC teams have played as soft of a nonconference slate as the Beavers. Wazzu is second in the Pac-12 at 14-3 in nonconference. Wazzu's nonconference schedule would rank ninth in the SEC and is against a softer nonconference slate than Oregon State. UCLA has the seventh best nonconference record in the Pac-12 at 13-6. Every single team in the SEC has a better nonconference record than UCLA. That is to say that the team with the worst nonconference record in the SEC has a better nonconference record than five different Pac-12 teams and four of those teams are ranked first, second, third, and tied for fourth in the Pac-12. (Cellar-dwelling Utah has the worst nonconference record.) |
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 21, 2023 6:46:24 GMT -8
Those are just YOUR facts. You have to take into account the lived-experience of the Pac-12 teams, otherwise you are just another tool of SEC-supremacy.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 21, 2023 7:19:34 GMT -8
It's crazy that Miss St is 5-10 in the SEC, yet still they are #26 RPI.....the SEC is apparently that much better than everyone else this season? #22 in RPI. The SEC has won 82.36% of their nonconference games. The Pac-12 has won 71.53% of their nonconference games. Missouri is 18-3 in nonconference play against a more challenging nonconference schedule than Oregon State. Missouri beat Texas and Texas Christian in Arlington; beat Kansas in Kansas City; beat Illinois in Sauget, Illinois; and beat Missouri State in a home-and-home. One of the three nonconference losses is to Oklahoma State in Arlington. Missouri was swept by #1 Kentucky in Lexington and #2 South Carolina in South Carolina. Missouri lost two of three to #7 Vandy in Missouri. Missouri swept #41 Tennessee. And Missouri lost two of three to #44 Texas A&M in College Station. Oregon State gone 15-3 in nonconference play, leading the Pac-12. Half of the SEC has a better record in nonconference play than Oregon State. And none of the SEC teams have played as soft of a nonconference slate as the Beavers. Wazzu is second in the Pac-12 at 14-3 in nonconference. Wazzu's nonconference schedule would rank ninth in the SEC and is against a softer nonconference slate than Oregon State. UCLA has the seventh best nonconference record in the Pac-12 at 13-6. Every single team in the SEC has a better nonconference record than UCLA. That is to say that the team with the worst nonconference record in the SEC has a better nonconference record than five different Pac-12 teams and four of those teams are ranked first, second, third, and tied for fourth in the Pac-12. (Cellar-dwelling Utah has the worst nonconference record.) Yeah but if 3/4 of your conference is ranked and you mostly play at home gaming RPI gets easier. |
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Post by beavheart on Apr 21, 2023 9:30:50 GMT -8
#22 in RPI. The SEC has won 82.36% of their nonconference games. The Pac-12 has won 71.53% of their nonconference games. Missouri is 18-3 in nonconference play against a more challenging nonconference schedule than Oregon State. Missouri beat Texas and Texas Christian in Arlington; beat Kansas in Kansas City; beat Illinois in Sauget, Illinois; and beat Missouri State in a home-and-home. One of the three nonconference losses is to Oklahoma State in Arlington. Missouri was swept by #1 Kentucky in Lexington and #2 South Carolina in South Carolina. Missouri lost two of three to #7 Vandy in Missouri. Missouri swept #41 Tennessee. And Missouri lost two of three to #44 Texas A&M in College Station. Oregon State gone 15-3 in nonconference play, leading the Pac-12. Half of the SEC has a better record in nonconference play than Oregon State. And none of the SEC teams have played as soft of a nonconference slate as the Beavers. Wazzu is second in the Pac-12 at 14-3 in nonconference. Wazzu's nonconference schedule would rank ninth in the SEC and is against a softer nonconference slate than Oregon State. UCLA has the seventh best nonconference record in the Pac-12 at 13-6. Every single team in the SEC has a better nonconference record than UCLA. That is to say that the team with the worst nonconference record in the SEC has a better nonconference record than five different Pac-12 teams and four of those teams are ranked first, second, third, and tied for fourth in the Pac-12. (Cellar-dwelling Utah has the worst nonconference record.) Yeah but if 3/4 of your conference is ranked and you mostly play at home gaming RPI gets easier. My issue with this is that all of those "stats and ratings" are based on the RPI. Conferences like the Sun Belt, Colonial Athletic, and Missouri Valley Conference are jacked way up in the RPI, because they have other smaller conferences around them to feast on. The SEC beats up on them all, mostly at home, and still manages to lose plenty of head scratching OOC games but it just doesn't seem to matter. If there were several other smaller conferences on the west coast for the Big West and Mountain West to beat up on then they would be higher, and then also so would the Pac12. The RPI awards the population centers, and hurts the west coast for being so spread out and not as deep in D1 teams. IMO, it's difficult to have a fair and logical discussion around such a flawed metric. 10 of 14 SEC teams are #27 or better in the RPI, with A&M having the worst rating at #51. 6 of the top 11 are SEC teams. Basically, if the SEC doesn't win the NC every year it's an enormous disappointment. Does anyone honestly believe the conference is THAT good? I believe the SEC is the best conference top to bottom, but their rating in the RPI is wildly inflated. |
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 21, 2023 9:31:26 GMT -8
The statistical defect in the RPI is that the larger the pool of teams, the larger the spread from top to bottom. The East has a larger pool of teams than the West, so the top East teams outrank the top West teams and the bottom East teams are lower than the bottom West teams.
So using RPI to compare SEC and the ACC is fair - they are all in the same pool. Using RPI to compare SEC and Pac is not quite so fair. But Wilky isn't using RPI to make the point. There isn't much question that the SEC is just plain better than any other conference this year.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 21, 2023 10:21:01 GMT -8
The statistical defect in the RPI is that the larger the pool of teams, the larger the spread from top to bottom. The East has a larger pool of teams than the West, so the top East teams outrank the top West teams and the bottom East teams are lower than the bottom West teams. So using RPI to compare SEC and the ACC is fair - they are all in the same pool. Using RPI to compare SEC and Pac is not quite so fair. But Wilky isn't using RPI to make the point. There isn't much question that the SEC is just plain better than any other conference this year. Yea, just looking at the records, and what's happened in the SEC this season, looks like a really deep conference....lots of teams like Miss St, Ole Miss, Tenn, that have pretty bad conf records but are pretty good ball clubs......just the clubs above em are that much better |
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Post by beavsab on Apr 21, 2023 10:24:58 GMT -8
The good news is that the committee doesn't care about RPI that much for Pac-12 teams, probably because of some of the issues with it that are cited here. If you win 15 or less games in the Pac-12, you don't get into the tourney. If you win 17 or more conference games, you get in every time. Win 16 and your RPI matters and needs to be better than 45. No exceptions to this rule since we became the Pac-12 and went to 30 conference games.
But the recipe for all Pac-12 teams is pretty simple in my opinion: take care of business, get to 17 conference wins, and don't worry too much about RPI.
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