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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 15, 2023 9:36:34 GMT -8
Abundant Texas talent spills into both Stillwater and Lubbock. That's why location is key. For Corvallis? Not so much, plus, the ducks will buy/bribe any local talent from the drop, leaving OSU with the scraps. I'm hoping NIL changes that. Sorry - I disagree. How many former players/ parents of athletes have you spoken to? I recently spoke with the mother of one of our starting FB players, and she loves Corvallis and is happy it is not near a major city. If what you say is true, how are we now landing four and five star players? Why would DJ and others we coming here? Not buying it - just an excuse for poor recruiting and coaching in the past. I disagree with your methodology. Talking with kids and families of kids that have already landed here is a biased sample. Talk with the dozens of 4 and 5 star recruits we recruit every year (I looked up Riley's offers his last year here after someone said he didn't pursue 4 and 5 star recruits- he'd offered over 60 before he left that recruiting cycle) and you'll potentially get a more unbiased view of Oregon State. Jonathan offered 62 four and five start recruits this recruiting cycle, he landed ONE that was a 4 star at the time he was offered, Chiles was a 3 star at the time of offer, probably should be a 5 star. Howard is the first 4 star recruit he's offered that he's landed, out of HUNDREDS in the time he's been here. I literally know people who think the basic McDonald's double cheeseburger is great and eat them all the time. I don't know how many people in general would consider that burger a great burger. Transfers are not "recruits" in that they're not going through the same process they went through in high school. Completely different. They already drank the koolaid once and are now looking for something more substantial. OSU is a great school, Corvallis is a great town, that doesn't mean top recruits are beating the doors down to get here.  |
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Post by beaverology on Mar 15, 2023 9:49:02 GMT -8
I'm 100% OSU. I want to see 4 and 5 star kids commit here from HS to our football and MBB programs. I think the Athletic article by Ari corroborates the fact that we have a problem recruiting top end talent (football and MBB) to Corvallis. Whatever the problems are, I would like to see the collectives DamN and GK commission a study to find out what they are, and fix them. I already donate to both collectives, and I will donate more. Go Beavs!
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 15, 2023 10:35:57 GMT -8
Sorry - I disagree. How many former players/ parents of athletes have you spoken to? I recently spoke with the mother of one of our starting FB players, and she loves Corvallis and is happy it is not near a major city. If what you say is true, how are we now landing four and five star players? Why would DJ and others we coming here? Not buying it - just an excuse for poor recruiting and coaching in the past. I disagree with your methodology. Talking with kids and families of kids that have already landed here is a biased sample. Talk with the dozens of 4 and 5 star recruits we recruit every year (I looked up Riley's offers his last year here after someone said he didn't pursue 4 and 5 star recruits- he'd offered over 60 before he left that recruiting cycle) and you'll potentially get a more unbiased view of Oregon State. Jonathan offered 62 four and five start recruits this recruiting cycle, he landed ONE that was a 4 star at the time he was offered, Chiles was a 3 star at the time of offer, probably should be a 5 star. Howard is the first 4 star recruit he's offered that he's landed, out of HUNDREDS in the time he's been here. I literally know people who think the basic McDonald's double cheeseburger is great and eat them all the time. I don't know how many people in general would consider that burger a great burger. Transfers are not "recruits" in that they're not going through the same process they went through in high school. Completely different. They already drank the koolaid once and are now looking for something more substantial. OSU is a great school, Corvallis is a great town, that doesn't mean top recruits are beating the doors down to get here. Understood on all points. I guess my response would be - are we focusing on selling what we bring to the table, instead of what we are not? I can think of many positives we could/ should be selling regarding Corvallis - I have been in B2B sales most of my adult career, and one of the first things you learn is to play up the strength of your product/ service, and downplay the weaknesses.
I like quality sports movies, and The Express is one of my favorites. Coach Ben Schwartzwalder brought in Jim Brown to recruit Ernie Davis, then Ernie Davis to recruit Floyd Little. Could we use former OSU greats to help recruit? Does that violate recruiting rules? We have several current and former players in the NFL - just an example of playing to our strengths. We won awards for being one of the best college towns in America for a reason.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 15, 2023 10:45:54 GMT -8
I disagree with your methodology. Talking with kids and families of kids that have already landed here is a biased sample. Talk with the dozens of 4 and 5 star recruits we recruit every year (I looked up Riley's offers his last year here after someone said he didn't pursue 4 and 5 star recruits- he'd offered over 60 before he left that recruiting cycle) and you'll potentially get a more unbiased view of Oregon State. Jonathan offered 62 four and five start recruits this recruiting cycle, he landed ONE that was a 4 star at the time he was offered, Chiles was a 3 star at the time of offer, probably should be a 5 star. Howard is the first 4 star recruit he's offered that he's landed, out of HUNDREDS in the time he's been here. I literally know people who think the basic McDonald's double cheeseburger is great and eat them all the time. I don't know how many people in general would consider that burger a great burger. Transfers are not "recruits" in that they're not going through the same process they went through in high school. Completely different. They already drank the koolaid once and are now looking for something more substantial. OSU is a great school, Corvallis is a great town, that doesn't mean top recruits are beating the doors down to get here. Understood on all points. I guess my response would be - are we focusing on selling what we bring to the table, instead of what we are not? I can think of many positives we could/ should be selling regarding Corvallis - I have been in B2B sales most of my adult career, and one of the first things you learn is to play up the strength of your product/ service, and downplay the weaknesses.
I like quality sports movies, and The Express is one of my favorites. Coach Ben Schwartzwalder brought in Jim Brown to recruit Ernie Davis, then Ernie Davis to recruit Floyd Little. Could we use former OSU greats to help recruit? Does that violate recruiting rules? We have several current and former players in the NFL - just an example of playing to our strengths. We won awards for being one of the best college towns in America for a reason.
I agree with you on that stuff, but I cannot imagine the coaches aren't playing to the program's/school's/town's strengths already. They'd have to be the worst recruiters/salespersons in the world not to. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 15, 2023 10:46:05 GMT -8
Cal is reportedly zeroing in on the UCSB coach, Pasternak.
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Post by oldbeav on Mar 29, 2023 13:48:58 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 29, 2023 14:07:17 GMT -8
Utah Valley's head coach. Utah Valley just got bounced in overtime against UAB at Orleans Arena yesterday. Tough couple of losses for Utah Valley. I am not sure his schtick works in a Power Five Conference. We'll see. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2023 17:36:35 GMT -8
We need K State’s coach. Took a s%#tty team and turned them around in a year.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 29, 2023 17:47:29 GMT -8
We need K State’s coach. Took a s%#tty team and turned them around in a year. It seems many on here prefer a coach that wins a 3rd of the league games. I think the k state coach would disappoint those. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 29, 2023 17:54:11 GMT -8
We need K State’s coach. Took a s%#tty team and turned them around in a year. He took a team that went to the elite 8 in 2018 and was conference champ just in 2019 back to the NCAA Tournament for the first time in three whole years - what an accomplishment. They've had ho long drought of Tournament trips. They also outspend OSU on basketball by a million or so a year (at least they did a couple years back). He didn't have to overcome decades of futility (versus 3 years) and lack of support. He could decide to slum it and come here, he might not have the same results he's had at KSU though. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 29, 2023 17:55:57 GMT -8
Sorry - I disagree. How many former players/ parents of athletes have you spoken to? I recently spoke with the mother of one of our starting FB players, and she loves Corvallis and is happy it is not near a major city. If what you say is true, how are we now landing four and five star players? Why would DJ and others we coming here? Not buying it - just an excuse for poor recruiting and coaching in the past. I disagree with your methodology. Talking with kids and families of kids that have already landed here is a biased sample. Talk with the dozens of 4 and 5 star recruits we recruit every year (I looked up Riley's offers his last year here after someone said he didn't pursue 4 and 5 star recruits- he'd offered over 60 before he left that recruiting cycle) and you'll potentially get a more unbiased view of Oregon State. Jonathan offered 62 four and five start recruits this recruiting cycle, he landed ONE that was a 4 star at the time he was offered, Chiles was a 3 star at the time of offer, probably should be a 5 star. Howard is the first 4 star recruit he's offered that he's landed, out of HUNDREDS in the time he's been here. I literally know people who think the basic McDonald's double cheeseburger is great and eat them all the time. I don't know how many people in general would consider that burger a great burger. Transfers are not "recruits" in that they're not going through the same process they went through in high school. Completely different. They already drank the koolaid once and are now looking for something more substantial. OSU is a great school, Corvallis is a great town, that doesn't mean top recruits are beating the doors down to get here. Ugh. Why did you have to include that photo? The description was distasteful enough. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 29, 2023 19:06:08 GMT -8
We need K State’s coach. Took a s%#tty team and turned them around in a year. He took a team that went to the elite 8 in 2018 and was conference champ just in 2019 back to the NCAA Tournament for the first time in three whole years - what an accomplishment. They've had ho long drought of Tournament trips. They also outspend OSU on basketball by a million or so a year (at least they did a couple years back). He didn't have to overcome decades of futility (versus 3 years) and lack of support. He could decide to slum it and come here, he might not have the same results he's had at KSU though. Kinda the opposite of taking an E8 team to 14 total wins the next two seasons?! |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 29, 2023 23:32:47 GMT -8
Still, KSU was only 3 seasons removed fron 50 wins in 2 seasons and 71 wins in 3. To match that at OSU you'd have to go back to the '78-81 seasons. The poster I responded to said KSU was a lousy team... that's not their history.
The last year I can find both school's recruiting budgets for had KSU spending more than double on recruiting than OSU spent. My guess is that's probably still the case...year after year that adds up.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 30, 2023 13:17:53 GMT -8
Still, KSU was only 3 seasons removed fron 50 wins in 2 seasons and 71 wins in 3. To match that at OSU you'd have to go back to the '78-81 seasons. The poster I responded to said KSU was a lousy team... that's not their history. The last year I can find both school's recruiting budgets for had KSU spending more than double on recruiting than OSU spent. My guess is that's probably still the case...year after year that adds up. From everything that I have seen, Kansas State boosters pump much more money back into the program than Oregon State's. Someone tried to compare Kansas State and Oregon State football to one another once, and there is just no comparison. Kansas State athletics is swimming in money compared to Oregon State. Not a bad college town either. |
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Post by chinmusic on Mar 30, 2023 15:34:16 GMT -8
Cal hired Mark Madsen, former Stanford player and successful at Utah Valley.
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