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Post by alwaysorange on Sept 15, 2016 12:22:23 GMT -8
I have been reading the duck basketball recruiting over the past several months and I got to say something doesn't seem right. How are all of these top 50 rated players including Oregon in their final choices or in some situations the final choice. I understand Pritchard going to Oregon he is from here. But there are just too many of the top tier recruits looking at Eugene. Something smells.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 12:37:51 GMT -8
I was thinking the same thing with Lorenzo Romar's recent recruiting haul. He's gotten quality recruits before, but this many and that high? And the timing is more odd than the 'ucks. Here's a guy who's on the hotseat and brings in the top recruits. Hmmmmmm.....
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Post by Angus on Sept 15, 2016 18:57:54 GMT -8
I was thinking the same thing with Lorenzo Romar's recent recruiting haul. He's gotten quality recruits before, but this many and that high? And the timing is more odd than the 'ucks. Here's a guy who's on the hotseat and brings in the top recruits. Hmmmmmm..... Their booster club, The Tyee club throws alot of money around there. Ever since the Don James era in football there. Pretty easy to put two and two together there. Same think with the Nike thing at UO. But looking at their current class at UW, I'm not sure it is all THAT unbelievable, and certainly not out of the ordinary. Yes, they have the one kid who is a 5star, but he is from the Seattle area, so that is sort of natural really. Other than that, not much different than ours. And they did get a top5, one and done type kid who is there this year, who is from Wash DC area. but that one is sort of an anomoly. I believe Romar knew him and has been recruiting him since junior high. So in that regard that was another anomoly. Personally, I would not even bother recruiting a one and done player because they really don't impact your program much at all - than is unless you can stock your entire roster with them, like Kentucky can. But one guy, nope. I think Tinkle's approach will always be trying to get the 4star, 50-150 type player here - guys who are likely to stay 3 years. That type of player in the junior year will be much more valuable than a freshman one and done guy anyday IMO.
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Post by thebeav on Sept 15, 2016 19:06:36 GMT -8
Let's see........
1. Killer facilities 2. Great coach. GREAT coach. Call a spade a spade. 3. Recent Elite Eight participation
That program is on a major roll. Hopefully the Beavs will follow suit.
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Post by jdogge on Sept 15, 2016 21:13:58 GMT -8
Let's see........ 1. Killer facilities 2. Great coach. GREAT coach. Call a spade a spade. 3. Recent Elite Eight participation That program is on a major roll. Hopefully the Beavs will follow suit. You might consider not calling a spade a spade when it's a discussion about a black coach.
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Post by orangeexpress on Sept 16, 2016 7:26:40 GMT -8
I suspect thebeav was talking about Altman; Romar has never made it to the Elite 8 as a UW coach...
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 16, 2016 7:34:58 GMT -8
Let's see........ 1. Killer facilities 2. Great coach. GREAT coach. Call a spade a spade. 3. Recent Elite Eight participation That program is on a major roll. Hopefully the Beavs will follow suit. You might consider not calling a spade a spade when it's a discussion about a black coach. Spade refers to shovel. Not the playing card suit that is black. The etymology of calling a spade a spade goes back to a greek phrase (translated) "call a fig a fig and a trough a trough". Some attribute it to Aristophanes, while others attribute it to the playwright Menander. The Greek historian Plutarch (who died in A.D. 120) used it in Moralia. (copied from this article: www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade) now paraphrasing that article: It should be noted most scholars consider the phrase to be a double entendre... figs and troughs also mean certain parts of the anatomy. anyways, Erasmus, a classic scholar translated the greek phrase to Latin and in doing so, changed the line to "call a spade a spade." The line entered english dialect in 1542 when Erasmus's work began getting translated. It has been used multiple times in classic literature since. It has always referred to a shovel... and a twist on this idiom is "Call a spade a bloody shovel" that was popular year ago in England. Now the problem is, separately around the 1920's in Harlem "Spade" began to emerge as a racial slur. the spade in this case is clearly meaning the playing card spade. It was popular for a couple decades then again disappeared, particularly when civil rights leaders, notably Malcom X "took it back". So, long story short. taking offense to that idiom comes from general ignorance. In otherwords,I think you need to be trying a little to hard to get upset at that one. Spade has not be a slur in this country for more than 50 years basically, yet the phrase has existed for 1,000 years.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 16, 2016 8:30:50 GMT -8
Let's see........ 1. Killer facilities 2. Great coach. GREAT coach. Call a spade a spade. 3. Recent Elite Eight participation That program is on a major roll. Hopefully the Beavs will follow suit. You might consider not calling a spade a spade when it's a discussion about a black coach. That's being overly sensitive. A spade is a garden implement similar to a shovel. That's what the term refers to.
I've heard many black friends use the term. It has nothing to do with playing cards or derogatory names. By the way - are we still in the 1950's? When is the last time anyone has referred to a black person as a "spade"?
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Post by jdogge on Sept 16, 2016 8:41:45 GMT -8
You might consider not calling a spade a spade when it's a discussion about a black coach. Spade refers to shovel. Not the playing card suit that is black. The etymology of calling a spade a spade goes back to a greek phrase (translated) "call a fig a fig and a trough a trough". Some attribute it to Aristophanes, while others attribute it to the playwright Menander. The Greek historian Plutarch (who died in A.D. 120) used it in Moralia. (copied from this article: www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade) now paraphrasing that article: It should be noted most scholars consider the phrase to be a double entendre... figs and troughs also mean certain parts of the anatomy. anyways, Erasmus, a classic scholar translated the greek phrase to Latin and in doing so, changed the line to "call a spade a spade." The line entered english dialect in 1542 when Erasmus's work began getting translated. It has been used multiple times in classic literature since. It has always referred to a shovel... and a twist on this idiom is "Call a spade a bloody shovel" that was popular year ago in England. Now the problem is, separately around the 1920's in Harlem "Spade" began to emerge as a racial slur. the spade in this case is clearly meaning the playing card spade. It was popular for a couple decades then again disappeared, particularly when civil rights leaders, notably Malcom X "took it back". So, long story short. taking offense to that idiom comes from general ignorance. In otherwords,I think you need to be trying a little to hard to get upset at that one. Spade has not be a slur in this country for more than 50 years basically, yet the phrase has existed for 1,000 years. All of the history aside [quite impressive, BTW], "spade" has been, and in many areas of the south AND rural Oregon, is a derogatory reference to a black man or women. It's use in a conversation about a black basketball coach is inappropriate.
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Post by jdogge on Sept 16, 2016 8:43:10 GMT -8
You might consider not calling a spade a spade when it's a discussion about a black coach. That's being overly sensitive. A spade is a garden implement similar to a shovel. That's what the term refers to.
I've heard many black friends use the term. It has nothing to do with playing cards or derogatory names. By the way - are we still in the 1950's? When is the last time anyone has referred to a black person as a "spade"?
See my response to ATown.
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 16, 2016 10:20:11 GMT -8
I'll reinforce what the earlier poster said. he was referring to Altman. If you are thinking it's Romar who is the "great coach", then the term great coach now includes just about everyone.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 16, 2016 10:39:58 GMT -8
Spade refers to shovel. Not the playing card suit that is black. The etymology of calling a spade a spade goes back to a greek phrase (translated) "call a fig a fig and a trough a trough". Some attribute it to Aristophanes, while others attribute it to the playwright Menander. The Greek historian Plutarch (who died in A.D. 120) used it in Moralia. (copied from this article: www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade) now paraphrasing that article: It should be noted most scholars consider the phrase to be a double entendre... figs and troughs also mean certain parts of the anatomy. anyways, Erasmus, a classic scholar translated the greek phrase to Latin and in doing so, changed the line to "call a spade a spade." The line entered english dialect in 1542 when Erasmus's work began getting translated. It has been used multiple times in classic literature since. It has always referred to a shovel... and a twist on this idiom is "Call a spade a bloody shovel" that was popular year ago in England. Now the problem is, separately around the 1920's in Harlem "Spade" began to emerge as a racial slur. the spade in this case is clearly meaning the playing card spade. It was popular for a couple decades then again disappeared, particularly when civil rights leaders, notably Malcom X "took it back". So, long story short. taking offense to that idiom comes from general ignorance. In otherwords,I think you need to be trying a little to hard to get upset at that one. Spade has not be a slur in this country for more than 50 years basically, yet the phrase has existed for 1,000 years. All of the history aside [quite impressive, BTW], "spade" has been, and in many areas of the south AND rural Oregon, is a derogatory reference to a black man or women. It's use in a conversation about a black basketball coach is inappropriate. Selectively taking offense to one of the oldest and most common idioms in not just the English language, but all of Western civilization because of an inability to use context is inappropriate. We should demand more of people not less. We should demand people are generally educated, and not go seeking out offense where none exists. American culture is addicted to righteous indignation. It is our new national pass time, being offended at stupid things. IN the exact usage here, thebeav followed up compliments with the idiom. great coach. GREAT coach. call a spade a spade. there is simply no possible way on earth a reasonable person can take that as offensive. you have to be trying! you have to be TRYING to be offended to that. you have to make the willful decision to interpret spade not as a shovel, not as a playing card suit, not as a verb meaning to cut the ground... but as a relatively obscure racial slur. and that is playing the victim. that is what I mean by righteous indignation. looking for that next high you get from being offended, and the rush of correcting it. also, thebeav was talking out Dana Altman... whom is white. and lastly... words have power. but it is the power we give them. continuing to perpetuate the sensitivity of a word... in this case Spade, which has multiple meanings and all of them are innocent is counter productive. that is not how you take a word back.
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Post by jdogge on Sept 16, 2016 11:26:45 GMT -8
All of the history aside [quite impressive, BTW], "spade" has been, and in many areas of the south AND rural Oregon, is a derogatory reference to a black man or women. It's use in a conversation about a black basketball coach is inappropriate. Selectively taking offense to one of the oldest and most common idioms in not just the English language, but all of Western civilization because of an inability to use context is inappropriate. We should demand more of people not less. We should demand people are generally educated, and not go seeking out offense where none exists. American culture is addicted to righteous indignation. It is our new national pass time, being offended at stupid things. IN the exact usage here, thebeav followed up compliments with the idiom. great coach. GREAT coach. call a spade a spade. there is simply no possible way on earth a reasonable person can take that as offensive. you have to be trying! you have to be TRYING to be offended to that. you have to make the willful decision to interpret spade not as a shovel, not as a playing card suit, not as a verb meaning to cut the ground... but as a relatively obscure racial slur. and that is playing the victim. that is what I mean by righteous indignation. looking for that next high you get from being offended, and the rush of correcting it. also, thebeav was talking out Dana Altman... whom is white. and lastly... words have power. but it is the power we give them. continuing to perpetuate the sensitivity of a word... in this case Spade, which has multiple meanings and all of them are innocent is counter productive. that is not how you take a word back. I believe he was referring to Lorenzo Romar at UW and since I am not black, I cannot be the victim. Nevertheless, it's time we as a society stop justifying the use of discriminatory, racist, sexist or ableist language. You say that because spade "has multiple meanings and all of them are innocent" and is, therefore, acceptable to use in all contexts is disingenuous. Bitch is a common, long used term for a female dog. Is it then acceptable to refer to a woman as a bitch? Freak as a noun means "a very unusual and unexpected event or situation." As a verb, it means "behave or cause to behave in a wild and irrational way, typically because of the effects of extreme emotion, mental illness, or drugs." An archaic use: "fleck or streak randomly." Similarly, spaz means "to move in an awkward or clumsy way" and "to become more angry than a situation warrants." They meets your definition of having "multiple meanings and all of them are innocent" and, therefore, appropriate to use. Would you think them ok to use that term when referring to an individual with a disability? I would hope not. Your attempt to rationalize the use of inappropriate terms is concerning, at the very least. At worst, it's an attempt to gaslight me for pointing out the inappropriateness of the behavior. Are before anyone raises the spectre of "political correctness," the free use of derogatory terms such as these only denigrates the user. Heir Trump has made bad manners great again, it seems. Best thing to do is to say, "Oops. Sorry. I spoke inappropriately." And be done with it. Trying to justify it makes you look a fool.
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Post by jdogge on Sept 16, 2016 11:28:12 GMT -8
All of the history aside [quite impressive, BTW], "spade" has been, and in many areas of the south AND rural Oregon, is a derogatory reference to a black man or women. It's use in a conversation about a black basketball coach is inappropriate. Im sure black people everywhere appreciate you being offended on their behalf. I'm sure decent people everywhere appreciate me standing up against bad manners.
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