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Post by beaverology on Apr 14, 2023 10:01:52 GMT -8
People want to focus on Chance Nolan's performance against USC last year, and he did have a bad game. Maybe they should think about the game he had in 2021 that gave us our first victory in SoCal against USC since 1960. That was a signature win and he played awesome.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 14, 2023 14:06:39 GMT -8
Nope... simply want to focus on his digression after 3+ years in a system.
Plus, he chose to leave. Wonder why?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 14, 2023 14:37:52 GMT -8
Nope... simply want to focus on his digression after 3+ years in a system. Plus, he chose to leave. Wonder why? Is 1 bad game and 1 bad quarter a digression or just 5 bad quarters? I'd go with Coach Smith saying "You'd like to have your starter able to play" several games after Nolan went down over what fans say. Now Smith may have later changed his mind, but it wasn't a ringing endorsement of Nolan's replacement at the time.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 14, 2023 15:05:09 GMT -8
To summarize, he had no chance to play here.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 14, 2023 16:16:51 GMT -8
Nope... simply want to focus on his digression after 3+ years in a system. Plus, he chose to leave. Wonder why? Is 1 bad game and 1 bad quarter a digression or just 5 bad quarters? I'd go with Coach Smith saying "You'd like to have your starter able to play" several games after Nolan went down over what fans say. Now Smith may have later changed his mind, but it wasn't a ringing endorsement of Nolan's replacement at the time. So, what was CS supposed to say while the "former" starter is still on the roster and the team is winning, on the way to 10 wins? CS is never one to give out "ringing endorsements". And, "You'd like to have your starter able to play", isn't exactly a "ringing endorsement" that the team would suffer w/o Chance. Chance was always a bit mystifying in the ups and downs of his play. I believe his replacement did just fine and is one of the reasons Chance decided to move on well before the portal landed us another "better" QB option.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 14, 2023 16:49:19 GMT -8
Is 1 bad game and 1 bad quarter a digression or just 5 bad quarters? I'd go with Coach Smith saying "You'd like to have your starter able to play" several games after Nolan went down over what fans say. Now Smith may have later changed his mind, but it wasn't a ringing endorsement of Nolan's replacement at the time. So, what was CS supposed to say while the "former" starter is still on the roster and the team is winning, on the way to 10 wins? CS is never one to give out "ringing endorsements". And, "You'd like to have your starter able to play", isn't exactly a "ringing endorsement" that the team would suffer w/o Chance. Chance was always a bit mystifying in the ups and downs of his play. I believe his replacement did just fine and is one of the reasons Chance decided to move on well before the portal landed us another "better" QB option. Are you privvy to Smith's thinking? I'm not, and I doubt you are. I go on what the coach says, despite the possibility of coach speak trying to be nice to Nolan it was a knock on Gulbranson as well. Like I said earlier, later on in the season Smith could have well changed his mind as Gulbranson was getting pretty comfortable in the starting position and the entire team was improving. My guess is Gulbranson would have been the guy to beat had Nolan been healthy the last 5 games or so. They both arrived at OSU the same month from what I recall, Nolan still ended up with a higher passer's rating both this season and for his career than Gulbranson thus far. I'm not into diminishing his accomplishments as much as some people here. He may never play another down, but he did well here on the whole.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 14, 2023 16:54:30 GMT -8
So, what was CS supposed to say while the "former" starter is still on the roster and the team is winning, on the way to 10 wins? CS is never one to give out "ringing endorsements". And, "You'd like to have your starter able to play", isn't exactly a "ringing endorsement" that the team would suffer w/o Chance. Chance was always a bit mystifying in the ups and downs of his play. I believe his replacement did just fine and is one of the reasons Chance decided to move on well before the portal landed us another "better" QB option. Are you privvy to Smith's thinking? I'm not, and I doubt you are. I go on what the coach says, despite the possibility of coach speak trying to be nice to Nolan it was a knock on Gulbranson as well. Like I said earlier, later on in the season Smith could have well changed his mind as Gulbranson was getting pretty comfortable in the starting position and the entire team was improving. My guess is Gulbranson would have been the guy to beat had Nolan been healthy the last 5 games or so. They both arrived at OSU the same month, Nolan still ended up with a higher passer's rating both this season and for his career than Gulbranson thus far. I'm not into diminishing his accomplishments as much as some people here. He may never play another down, but he did well here on the whole. LOL... so obviously you do think you are privy (just ONE "v") to what he thinks! I took his quote, which you provided, for exactly what it was... not really any sign of excessive concern, hence no slam at BG at all. As, for most of the preseason camp he said the competition was basically even. So, "nope" can't read his mind, just as you can't... but, going on what he said all season long he has complete confidence in Ben, he just lacked game experience. Get over the "Chance" defense... he is long gone. Chance was not the QB to lead OSU to 9 or 10 wins, BG was the guy to complete that feat. Wins are what matters, not temporary stats from select games or the previous season (which actually shows his digression). BG proved himself. BG is still here, Chance left (can't read his mind either, but I'm pretty sure if he thought he was the starter going into 2023 he would still be around... or until DJU arrived!). OSU's QB room is better. That's the ultimate goal. Hopefully Chance finds a place to play. And, IF... Chance has stayed, does OSU land DJU??? I'll take the current QB room.
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Post by irimi on Apr 14, 2023 17:17:08 GMT -8
Are you privvy to Smith's thinking? I'm not, and I doubt you are. I go on what the coach says, despite the possibility of coach speak trying to be nice to Nolan it was a knock on Gulbranson as well. Like I said earlier, later on in the season Smith could have well changed his mind as Gulbranson was getting pretty comfortable in the starting position and the entire team was improving. My guess is Gulbranson would have been the guy to beat had Nolan been healthy the last 5 games or so. They both arrived at OSU the same month, Nolan still ended up with a higher passer's rating both this season and for his career than Gulbranson thus far. I'm not into diminishing his accomplishments as much as some people here. He may never play another down, but he did well here on the whole. LOL... so obviously you do think you are privy (just ONE "v") to what he thinks! I took his quote, which you provided, for exactly what it was... not really any sign of excessive concern, hence no slam at BG at all. As, for most of the preseason camp he said the competition was basically even. So, "nope" can't read his mind, just as you can't... but, going on what he said all season long he has complete confidence in Ben, he just lacked game experience. Get over the "Chance" defense... he is long gone. Chance was not the QB to lead OSU to 9 or 10 wins, BG was the guy to complete that feat. Wins are what matters, not temporary stats from select games or the previous season (which actually shows his digression). BG proved himself. BG is still here, Chance left (can't read his mind either, but I'm pretty sure if he thought he was the starter going into 2023 he would still be around... or until DJU arrived!). OSU's QB room is better. That's the ultimate goal. Hopefully Chance finds a place to play. And, IF... Chance has stayed, does OSU land DJU??? I'll take the current QB room. Chance was good for OSU. If you don't think so, then you weren't watching the same team develop and grow that I watched. The lack of quality receivers is what hurt Chance, Gulbranson, and Gebbia. And that's simply because we have been developing and growing back into a formidable power. If DJU steps into this Beaver team and lights it up, I will be happy. But I won't forget the ones that brought us to this point. And Chance was a big part of that.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 14, 2023 17:29:06 GMT -8
LOL... so obviously you do think you are privy (just ONE "v") to what he thinks! I took his quote, which you provided, for exactly what it was... not really any sign of excessive concern, hence no slam at BG at all. As, for most of the preseason camp he said the competition was basically even. So, "nope" can't read his mind, just as you can't... but, going on what he said all season long he has complete confidence in Ben, he just lacked game experience. Get over the "Chance" defense... he is long gone. Chance was not the QB to lead OSU to 9 or 10 wins, BG was the guy to complete that feat. Wins are what matters, not temporary stats from select games or the previous season (which actually shows his digression). BG proved himself. BG is still here, Chance left (can't read his mind either, but I'm pretty sure if he thought he was the starter going into 2023 he would still be around... or until DJU arrived!). OSU's QB room is better. That's the ultimate goal. Hopefully Chance finds a place to play. And, IF... Chance has stayed, does OSU land DJU??? I'll take the current QB room. Chance was good for OSU. If you don't think so, then you weren't watching the same team develop and grow that I watched. The lack of quality receivers is what hurt Chance, Gulbranson, and Gebbia. And that's simply because we have been developing and growing back into a formidable power. If DJU steps into this Beaver team and lights it up, I will be happy. But I won't forget the ones that brought us to this point. And Chance was a big part of that. If reading whatever you want into posts is your thing... you win. No where in mine or anyone else's posts did we indicate Chance wasn't "good" for OSU. He was a step in the progression of getting better, hence OSU needs better.
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 14, 2023 17:36:31 GMT -8
I loved Chance! It just seemed like he went away from his strengths and his weaknesses were amplified. He didn’t run when it was open in the last few games, like he did previously. Instead he got sacked or threw a bad pass. His accuracy was worse in the end than Darrell Garretson. Lots of good qb’s lose their go to guy and still excel. In short, he played himself out of the lineup.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 14, 2023 20:43:37 GMT -8
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 15, 2023 15:04:39 GMT -8
So this Chance and the "first two games" stuff. So it was Musgrave that made Chance? It had nothing to do with the level of the opponents? One just has to look at the games vs quality teams. Or, even easier... Chance @ SC to Chance vs SC on his home turf. The kid digressed... period. Good luck at Auburn. I think most know if Chance sees much time it's more about the state of Auburn's QB room than Chance's talent. Or, was every other quality team needing QB depth just stupid? I think "regressed" is the term you were after. But I digress...
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 15, 2023 18:22:26 GMT -8
So this Chance and the "first two games" stuff. So it was Musgrave that made Chance? It had nothing to do with the level of the opponents? One just has to look at the games vs quality teams. Or, even easier... Chance @ SC to Chance vs SC on his home turf. The kid digressed... period. Good luck at Auburn. I think most know if Chance sees much time it's more about the state of Auburn's QB room than Chance's talent. Or, was every other quality team needing QB depth just stupid? I think "regressed" is the term you were after. But I digress... Repression, recession, depression-it’s all the same thing man. -Paraphrased Cheech and Chong
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Post by orangeattack on Apr 17, 2023 9:05:55 GMT -8
LOL... so obviously you do think you are privy (just ONE "v") to what he thinks! I took his quote, which you provided, for exactly what it was... not really any sign of excessive concern, hence no slam at BG at all. As, for most of the preseason camp he said the competition was basically even. So, "nope" can't read his mind, just as you can't... but, going on what he said all season long he has complete confidence in Ben, he just lacked game experience. Get over the "Chance" defense... he is long gone. Chance was not the QB to lead OSU to 9 or 10 wins, BG was the guy to complete that feat. Wins are what matters, not temporary stats from select games or the previous season (which actually shows his digression). BG proved himself. BG is still here, Chance left (can't read his mind either, but I'm pretty sure if he thought he was the starter going into 2023 he would still be around... or until DJU arrived!). OSU's QB room is better. That's the ultimate goal. Hopefully Chance finds a place to play. And, IF... Chance has stayed, does OSU land DJU??? I'll take the current QB room. Chance was good for OSU. If you don't think so, then you weren't watching the same team develop and grow that I watched. The lack of quality receivers is what hurt Chance, Gulbranson, and Gebbia. And that's simply because we have been developing and growing back into a formidable power. If DJU steps into this Beaver team and lights it up, I will be happy. But I won't forget the ones that brought us to this point. And Chance was a big part of that. I mean, there is always going to be a bit of "sour grapes" or "we didn't want him anyway" when guys leave the program. It's less for defensive players than it is for offensive players and QB is the lightning rod of the entire offense so of course those sentiments are going to be amplified. It's simple human nature, the way the person who gets dumped convinces themselves that they hate their ex. I do find it weird when some of our fans are proverbially pining for their ex and saying that the new hot chick better measure up or you won't be happy. I know you don't say that directly but that is definitely the implication when you say that if DJU steps in and lights in up, you will be happy. Complete non-sequitur: Always Sunny has absolutely ruined my ability to use the word "implication" without hearing Dennis' voice in my head.
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Post by irimi on Apr 17, 2023 12:51:50 GMT -8
Chance was good for OSU. If you don't think so, then you weren't watching the same team develop and grow that I watched. The lack of quality receivers is what hurt Chance, Gulbranson, and Gebbia. And that's simply because we have been developing and growing back into a formidable power. If DJU steps into this Beaver team and lights it up, I will be happy. But I won't forget the ones that brought us to this point. And Chance was a big part of that. I mean, there is always going to be a bit of "sour grapes" or "we didn't want him anyway" when guys leave the program. It's less for defensive players than it is for offensive players and QB is the lightning rod of the entire offense so of course those sentiments are going to be amplified. It's simple human nature, the way the person who gets dumped convinces themselves that they hate their ex. I do find it weird when some of our fans are proverbially pining for their ex and saying that the new hot chick better measure up or you won't be happy. I know you don't say that directly but that is definitely the implication when you say that if DJU steps in and lights in up, you will be happy. Complete non-sequitur: Always Sunny has absolutely ruined my ability to use the word "implication" without hearing Dennis' voice in my head.Are you having relationship troubles right now? Going through some difficulty? You used the relationship analogy twice in your post. No one is pining for the days of Chance. Instead, we should be able to say "Job well done, kid" and let him go rather than rehashing the low points of his career. As for DJU....Some here think he's going to bring it all together for us, the missing link. I don't like counting chickens before they hatch. I have faith in all the Jonathan Smith has done to build the program, but I don't know what DJU's role in that program will look like nor do I know if he will be successful. If he is tapped to lead the team and if he isn't successful, I won't be crying for who might have stayed. I'm not big on coulda, woulda, shoulda. Each year, the team is a unique puzzle and how the pieces all fit together is up to the coaches.
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