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Post by sparty on Mar 5, 2023 6:34:45 GMT -8
This Toejam writer thinks differently.
Sounds like it is just kicking the can down the road with delaying the inevitable to get from the pac-12's 30 million per school to about 90 million in Big 10 for Ucks and Fuskies.
"The issue with Oregon and Washington and the Pac-12's future is that the long-term path appears fraught," Thamel went on to write. "If there's a decent deal available to the Pac-12 in the upcoming weeks and if Oregon and Washington want to sign a grant of rights to be part of that deal, it will be a short-term deal...This means in another three years, the same issues of whether the Big Ten has the appetite to consume them will remain."
Unequal revenue sharing has been brought up in the past to try and appease Oregon and Washington. While that of course would help the two schools, there most likely won't be enough money available to make it worthwhile even if the smaller schools in the Pac-12 agree to it."
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 5, 2023 7:42:06 GMT -8
The LA schools are looking for someone to share the pain when their football teams go 7-5 and draw 20k for home games against Maryland and Rutgers, and when their other teams get tired of traveling halfway (or all the way) across the country and back every other week.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 5, 2023 8:05:29 GMT -8
The LA schools are looking for someone to share the pain when their football teams go 7-5 and draw 20k for home games against Maryland and Rutgers, and when their other teams get tired of traveling halfway (or all the way) across the country and back every other week. Skrimshander hits the nail square on the head. UCLA and USC are looking for someone to bail them out from a decision that makes about zero sense. If two other clowns hop in the car, it becomes that much less moronic. |
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Post by beavheart on Mar 5, 2023 8:22:28 GMT -8
Why in the world would we ever agree to give Oregon a larger piece of the Pac12 media revenue. To appease them??? Them and their totally contrived and manufactured "greatness"?
They can go to the Big10!!! Or anywhere, really. See ya.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 5, 2023 8:31:03 GMT -8
Why in the world would we ever agree to give Oregon a larger piece of the Pac12 media revenue. To appease them??? Them and their totally contrived and manufactured "greatness"? They can go to the Big10!!! Or anywhere, really. See ya. Pride goeth before a fall. It's thinking like that that lost us UCLA and USC. Oregon State can make more by agreeing to a smaller percentage of the whole, if it gets certain teams to stay. Sometimes wildly intelligent people, like say most University Presidents, have the collective economic sense of a petulant six-year-old. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 5, 2023 8:43:02 GMT -8
Why in the world would we ever agree to give Oregon a larger piece of the Pac12 media revenue. To appease them??? Them and their totally contrived and manufactured "greatness"? They can go to the Big10!!! Or anywhere, really. See ya. Some thought Texas shouldn't have received more than their share too. That made no sense at the time and see where we are today. Like it or not the ducks are a bigger draw than us. |
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Post by beavheart on Mar 5, 2023 9:20:57 GMT -8
Why in the world would we ever agree to give Oregon a larger piece of the Pac12 media revenue. To appease them??? Them and their totally contrived and manufactured "greatness"? They can go to the Big10!!! Or anywhere, really. See ya. Pride goeth before a fall. It's thinking like that that lost us UCLA and USC. Oregon State can make more by agreeing to a smaller percentage of the whole, if it gets certain teams to stay. Sometimes wildly intelligent people, like say most University Presidents, have the collective economic sense of a petulant six-year-old. I'll go ahead and push back on this a little. Who's pride is getting in the way, and who is losing who exactly? IF USC hadn't blocked the Pac12 from expanding when we wanted to we probably aren't in this position as a conference. Their own stupid, blind pride is the reason they ultimately "needed" to bolt. I know it's difficult, but everyone should try to look past the $$$ for a moment. I agree with one thing. I don't think a lot of wisdom is going into these decisions, and I don't think the long term ramifications of these new conference alignments are going to pan out like many think they will. Obviously they aren't, because now the Big10 is starting to scramble to back-fill their ill advised decision to add 2 LA schools, and no one else. What happens to Oregon when they go to the Big10, probably for a reduced amount of the revenue since they are a net drain (that's how it works, right?), and they start losing, badly? And the travel starts to wear on the program. And then the Big10 starts to fully wrap their heads around how false Oregon's "brand" is and that they share the same small market that OSU does. And meanwhile the "lesser" in state program is enjoying unprecedented success because of an easier path to post season in all sports. What happens then? I'm just not sure I will ever agree that giving an already bloated, and spoiled rotten program more money is going to solve anything. What is the point of having any sports at all if we are just going to concede any and all notions of a level playing field? If we are there, we should just consider going club-level in all sports and just play for the fun of it. Otherwise, we are starting from behind in the arms race, and just tied our own hands behind our backs on top of it. The end result in that equation is basically guaranteed, and will not be good for OSU no matter how you slice it. |
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Post by beavheart on Mar 5, 2023 9:34:12 GMT -8
Why in the world would we ever agree to give Oregon a larger piece of the Pac12 media revenue. To appease them??? Them and their totally contrived and manufactured "greatness"? They can go to the Big10!!! Or anywhere, really. See ya. Some thought Texas shouldn't have received more than their share too. That made no sense at the time and see where we are today. Like it or not the ducks are a bigger draw than us. I'm really curious to see how things go for Texas and Oklahoma once they are just another program in the SEC. Will the money be worth being an also ran? How long do they sustain their "big-time brand" status is they start losing a bunch of games, year after year? What do you suppose will happen to Oregon and Washington if they bolt to the Big10? Just about every one of their conference foes will have a significant homefield advantage as the ducks have to trek long distances and play in frigid weather for every one of their road games. Meanwhile, the rest of the conference only makes a trip like that once or twice a season, and it's to a much milder climate. Would it surprise anyone if UO and UW programs crashed and burned in that scenario? Hope they enjoy their participation prize $. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 5, 2023 9:55:42 GMT -8
Some thought Texas shouldn't have received more than their share too. That made no sense at the time and see where we are today. Like it or not the ducks are a bigger draw than us. I'm really curious to see how things go for Texas and Oklahoma once they are just another program in the SEC. Will the money be worth being an also ran? How long do they sustain their "big-time brand" status is they start losing a bunch of games, year after year? What do you suppose will happen to Oregon and Washington if they bolt to the Big10? Just about every one of their conference foes will have a significant homefield advantage as the ducks have to trek long distances and play in frigid weather for every one of their road games. Meanwhile, the rest of the conference only makes a trip like that once or twice a season, and it's to a much milder climate. Would it surprise anyone if UO and UW programs crashed and burned in that scenario? Hope they enjoy their participation prize $. Yep. I wonder how Missouri, and even Texas A&M feel about it. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 5, 2023 10:04:49 GMT -8
The thing I keep coming back to, the easiest path to a playoff berth is now through the Pac 12, not the Big 10.
If the ducks join the Big 10 and routinely finish 3rd to 7th, or lower, do they continue to get Phil's investments? That could make up for a big chunk of the difference in money coming in.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Mar 5, 2023 10:07:45 GMT -8
Some thought Texas shouldn't have received more than their share too. That made no sense at the time and see where we are today. Like it or not the ducks are a bigger draw than us. I'm really curious to see how things go for Texas and Oklahoma once they are just another program in the SEC. Will the money be worth being an also ran? How long do they sustain their "big-time brand" status is they start losing a bunch of games, year after year? What do you suppose will happen to Oregon and Washington if they bolt to the Big10? Just about every one of their conference foes will have a significant homefield advantage as the ducks have to trek long distances and play in frigid weather for every one of their road games. Meanwhile, the rest of the conference only makes a trip like that once or twice a season, and it's to a much milder climate. Would it surprise anyone if UO and UW programs crashed and burned in that scenario? Hope they enjoy their participation prize $. Oregon and Washington would be fine in the Big 10...its a top heavy conference with the best teams in the east. Oregon or UW would have won the west this year and then we'd hear Beaver fans complaining about how easy their schedule was. Also...if hole and UW play in Big 10, 3 of their conference games will be on the west coast. Which means they are only traveling to Big 10 country 3 or 4 times. And that literally could be against Indiana, Rutgers, and Nebraska. Oregon recruits better than most Big 10 teams...they would do about as well there as they do in Pac 10. The SEC thing is interesting, because they are considering going to nine games and balances scheduling (best teams play best teams and vice versa). Let's just say Nick Saban is not a fan, even though he does want a 9 game conference schedule. Texas and Oklahoma will do what they do. Texas has sucked for years..that is a culture issue a bit like USC. I don't think either will become the next Georgia or Alabama...but with right coaching...they certainly could. |
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Post by beavheart on Mar 5, 2023 10:32:26 GMT -8
I'm really curious to see how things go for Texas and Oklahoma once they are just another program in the SEC. Will the money be worth being an also ran? How long do they sustain their "big-time brand" status is they start losing a bunch of games, year after year? What do you suppose will happen to Oregon and Washington if they bolt to the Big10? Just about every one of their conference foes will have a significant homefield advantage as the ducks have to trek long distances and play in frigid weather for every one of their road games. Meanwhile, the rest of the conference only makes a trip like that once or twice a season, and it's to a much milder climate. Would it surprise anyone if UO and UW programs crashed and burned in that scenario? Hope they enjoy their participation prize $. Oregon and Washington would be fine in the Big 10...its a top heavy conference with the best teams in the east. Oregon or UW would have won the west this year and then we'd hear Beaver fans complaining about how easy their schedule was. Also...if hole and UW play in Big 10, 3 of their conference games will be on the west coast. Which means they are only traveling to Big 10 country 3 or 4 times. And that literally could be against Indiana, Rutgers, and Nebraska. Oregon recruits better than most Big 10 teams...they would do about as well there as they do in Pac 10. The SEC thing is interesting, because they are considering going to nine games and balances scheduling (best teams play best teams and vice versa). Let's just say Nick Saban is not a fan, even though he does want a 9 game conference schedule. Texas and Oklahoma will do what they do. Texas has sucked for years..that is a culture issue a bit like USC. I don't think either will become the next Georgia or Alabama...but with right coaching...they certainly could. You could be right. I just have my doubts. I can easily imagine things going very differently for the ucks and huskies. Texas probably does have staying power, much like USC, just because of their locations. Oklahoma, not so much. Oklahoma as a state is no more desirable, populated, or otherwise a better metric in all of this than say, Missouri. Or Oregon for that matter. I'm not convinced that the Sooners are guaranteed to remain relevant. They could be the next Nebraska. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 5, 2023 10:36:27 GMT -8
I'm really curious to see how things go for Texas and Oklahoma once they are just another program in the SEC. Will the money be worth being an also ran? How long do they sustain their "big-time brand" status is they start losing a bunch of games, year after year? What do you suppose will happen to Oregon and Washington if they bolt to the Big10? Just about every one of their conference foes will have a significant homefield advantage as the ducks have to trek long distances and play in frigid weather for every one of their road games. Meanwhile, the rest of the conference only makes a trip like that once or twice a season, and it's to a much milder climate. Would it surprise anyone if UO and UW programs crashed and burned in that scenario? Hope they enjoy their participation prize $. Yep. I wonder how Missouri, and even Texas A&M feel about it. They have made more money. Their football programs have not prospered on the field. They have combined for ONE major bowl bid since joining the league in 2012. Except for the 2020 Covid season, and the 2012 season when it was playing with Big 12 recruits, A&M has lost four games in every season since joining the SEC. Missouri had good seasons in 2013 and 2014, with Big 12 recruits as its upperclassmen. It has not lost fewer than five games since and has losing or .500 records in 6 of its 8 seasons since 2014. |
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Post by damnstraight on Mar 5, 2023 10:40:38 GMT -8
When USC and UCLA officially become BIG members, should OSU, or any PAC-10 teams agree to play them in non-conference games, in football and basketball, in all sports?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 5, 2023 10:42:45 GMT -8
When USC and UCLA officially become BIG members, should OSU, or any PAC-10 teams agree to play them in non-conference games, in football and basketball, in all sports? Nope. Freeze them out. |
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