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Post by chinmusic on Apr 1, 2023 23:49:37 GMT -8
In presenting his new Media Rights deal to the PAC's University Presidents, George has been working to a deadline of the end of March.
That deadline has come and gone. Has there been any announcement or has George been given an extension to wrap it all up? It feels like this has taken forever, especially when you consider the B1G and Big-12 had new agreements in place months ago.
The recent pronouncements of solidarity from the two University Presidents at Arizona and Utah are really encouraging but it is beyond time to hear some kind progress report or statement from the Commissioner's office.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 2, 2023 0:58:57 GMT -8
In presenting his new Media Rights deal to the PAC's University Presidents, George has been working to a deadline of the end of March. That deadline has come and gone. Has there been any announcement or has George been given an extension to wrap it all up? It feels like this has taken forever, especially when you consider the B1G and Big-12 had new agreements in place months ago. The recent pronouncements of solidarity from the two University Presidents at Arizona and Utah are really encouraging but it is beyond time to hear some kind progress report or statement from the Commissioner's office. I believe that the end of March "deadline" was not a real deadline, but April 15, 2023, may be more of a real deadline. At that point, the University of Arizona has requested that George K. provide the University of Arizona with a better idea of what the plan is or at least what they can expect the plan to be. There is an NBA exclusivity contract window floating out there that is coming up and is set to expire at some point in April. Most of the Presidents wanted the contract to be further along than it is at this point, because there seems to be some ambiguity in that NBA contract window. The actual date, I believe, is April 15, 2023, which gives George K. 10 business days to get this thing into more of a final posture before it gets a lot more complicated. The fear still is that NBC spends a boatload on the NBA, which might force Notre Dame to enter negotiations with the Big Ten. The Notre Dame people are freaking out about a lot of this and are looking for government to step in and fix this, because things are obviously screwy at this point. There may be a threat that Arizona and the other Mountain Schools might start looking to deal in a couple of weeks, if that April 15, 2023 date comes to pass without something more concrete being firmed up. Of course, you can also read things out there that NBC may pay the Pac-12 a premium, if they can raid and get teams out of the Big 12 like Kansas, Houston, TCU, and Texas Tech. So good luck ferreting out what is actually going on. |
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Post by beavheart on Apr 2, 2023 8:56:32 GMT -8
I'm struggling to see what is so attractive about the Big12 at this point. Look at what that conference has become. Any program of consequence has left already, or is out the door posthaste. Other than basketball, why on earth would the 4 corner schools be remotely interested in moving there if the Pac12 deal is anywhere close?
Honestly, I think the ongoing Pac12 saga has been cover for the Big12. Sure they got their deal done first and grabbed the best midwest G5 schools available in the process. Perception wise, they are ahead of the game. But once the Pac12 deal is done, for better or worse, that cover will be gone. It doesn't sound like the Pac deal will be much worse, if at all, and then everyone will start to look at how depleted the Big12 is of any real interest.
If the 4 corner schools want to run off to that collection of also-ran schools - Good luck.
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Post by steinlager on Apr 2, 2023 10:01:04 GMT -8
I'm struggling to see what is so attractive about the Big12 at this point. Look at what that conference has become. Any program of consequence has left already, or is out the door posthaste. Other than basketball, why on earth would the 4 corner schools be remotely interested in moving there if the Pac12 deal is anywhere close? Honestly, I think the ongoing Pac12 saga has been cover for the Big12. Sure they got their deal done first and grabbed the best midwest G5 schools available in the process. Perception wise, they are ahead of the game. But once the Pac12 deal is done, for better or worse, that cover will be gone. It doesn't sound like the Pac deal will be much worse, if at all, and then everyone will start to look at how depleted the Big12 is of any real interest. If the 4 corner schools want to run off to that collection of also-ran schools - Good luck. Truck stop league. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 2, 2023 10:07:01 GMT -8
I'm struggling to see what is so attractive about the Big12 at this point. Look at what that conference has become. Any program of consequence has left already, or is out the door posthaste. Other than basketball, why on earth would the 4 corner schools be remotely interested in moving there if the Pac12 deal is anywhere close? Honestly, I think the ongoing Pac12 saga has been cover for the Big12. Sure they got their deal done first and grabbed the best midwest G5 schools available in the process. Perception wise, they are ahead of the game. But once the Pac12 deal is done, for better or worse, that cover will be gone. It doesn't sound like the Pac deal will be much worse, if at all, and then everyone will start to look at how depleted the Big12 is of any real interest. If the 4 corner schools want to run off to that collection of also-ran schools - Good luck. Basketball. Plus, the remnants of the Big 12 have not been terrible at football over the last several years. The Big 12 looks good to a Utah, because they have BYU. Colorado almost has to go, if Utah goes. Basketball is much more important to the Arizona schools than it is nationwide. Plus, without a Colorado and a Utah, the Arizona schools will have much more history with the Utahs and teams like Texas Tech than they do with the remaining members of the Six-Pac. A San Diego State add can fix some of the foregoing issues. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 2, 2023 10:17:14 GMT -8
Canzano has been pretty accurate about all this. He says the holdup is Apple, a newbie to sports broadcasting rights who is taking WAAAY longer than the traditional partners to pull the trigger. Sounds to me like the usual big corporation paralysis by analysis.
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Post by qbeaver on Apr 2, 2023 10:32:26 GMT -8
The Big 12 resigned with their current partners. What is the hurry? I'm anxious too,but if it happens tomorrow or in three months. It doesn't change anything as far as $$$ involved.Its school presidents doing the negotiation,so academics matter to them.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 2, 2023 10:33:43 GMT -8
Canzano has been pretty accurate about all this. He says the holdup is Apple, a newbie to sports broadcasting rights who is taking WAAAY longer than the traditional partners to pull the trigger. Sounds to me like the usual big corporation paralysis by analysis. That. And I think that Apple is trying to come in to the market with multiple sports and is figuring out to do that on the fly. And on top of that, Apple is basically trying to figure out how the future is going to work right now. It is all fascinating. I am still hoping that George K. did not crap the bed by inking the initial offer that ESPN and Fox put together that the Big 12 teams jumped at. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 2, 2023 10:38:17 GMT -8
The Big 12 resigned with their current partners. What is the hurry? I'm anxious too,but if it happens tomorrow or in three months. It doesn't change anything as far as $$$ involved. You have the NBA contract window, which I believe opens in 13 days, and then the Notre Dame contract window behind it. And money is not static. Something awful could happen in a couple of days and all of the money could evaporate. On the other hand, a bunch of the money that the other conferences are crowing about right now could also evaporate, just like what happened to the second-tier rights in the last MLB regular season contract. You never know. |
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Post by beavheart on Apr 2, 2023 10:41:29 GMT -8
I'm struggling to see what is so attractive about the Big12 at this point. Look at what that conference has become. Any program of consequence has left already, or is out the door posthaste. Other than basketball, why on earth would the 4 corner schools be remotely interested in moving there if the Pac12 deal is anywhere close? Honestly, I think the ongoing Pac12 saga has been cover for the Big12. Sure they got their deal done first and grabbed the best midwest G5 schools available in the process. Perception wise, they are ahead of the game. But once the Pac12 deal is done, for better or worse, that cover will be gone. It doesn't sound like the Pac deal will be much worse, if at all, and then everyone will start to look at how depleted the Big12 is of any real interest. If the 4 corner schools want to run off to that collection of also-ran schools - Good luck. Truck stop league. For real. Everyone is caught up with the Big10 "killing the Pac12", but the Big12 died years ago when Nebraska, Colorado, and A&M all bailed. Texas and Oklahoma leaving was the final blow. How they are poised to raid the Pac12 is nonsense. |
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Post by qbeaver on Apr 2, 2023 10:52:41 GMT -8
The Big 12 resigned with their current partners. What is the hurry? I'm anxious too,but if it happens tomorrow or in three months. It doesn't change anything as far as $$$ involved. You have the NBA contract window, which I believe opens in 13 days, and then the Notre Dame contract window behind it. And money is not static. Something awful could happen in a couple of days and all of the money could evaporate. On the other hand, a bunch of the money that the other conferences are crowing about right now could also evaporate, just like what happened to the second-tier rights in the last MLB regular season contract. You never know. I gèt it. Of course something bad could happen,but the people I consider in the know have been consistent. The deal the conference gets will be in the ball park of the Big 8,and if the president's have their druthers,they don't want to leave the PAC-10. The trolls from the Big 8 and others I don't believe any of their tweets. Just trying to sabotage the PAC-10 and increase the chances the conference disintegrates. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 2, 2023 10:57:32 GMT -8
You have the NBA contract window, which I believe opens in 13 days, and then the Notre Dame contract window behind it. And money is not static. Something awful could happen in a couple of days and all of the money could evaporate. On the other hand, a bunch of the money that the other conferences are crowing about right now could also evaporate, just like what happened to the second-tier rights in the last MLB regular season contract. You never know. I gèt it. Of course something bad could happen,but the people I consider in the know have been consistent. The deal the conference gets will be in the ball park of the Big 8,and if the president's have their druthers,they don't want to leave the PAC-10. The trolls from the Big 8 and others I don't believe any of their tweets. Just trying to sabotage the PAC-10 and increase the chances the conference disintegrates. It also helps keep the Big 12 together and also works to the Big 12's advantage in recruiting. Smart. Big 12 went with the bird-in-the-hand strategy and are reaping as many advantages as they can. The Pac-12 went with the two-in-the-bush strategy and are mired in the consequences. |
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Post by beavheart on Apr 2, 2023 11:00:09 GMT -8
I'm struggling to see what is so attractive about the Big12 at this point. Look at what that conference has become. Any program of consequence has left already, or is out the door posthaste. Other than basketball, why on earth would the 4 corner schools be remotely interested in moving there if the Pac12 deal is anywhere close? Honestly, I think the ongoing Pac12 saga has been cover for the Big12. Sure they got their deal done first and grabbed the best midwest G5 schools available in the process. Perception wise, they are ahead of the game. But once the Pac12 deal is done, for better or worse, that cover will be gone. It doesn't sound like the Pac deal will be much worse, if at all, and then everyone will start to look at how depleted the Big12 is of any real interest. If the 4 corner schools want to run off to that collection of also-ran schools - Good luck. Basketball. Plus, the remnants of the Big 12 have not been terrible at football over the last several years. The Big 12 looks good to a Utah, because they have BYU. Colorado almost has to go, if Utah goes. Basketball is much more important to the Arizona schools than it is nationwide. Plus, without a Colorado and a Utah, the Arizona schools will have much more history with the Utahs and teams like Texas Tech than they do with the remaining members of the Six-Pac. A San Diego State add can fix some of the foregoing issues. All due respect Wilky, but from what chatter I've seen between the Utah schools I would think that the Big12 looks a lot less cool now, because of BYU. The Big10 is another matter (concern) with the Utes. It would appear that SDSU is a foregone conclusion. Also another program, probably SMU. While the conference loses a ton of basketball history with UCLA leaving, basketball isn't driving the bus and right now. Besides, right now, today San Diego St is the big dog. The Arizona schools have close to 50 years of history in the Pac1x. I just don't see a good reason for them to run off to the Big12. Colorado has history there, and could probably easily rejoin the Big12 if they wanted to. They haven't, which I think says a lot. |
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Post by ag87 on Apr 2, 2023 11:15:40 GMT -8
I'm struggling to see what is so attractive about the Big12 at this point. Look at what that conference has become. Any program of consequence has left already, or is out the door posthaste. Other than basketball, why on earth would the 4 corner schools be remotely interested in moving there if the Pac12 deal is anywhere close? Honestly, I think the ongoing Pac12 saga has been cover for the Big12. Sure they got their deal done first and grabbed the best midwest G5 schools available in the process. Perception wise, they are ahead of the game. But once the Pac12 deal is done, for better or worse, that cover will be gone. It doesn't sound like the Pac deal will be much worse, if at all, and then everyone will start to look at how depleted the Big12 is of any real interest. If the 4 corner schools want to run off to that collection of also-ran schools - Good luck. Truck stop league. I laugh a little at this with amused sympathy. I think it is why they have had some discussions with Cal State Fresno. This is only in my mind but operating on that theory, the Big12 should inquire about Wyoming and IUPUI. |
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Post by easyheat on Apr 2, 2023 16:05:38 GMT -8
The Big-12 Media rights package isn't all that - it's less than half of what the B1G negotiated and within 3-4 years could be less than a third of the the B1G revenue. The Big-12 deal is calculated to be about $31m per and a recent statement from the University of Arizona's President predicting the PAC package will "be better than the Big-12's deal" would suggest the PAC's member schools would receive more than that annually.
Maybe the holdup is the prospect of streaming at least 50% of the events, which is controversial with some of the media giants.
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