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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 13, 2023 19:25:52 GMT -8
Well Forrester had plenty of chances too, only (1) K, but 2/8 isn't what I'd expect from him either. Turley... is a frosh and was overhyped by many on this board. Pac12 play/scouting is going to find and use the holes in his swing against him. Tons of tools, but unless he adjusts in a hurry he'll be overmatched in Pac12 play. His average will prob end up in the .265-285 range depending on his ability to adjust and not lose confidence. But, with 23 K's, 7 out of his 10 Pac12 ABs, MC can't keep him at the top of the lineup for long. Travis... hmmmm, not sure about his mental focus right now. The easy answer is he seems to be pressing to be a team leader by example, vs just letting the game come to him... both at the plate and in the field! With (4) E's already in 51 chances in addition to the baserunning gaffes he just doesn't seem relaxed. Billy Beane and I had a great laugh at your first sentence. Forrester scored the first and fourth runs in the series. He reached in eight of 12 plate appearances. His one strikeout was up 5-1 in the seventh of game one. He hit a line drive that was smoked. The shortstop jumped and caught the ball and threw to second to double off McDowell to end the first in game two. Forrester's third out was a ground ball to short with nobody on and two outs in the third in game two, and Forrester's fourth out was a flyball to right center to start the sixth of game three. Forrester was carrying the team. Not enough hits to drive in Forrester more often. Brady Kasper stranded Forrester in the sixth and then stranded McDowell and Forrester in the eighth. In game three, Forrester broke up the perfect game with a walk in the second, and Kane flew out to third, Guerra struck out looking, and Cedillo flew out to right. Kane then grounded out to third with the bases juiced (McDowell, Turley, and Forrester) in the third. Only one runner between the third and ninth (Dernedde in the fifth), and Bazzana struck out and Turley flew out to left. Forrester started the ninth with an HBP. Kasper brought the winning run to the plate, but Cedillo hit an infield fly, and Talt flew out to left to end the game. The rest of your post is very solid, per usual. Turley looked great against nonconference competition. But it would appear that there is a very obvious reason that he was not drafted higher. We'll see what Mitchy Slick can do with him. Maybe he will heat up. At the Battle of Leipzig (the Battle of the Nations), Corporal Lafontaine was left in charge of the Bridge over the Elster. Corporal Lafontaine appears to have gotten spooked and blew the Bridge early, which caused the loss of at least 30,000 French troops. Napoleon tried to buy time in the face of the Austrians, Prussians, and Russians thereafter but failed. Napoleon abdicated the throne less than six months later after Paris failed. Bazzana gives me a Corporal Lafontaine vibe. He plays so great for the most part, but it seems like, when you need him most, he is going to implode at the worst possible time. My personal working theory is that he is trying to play more experienced than he actually is.  |
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Post by irimi on Mar 13, 2023 20:33:28 GMT -8
We are lacking a firecracker to get the guys going on offense. Donkey is steady and stoic, but we need someone to turn up the amps. Meckler was our guy last year. Everyone knew he'd get on base somehow and get the rally going. I don't know if we aren't playing small ball because it isn't Coach's thing, but I could see clearly how Wazzu kept pressure on us in both Sat and Sun games. Wish we could have had a few more base runners. Our pitching is good. It's still settling in, but it will be good. I like Donkey at 3b or 1b. He plays both positions well. If Turley and Bazzana are so easily shut down, we're going to have a long, miserable season. Great Observation! Travis wants to be that guy. He was very animated in Surprise, however his play wasn't at his normal level or anywhere near where he can be. It was almost like he was trying too hard. So.... who will that guy be? I don't have any good candidates to suggest. With his play it is Micah, but he seems to have a quiet personality. He is very competitive and maybe that will shine through more and more. As of this moment in a long season, Micah is the story of the year to date! I think it will come from Bazzana, but I would be really excited to see it come from Micah. Micah is doing pretty well as the lead off guy. 11 walks to 6 strikeouts. As a side not, Turley has 13 walks but 23 strikeouts. Sure hope Forrester can teach him a thing or two about being patient. |
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Post by babeav on Mar 13, 2023 21:44:53 GMT -8
Travis had family and friends in town from Australia maybe he was a little distracted, his parents are coming for the Cal series so I hope he can settle down.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 14, 2023 6:02:07 GMT -8
To me it just looked like WSU was motivated as hell and their pitching was elite. There is the option that our hitting is terrible but we have hit against some good pitchers this year. Realistically anytime a pitcher can come in multiple days and shut a club down like Wilford and Grillo did it's cause they are good. Giving hitters that many looks at their stuff tends to lead to poor results if you aren't killer.
WSU looks to have struck transfer gold with Kaebler, Wilford and Grillo. Grant looks to have developed into an impressive player as well. Not sure how deep they are past those 4. Their Friday starter was the only other pitcher to do multiple innings and he was decent but certainly a week link. I expect it WSU can keep those guys healthy they will have a bunch of 2-1 series this year but I'm not sure they have a bullpen capable of deep runs in post season. I also think they might be special since they shutdown Forrester and Bazanna who are proven at the plate against the P12s top talent.
We will find out more as the season goes but it still looks like we have a young talented team that is going to learn plenty about sliders and off speed this season.
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Post by messi on Mar 14, 2023 6:50:50 GMT -8
So far, it seems like the teams who have hit the transfer portal hard have given the Beavs the most struggle (New Mexico, Washington State).
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Post by badwack on Mar 14, 2023 7:30:47 GMT -8
I don't think we are going to like the results of the portal free agent plan. Value of a Friday Night Guy or a hitter like Sam Brown. No question these kids will look for Big dollars.
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Post by irimi on Mar 14, 2023 9:57:16 GMT -8
So far, it seems like the teams who have hit the transfer portal hard have given the Beavs the most struggle (New Mexico, Washington State). Which is exactly what we hope pans out on the football side of the equation. Live by the sword; die by the sword. In the end, I think the portal and transfers will highlight good coaching. Having talent and losing talent is part of the equation now. What you do with the talent and how put it all together on the field is all that matters. That's the coaches jobs. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Mar 14, 2023 10:17:49 GMT -8
To me it just looked like WSU was motivated as hell and their pitching was elite. There is the option that our hitting is terrible but we have hit against some good pitchers this year. Realistically anytime a pitcher can come in multiple days and shut a club down like Wilford and Grillo did it's cause they are good. Giving hitters that many looks at their stuff tends to lead to poor results if you aren't killer. WSU looks to have struck transfer gold with Kaebler, Wilford and Grillo. Grant looks to have developed into an impressive player as well. Not sure how deep they are past those 4. Their Friday starter was the only other pitcher to do multiple innings and he was decent but certainly a week link. I expect it WSU can keep those guys healthy they will have a bunch of 2-1 series this year but I'm not sure they have a bullpen capable of deep runs in post season. I also think they might be special since they shutdown Forrester and Bazanna who are proven at the plate against the P12s top talent. We will find out more as the season goes but it still looks like we have a young talented team that is going to learn plenty about sliders and off speed this season. Their pitching stats coming into the weekend suggested they were very good. How they performed vs the Beavs added a lot more credibility to those stats. The filled up the zone, kept our guys guessing, and pitched without fear of anyone in our lineup. A lot can change between now and end of season, but right now the Cougs are looking like a very solid well rounded team capable of taking the rest of their series. |
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Post by ricke71 on Mar 14, 2023 15:17:06 GMT -8
Billy Beane and I had a great laugh at your first sentence. Forrester scored the first and fourth runs in the series. He reached in eight of 12 plate appearances. His one strikeout was up 5-1 in the seventh of game one. He hit a line drive that was smoked. The shortstop jumped and caught the ball and threw to second to double off McDowell to end the first in game two. Forrester's third out was a ground ball to short with nobody on and two outs in the third in game two, and Forrester's fourth out was a flyball to right center to start the sixth of game three. Forrester was carrying the team. Not enough hits to drive in Forrester more often. Brady Kasper stranded Forrester in the sixth and then stranded McDowell and Forrester in the eighth. In game three, Forrester broke up the perfect game with a walk in the second, and Kane flew out to third, Guerra struck out looking, and Cedillo flew out to right. Kane then grounded out to third with the bases juiced (McDowell, Turley, and Forrester) in the third. Only one runner between the third and ninth (Dernedde in the fifth), and Bazzana struck out and Turley flew out to left. Forrester started the ninth with an HBP. Kasper brought the winning run to the plate, but Cedillo hit an infield fly, and Talt flew out to left to end the game. The rest of your post is very solid, per usual. Turley looked great against nonconference competition. But it would appear that there is a very obvious reason that he was not drafted higher. We'll see what Mitchy Slick can do with him. Maybe he will heat up. At the Battle of Leipzig (the Battle of the Nations), Corporal Lafontaine was left in charge of the Bridge over the Elster. Corporal Lafontaine appears to have gotten spooked and blew the Bridge early, which caused the loss of at least 30,000 French troops. Napoleon tried to buy time in the face of the Austrians, Prussians, and Russians thereafter but failed. Napoleon abdicated the throne less than six months later after Paris failed. Bazzana gives me a Corporal Lafontaine vibe. He plays so great for the most part, but it seems like, when you need him most, he is going to implode at the worst possible time. My personal working theory is that he is trying to play more experienced than he actually is. Billy Beane x(2) related to the above:. a.) The General Manager Billy Beane in relation to Forrester's getting on base prowess. b.) Gavin Turley, out of HS, being the bizarro Billy Beane. Billy B. eschewed PAC-12 (Stanford). Had to 'learn to hit' the next level of pitching under the pressure of pro ball, instead of having a 3-4 year college 'grace period'. 10 minor league seasons: 866 SO / 268 BB. Hopefully GT will have it figured out before he leaves the friendly confines of Goss. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 14, 2023 21:43:19 GMT -8
Really was expecting to see something different tonight.
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Post by grackle on Mar 15, 2023 11:20:39 GMT -8
I may be a voice in the wilderness, but I have been and remain less than impressed with the current coaching staff. Most obvious to me is (1) Canham and his staff's seeming inability to recognize a problem and respond in a timely fashion (power batting strategy vs WSU was an obvious disaster, yet that approach never changed); (2) the tendency to fix something that ain't broke (e.g., changing Bazana's bat stroke to hit more power fly balls when Baz' strength is his speed combined with mostly hard-hit ground balls). I could go on.
IMO, Canham often seems to get less from his players than thy are capable of. IMO overall coaching quality has not improved since replacement of the former regime.
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Post by chinmusic on Mar 15, 2023 12:08:51 GMT -8
Clearing up some misconceptions RE: Turley
Turley was not over-hyped on this board. The scouting reports that were written by Baseball America, Perfect Game. Prep Baseball Report, Baseball Factory, etc. were consistent - he had first round grades in fielding, throwing, running and power. He did not have a first round grade in hitting. MLB scouts had concerns with the high % of AB's that resulted in K's, and the number of moving parts in his swing. That was mentioned here several times, primarily on the recruiting board.
The challenge for the Oregon State coaching staff will be the hitting instruction that leads to cutting down the strike outs and the bat to ball skill that leads to a higher BA.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 15, 2023 13:51:25 GMT -8
Clearing up some misconceptions RE: Turley Turley was not over-hyped on this board. The scouting reports that were written by Baseball America, Perfect Game. Prep Baseball Report, Baseball Factory, etc. were consistent - he had first round grades in fielding, throwing, running and power. He did not have a first round grade in hitting. MLB scouts had concerns with the high % of AB's that resulted in K's, and the number of moving parts in his swing. That was mentioned here several times, primarily on the recruiting board. The challenge for the Oregon State coaching staff will be the hitting instruction that leads to cutting down the strike outs and the bat to ball skill that leads to a higher BA. Clearing up a misconception... RE: Turley praise. The copy and pasted reports from so-called experts, many of which base their writeups with little or no personal observations. Or those at select events. However those were not the ONLY posts concerning Turley and the hype involved. Many may have been based on those C&P reports, but their were plenty of other posts hyping this young man far before he saw Pac11 pitching. Their are many posters on this board that state their own opinions besides those that C&P. Nothing wrong with hype, nothing wrong with "over" hyping a player and being excited about their potential. But, it is still hype. |
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Post by chinmusic on Mar 15, 2023 15:53:03 GMT -8
Turley has a lot of promise in the game. Baseball people noticed and have talked about it in glowing terms. That is not unusual. In reading those reports, I think people understand he is a 19 year old freshman that is making thge transition from facing school boys to facing grown men. The jump from prep baseball to Division I is huge. Gavin is going through that experience right now. A few years ago we had a potentially future HOF catcher play here - he hit about .185 his freshman year.
I'm not inclined to dismiss the reporting of the "so called" experts", many are former pro scouts, major leaue players, and even a couple of ex Managers. I think they are pretty good at accurate evauation and it doesn't take them long to identify 'pro-potential" talent. Their word certainly isn't Gospel and we all have our own opinions but when Clint Hurdle or Shooter Hunt say a kid can really play SS, I'm certainly going to listen to that.
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Post by irimi on Mar 15, 2023 20:48:02 GMT -8
Clearing up some misconceptions RE: Turley Turley was not over-hyped on this board. The scouting reports that were written by Baseball America, Perfect Game. Prep Baseball Report, Baseball Factory, etc. were consistent - he had first round grades in fielding, throwing, running and power. He did not have a first round grade in hitting. MLB scouts had concerns with the high % of AB's that resulted in K's, and the number of moving parts in his swing. That was mentioned here several times, primarily on the recruiting board. The challenge for the Oregon State coaching staff will be the hitting instruction that leads to cutting down the strike outs and the bat to ball skill that leads to a higher BA. Clearing up a misconception... RE: Turley praise. The copy and pasted reports from so-called experts, many of which base their writeups with little or no personal observations. Or those at select events. However those were not the ONLY posts concerning Turley and the hype involved. Many may have been based on those C&P reports, but their were plenty of other posts hyping this young man far before he saw Pac11 pitching. Their are many posters on this board that state their own opinions besides those that C&P. Nothing wrong with hype, nothing wrong with "over" hyping a player and being excited about their potential. But, it is still hype. The kid made it onto the team of the school that was his first choice and is placed into the starting lineup immediately. As a freshman. On a team that consistently competes at the highest level. No, he isn’t overhyped. He is working things out. Wait and watch. That’s the best part of this process. We get to see him come out on the other side. |
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