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Post by beaverology on Mar 30, 2023 7:25:09 GMT -8
The current NIL arrangement leaves OSU sports teams vulnerable to becoming little more than a farm system for the power programs in football and MBB (with WBB and baseball on deck). Within 2 years of inception, we're starting to see the use of financial incentives drawing the talent from the little guy to the big players in college football and MBB. Are we seeing the future with Beaver basketball with Glenn Taylor Jr? Come to OSU as a 3 star kid, work hard and develop yourself, then market your wares with an NIL agent and social media to greater prosperity. If Taylor gets paid, why wouldn't Pope follow? With our current limited state of Beaver collectives (DamN and GK), who will fight for our players to stay Beavers? I don't blame the players, they can't say no to the money. Perhaps they only needed to come after Damien Martinez with a bigger bag and he woulda been first. For San Diego State and Florida Atlantic, the poaching season begins in April, should be interesting to see if those teams get parted out.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 30, 2023 7:41:50 GMT -8
The current NIL arrangement leaves OSU sports teams vulnerable to becoming little more than a farm system for the power programs in football and MBB (with WBB and baseball on deck). Within 2 years of inception, we're starting to see the use of financial incentives drawing the talent from the little guy to the big players in college football and MBB. Are we seeing the future with Beaver basketball with Glenn Taylor Jr? Come to OSU as a 3 star kid, work hard and develop yourself, then market your wares with an NIL agent and social media to greater prosperity. If Taylor gets paid, why wouldn't Pope follow? With our current limited state of Beaver collectives (DamN and GK), who will fight for our players to stay Beavers? I don't blame the players, they can't say no to the money. Perhaps they only needed to come after Damien Martinez with a bigger bag and he woulda been first. For San Diego State and Florida Atlantic, the poaching season begins in April, should be interesting to see if those teams get parted out. They can't? Who knew? Damien Martinez said no. So did, Luke Musgrave. I think they can say no. And San Diego St has been a home for transfers form other schools pre-NIL. That's how they built their rosters over the years. Don't see that changing. The fact is that there are very few players that are getting life changing money. I don't think this is as big of an issue for OSU as everyone seems to make it out to be. You think DJ came here for the money? I don't. |
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Post by beaverology on Mar 30, 2023 7:59:39 GMT -8
Dame said no to how much?
Luke said no to how much?
Bigger bag changes a "No" to a "Yes" in most cases.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 30, 2023 8:03:13 GMT -8
Dame said no to how much? Luke said no to how much? Bigger bag changes a "No" to a "Yes" in most cases. Luke was offered $300K by Alabama.....according to one of our collectives. Again, the guys getting life changing money are minimal |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 30, 2023 17:00:36 GMT -8
The current NIL arrangement leaves OSU sports teams vulnerable to becoming little more than a farm system for the power programs in football and MBB (with WBB and baseball on deck). Within 2 years of inception, we're starting to see the use of financial incentives drawing the talent from the little guy to the big players in college football and MBB. Are we seeing the future with Beaver basketball with Glenn Taylor Jr? Come to OSU as a 3 star kid, work hard and develop yourself, then market your wares with an NIL agent and social media to greater prosperity. If Taylor gets paid, why wouldn't Pope follow? With our current limited state of Beaver collectives (DamN and GK), who will fight for our players to stay Beavers? I don't blame the players, they can't say no to the money. Perhaps they only needed to come after Damien Martinez with a bigger bag and he woulda been first. For San Diego State and Florida Atlantic, the poaching season begins in April, should be interesting to see if those teams get parted out. They can't? Who knew? Damien Martinez said no. So did, Luke Musgrave. I think they can say no. And San Diego St has been a home for transfers form other schools pre-NIL. That's how they built their rosters over the years. Don't see that changing. The fact is that there are very few players that are getting life changing money. I don't think this is as big of an issue for OSU as everyone seems to make it out to be. You think DJ came here for the money? I don't. I agree with most of this post, but I think you're being very naive if you think DJ wasn't offered a significant or at least competitive NIL deal to come here. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 30, 2023 17:17:48 GMT -8
The current NIL arrangement leaves OSU sports teams vulnerable to becoming little more than a farm system for the power programs in football and MBB (with WBB and baseball on deck). Within 2 years of inception, we're starting to see the use of financial incentives drawing the talent from the little guy to the big players in college football and MBB. Are we seeing the future with Beaver basketball with Glenn Taylor Jr? Come to OSU as a 3 star kid, work hard and develop yourself, then market your wares with an NIL agent and social media to greater prosperity. If Taylor gets paid, why wouldn't Pope follow? With our current limited state of Beaver collectives (DamN and GK), who will fight for our players to stay Beavers? I don't blame the players, they can't say no to the money. Perhaps they only needed to come after Damien Martinez with a bigger bag and he woulda been first. For San Diego State and Florida Atlantic, the poaching season begins in April, should be interesting to see if those teams get parted out. I think that post title is greatly overstated. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 30, 2023 17:41:44 GMT -8
They can't? Who knew? Damien Martinez said no. So did, Luke Musgrave. I think they can say no. And San Diego St has been a home for transfers form other schools pre-NIL. That's how they built their rosters over the years. Don't see that changing. The fact is that there are very few players that are getting life changing money. I don't think this is as big of an issue for OSU as everyone seems to make it out to be. You think DJ came here for the money? I don't. I agree with most of this post, but I think you're being very naive if you think DJ wasn't offered a significant or at least competitive NIL deal to come here. He reached out to us. Yes, we probably got him something, but there’s no way it was “competitive” as to what he could have got somewhere else. His goal is the NFL, not a short-term payout. He came here because JS runs an NFL type system and that his end goal. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 30, 2023 17:58:34 GMT -8
The current NIL arrangement leaves OSU sports teams vulnerable to becoming little more than a farm system for the power programs in football and MBB (with WBB and baseball on deck). Within 2 years of inception, we're starting to see the use of financial incentives drawing the talent from the little guy to the big players in college football and MBB. Are we seeing the future with Beaver basketball with Glenn Taylor Jr? Come to OSU as a 3 star kid, work hard and develop yourself, then market your wares with an NIL agent and social media to greater prosperity. If Taylor gets paid, why wouldn't Pope follow? With our current limited state of Beaver collectives (DamN and GK), who will fight for our players to stay Beavers? I don't blame the players, they can't say no to the money. Perhaps they only needed to come after Damien Martinez with a bigger bag and he woulda been first. For San Diego State and Florida Atlantic, the poaching season begins in April, should be interesting to see if those teams get parted out. Sure NIL can be a problem, but I think it is also used as an excuse too much. Beavers have won 14 games in the 2 years Taylor has been here. Probably looking at around a 14 to 16 win season next year if he and rest of the core stays together. Maybe he just wants to be on a winning team and play in the NCAA tournament. Maybe he wants to be on a team that he feels will showcase his talents better. I hope he stays, but if he leaves I don’t think you can blame it all on NIL. |
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Post by beaverology on Mar 31, 2023 6:05:44 GMT -8
Dame said no to how much? Luke said no to how much? Bigger bag changes a "No" to a "Yes" in most cases. Luke was offered $300K by Alabama.....according to one of our collectives. Again, the guys getting life changing money are minimal It would help if you could define 'life changing money'. How much is that? From what I can see, John Ruiz at "The U" is offering big money. Oregon State can't compete with that. We need to worry about competing with schools like San Diego State. They're paying each scholarship MBB player $2,000/month thru their NILC. Does anybody know if OSU MBB scholarship players are receiving anything? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 31, 2023 13:01:51 GMT -8
If he leaves not sure he's going to find another program that gives him as much offensive freedom as he enjoys (enjoyed?) here. He pretty much took whatever shot he wanted, whenever he wanted.
And if he goes into the portal it won't be until Monday or after, when spring term starts, so he gets his final term paid for. If he would have entered the portal before the start of spring term his scholarship would have been revoked.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 31, 2023 15:12:08 GMT -8
If he leaves not sure he's going to find another program that gives him as much offensive freedom as he enjoys (enjoyed?) here. He pretty much took whatever shot he wanted, whenever he wanted. And if he goes into the portal it won't be until Monday or after, when spring term starts, so he gets his final term paid for. If he would have entered the portal before the start of spring term his scholarship would have been revoked. Its not the official transfer portal but the 247 portal website shows that Glenn entered the portal 3/29. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 31, 2023 15:29:16 GMT -8
If he leaves not sure he's going to find another program that gives him as much offensive freedom as he enjoys (enjoyed?) here. He pretty much took whatever shot he wanted, whenever he wanted. And if he goes into the portal it won't be until Monday or after, when spring term starts, so he gets his final term paid for. If he would have entered the portal before the start of spring term his scholarship would have been revoked. Is that true? I thought that he got it paid for, as long as he did not sign with another team? |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 31, 2023 16:45:37 GMT -8
Players will come....players will go. Osu has to use the portal to enhance the roster and fill holes that need filled. Players may want to play closer to home or get an NIL deal. Nothing we can do about that. Just need to replace what we lost.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Apr 1, 2023 0:13:32 GMT -8
Luke was offered $300K by Alabama.....according to one of our collectives. Again, the guys getting life changing money are minimal It would help if you could define 'life changing money'. How much is that? From what I can see, John Ruiz at "The U" is offering big money. Oregon State can't compete with that. We need to worry about competing with schools like San Diego State. They're paying each scholarship MBB player $2,000/month thru their NILC. Does anybody know if OSU MBB scholarship players are receiving anything? Supposedly Jarod was given ~$100k for this last season at UNR. Seems kinda sad that a supposed "Power 5" program such as OSU wouldn't be able to match UNR in that regard being just one full season removed from an elite eight appearance. Then again UNR made the tourney this year so maybe that is the case and UNR invest more money into MBB than OSU does (very likely so) and OSU diverts NIL money towards baseball and football (or has little to begin with). Either way don't blame JL for going to a program he felt could win and make the tourney regardless of the money, he helped contribute to the best team in over 40 years at OSU so I have absolutely no ill will against the guy and will always hold him and everyone else on that team in a special place for me in regards to OSU athletics. I just would like to see OSU invest a little more into MBB as it is the only other program that should be turning a profit for the university other than football (for OSU baseball is the weird exception to the rule). |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 1, 2023 7:55:26 GMT -8
It would help if you could define 'life changing money'. How much is that? From what I can see, John Ruiz at "The U" is offering big money. Oregon State can't compete with that. We need to worry about competing with schools like San Diego State. They're paying each scholarship MBB player $2,000/month thru their NILC. Does anybody know if OSU MBB scholarship players are receiving anything? Supposedly Jarod was given ~$100k for this last season at UNR. Seems kinda sad that a supposed "Power 5" program such as OSU wouldn't be able to match UNR in that regard being just one full season removed from an elite eight appearance. Then again UNR made the tourney this year so maybe that is the case and UNR invest more money into MBB than OSU does (very likely so) and OSU diverts NIL money towards baseball and football (or has little to begin with). Either way don't blame JL for going to a program he felt could win and make the tourney regardless of the money, he helped contribute to the best team in over 40 years at OSU so I have absolutely no ill will against the guy and will always hold him and everyone else on that team in a special place for me in regards to OSU athletics. I just would like to see OSU invest a little more into MBB as it is the only other program that should be turning a profit for the university other than football (for OSU baseball is the weird exception to the rule). I’d question that baseball makes any money. I’ve heard the opposite many times. Don’t know how accurate it is, or for what year it was, but the first thing that came up when I googled Oregon State Baseball budget had baseball as the biggest money hole of all of our men’s sports. www.collegefactual.com/colleges/oregon-state-university/student-life/sports/ Could be because of stadium improvements? |
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