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Post by orangeattack on Mar 20, 2023 11:49:50 GMT -8
Obviously it's very early to be projecting how this team is going to shape up and I don't think that the coaching staff 100% has it ironed out.. but what do you guys see for this season?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 20, 2023 12:28:08 GMT -8
Most of our offensive and defensive guys are pretty young, the special teams kids too. Some of the older Pro players might be getting a few wrinkles... I'd rather not get close enough to scrutinize them in either case.
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Post by orangeattack on Mar 20, 2023 12:53:56 GMT -8
COME ON STEVE
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 20, 2023 13:17:11 GMT -8
Couldn't help it... I hear wrinkles and I just go to age these days. Maybe I need a collagen supplement.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 20, 2023 16:11:28 GMT -8
On defense I think it depends on the pass rusher. Bray has mentioned how he wants to get pressure rushing 4 which we haven't had since Ham. If that br ones reality I think the pre-snap movement and blitzes become much more effective.
Offense idk if it's a wrinkle but a QB making effective throws. Hoping whoever wins is throwing hard or with touch as needed while using progressions. Use of the wide open RB in the pass game would be a wrinkle? Past that let's just keep running everyone over!
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Post by obf on Mar 21, 2023 10:30:04 GMT -8
On the offense I am sure we will see more QB running, both scramble drill variety and called plays. We may actually see an RPO where the QB R part actually is tried for once!!! I will also be curious to see if we still employ any wildcat now that Jack has moved on and more than likely our normal QB will be fully capable of converting a 4th and 1 on their own. Perhaps to keep the QB healthier?
Biggest question mark on the whole team is how our WR corps will look, so I am hoping that Gould and Bolden both take a step forward, Veiling or the TE Transfer become mainstays and at least two freshman or returners step up to become contributors.
Defensively, as much as we want more pressure I am guessing we will actually be LESS aggressive with blitzes and such, until we determine if the new defensive backfield can be as effective as last season.
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Post by orangeattack on Mar 21, 2023 15:02:31 GMT -8
On the offense I am sure we will see more QB running, both scramble drill variety and called plays. We may actually see an RPO where the QB R part actually is tried for once!!! I will also be curious to see if we still employ any wildcat now that Jack has moved on and more than likely our normal QB will be fully capable of converting a 4th and 1 on their own. Perhaps to keep the QB healthier? Biggest question mark on the whole team is how our WR corps will look, so I am hoping that Gould and Bolden both take a step forward, Veiling or the TE Transfer become mainstays and at least two freshman or returners step up to become contributors. Defensively, as much as we want more pressure I am guessing we will actually be LESS aggressive with blitzes and such, until we determine if the new defensive backfield can be as effective as last season. This is a good point. I read somewhere that Bray said the defensive backfield was so good on last year's defense that it really opened up a lot for what they could do, chances they could take knowing the secondary would bail them out.
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Post by obf on Mar 22, 2023 8:23:32 GMT -8
On the offense I am sure we will see more QB running, both scramble drill variety and called plays. We may actually see an RPO where the QB R part actually is tried for once!!! I will also be curious to see if we still employ any wildcat now that Jack has moved on and more than likely our normal QB will be fully capable of converting a 4th and 1 on their own. Perhaps to keep the QB healthier? Biggest question mark on the whole team is how our WR corps will look, so I am hoping that Gould and Bolden both take a step forward, Veiling or the TE Transfer become mainstays and at least two freshman or returners step up to become contributors. Defensively, as much as we want more pressure I am guessing we will actually be LESS aggressive with blitzes and such, until we determine if the new defensive backfield can be as effective as last season. This is a good point. I read somewhere that Bray said the defensive backfield was so good on last year's defense that it really opened up a lot for what they could do, chances they could take knowing the secondary would bail them out. And as exciting as sacks are, with what I think will be a very good offense, I think I would rather see a conservative defense, that concentrates on stopping the run and eliminating the big play. With a high scoring offense, a defense that gives up first downs and field goals is a win. A defense that gambles and gives up large chunk plays and touchdowns is more problematic. Of course I suppose you could make the other argument. Who cares if they score quickly or get big chunks, our offense will match, so gamble MORE and ball hawk MORE??? Or probably best of both worlds change it up from defensive series to series.
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Post by bvrbred on Mar 22, 2023 9:27:18 GMT -8
I like number two in most cases if you have a high octane offense..
Bend don't break defense is what you need to slow the game down when you own offense is grind it out. Your hope is your offense is steadier, more reliable, more patient, than the other team's.
Combining a gambling defense with a high octane offense can cause the other team to panic, lose poise, become one dimensional with their offense.
On the other hand, if the other team is used to moving the ball easily and scoring a lot, they can get impatient and frustrated by an effective bend don't break defense. Also their special team play may not be that good if they aren't used to relying on special teams because their offense has been so effective. We saw that in the Civil War last year.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2023 12:47:39 GMT -8
I like number two in most cases if you have a high octane offense.. Bend don't break defense is what you need to slow the game down when you own offense is grind it out. Your hope is your offense is steadier, more reliable, more patient, than the other team's. Combining a gambling defense with a high octane offense can cause the other team to panic, lose poise, become one dimensional with their offense. On the other hand, if the other team is used to moving the ball easily and scoring a lot, they can get impatient and frustrated by an effective bend don't break defense. Also their special team play may not be that good if they aren't used to relying on special teams because their offense has been so effective. We saw that in the Civil War last year. I agree; it seems like aggressive defenses pair up better with high-octane offenses, because they get their offense back on the field and in-rhythm sooner, either via a TO, 3-and out or a score. Allowing the opponent to drive 50 yards in 4-yard chunks, even if no scoring happens, it leads to fewer offensive opportunities and longer sitting times between opportunities. That said, I'm not sure our offense is going to be high-octane enough to go with that approach; it would be the inverse of Riley's approach, who always seemed to believe OSU had a better change when the total possessions of a game were minimized.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Mar 22, 2023 13:35:17 GMT -8
I like number two in most cases if you have a high octane offense.. Bend don't break defense is what you need to slow the game down when you own offense is grind it out. Your hope is your offense is steadier, more reliable, more patient, than the other team's. Combining a gambling defense with a high octane offense can cause the other team to panic, lose poise, become one dimensional with their offense. On the other hand, if the other team is used to moving the ball easily and scoring a lot, they can get impatient and frustrated by an effective bend don't break defense. Also their special team play may not be that good if they aren't used to relying on special teams because their offense has been so effective. We saw that in the Civil War last year. Spot on Man last years D was so bend not break and just when you thought it would break it would man up and get the stop. Y
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 22, 2023 14:06:31 GMT -8
I'm not all that worried about how the defensive backfield will do because I flat out think our Dline is going to be deeper and stronger than we had last year. We lost Sandberg, but we return others who I expect to improve and a couple/few newcomers who just might make some noise early.
A strong Dline immediately makes the backfield that much better. While we lost some important kids this off-season, we've got a fair amount of experience returning and others who will step up.
I'm thinking both the O and the D can/will look improved this year.
I also agree the wildcat might not be much of a thing this season. If Ben wins the starting nod, it still might be there to give others some playing time. Maybe I'm the only one, but I thought the wildcat became a bit less effective as the season went on simply because the other team was ready to see Jack carry the ball 7-8 times out of 10 or thereabouts. He/it was still pretty darned effective when there was a yard or two to go, but 3-4 yard conversions became more dicey.
It got to where I thought the wildcat might have been a bit overused. I think Ben was becoming quite capable of running it himself by year's end. This year, whoever wins the nod, we have possibly 3 QBs that can be a 3rd or 4th and short threat... and we'll have a backup if for some reason the starter goes down.
It could be we don't have that many "new wrinkles", the team just does the "old wrinkles" better.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 22, 2023 15:50:30 GMT -8
Obviously it's very early to be projecting how this team is going to shape up and I don't think that the coaching staff 100% has it ironed out.. but what do you guys see for this season? DJU takes all the Jackhammer plays on O.
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Post by orangeattack on Mar 23, 2023 12:24:44 GMT -8
I'm not all that worried about how the defensive backfield will do because I flat out think our Dline is going to be deeper and stronger than we had last year. We lost Sandberg, but we return others who I expect to improve and a couple/few newcomers who just might make some noise early. A strong Dline immediately makes the backfield that much better. While we lost some important kids this off-season, we've got a fair amount of experience returning and others who will step up. I'm thinking both the O and the D can/will look improved this year. I also agree the wildcat might not be much of a thing this season. If Ben wins the starting nod, it still might be there to give others some playing time. Maybe I'm the only one, but I thought the wildcat became a bit less effective as the season went on simply because the other team was ready to see Jack carry the ball 7-8 times out of 10 or thereabouts. He/it was still pretty darned effective when there was a yard or two to go, but 3-4 yard conversions became more dicey. It got to where I thought the wildcat might have been a bit overused. I think Ben was becoming quite capable of running it himself by year's end. This year, whoever wins the nod, we have possibly 3 QBs that can be a 3rd or 4th and short threat... and we'll have a backup if for some reason the starter goes down. It could be we don't have that many "new wrinkles", the team just does the "old wrinkles" better. It's the back 7 that I have concerns about for next season. Rawls returning gave the DL a big boost, and I think Kelze Howard can replace Sandberg. If Tufaga can step in right away and play well, the linebackers will be solid. But bottom line is that we are replacing 6 starters from what proved to be an excellent defense, I think it's reasonable to expect some fall off in production there. I don't see any spectacular/special talents to be taken advantage of on the defensive side of the ball (ala Jordan Poyer's nickle role or David Pa'aluhi's rush backer role). Zach Card's speed seems like something that Lindgren and Smith might be looking to use, looking at his high school highlights they ran a lot of quick hitches and screens with him. He's got good vision and not just **Blinding Speed**. Would be nice to see some size in the WR corps - Dunmore is going to be the guy there?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 23, 2023 13:53:25 GMT -8
I hope we play spicy defense.
I watched the 2022 CW again yesterday. For the life of me I can't figure out WTF Rod Gilmore was talking about when he repeatedly mentioned "spicy" defense but if that's what we played in the fourth quarter I'm all in favor of it.
Maybe he means we have to have a salty attitude, and play with lots of pepper.
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