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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 23, 2023 22:40:28 GMT -8
I think Tres had a great offensive mind. He could do a lot with the ball and find ways to score. But I think both ET and GPII had a better ability to command the floor, like a good quarterback, finding the open guys and supporting the entire team. Both had more career assists than Tres. You could put GPII on any of the Tinkle-coached teams and see an immediate improvement. He had an ability to find the open guy and an ability to go to the basket. Even if its a team with strong offense, well, GPII brings his defensive skills. He was a strong rebounder and played hard defense. He was the full package and this is what keeps him in the NBA. I agree with your second paragraph. The delta in assists does not overcome the delta in points scored, though. Tres scored. He scored baskets, he made threes, and he got to the line and converted his chances. Your goal on offense is turning possessions into the most points possible, and Tres did it. Oregon State's all-time points scorer. Tres was the best offensive player in the last 25 years. He may not be better in all aspects, but you would not expect him to be. |
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Post by babeav on Feb 24, 2023 9:07:07 GMT -8
Tres trying to dribble in traffic was comical….a total turnover machine…. Please define "turnover machine." Fun fact: Gary Payton I is the all-time leader in turnovers at Oregon State. In fact, he is tied for fourth place with himself in generating the most turnovers in a season. In order to create, you have to risk turning the ball over. Tres is not in the top 10 all-time in turnovers and is not in the top 10 all-time in turnover percentage at Oregon State. If Tres is a turnover machine, he is one of several. Tres trying to dribble into a packed key, trying to dribble through a double team were hilarious to watch, our section would know what was coming when his attacking dribble would get swatted away leading to points at the other end. I personally liked Tres as a player but not so much when he was handling the ball. Remember he basically missed one season, less opportunities to turn it over. |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 24, 2023 9:22:54 GMT -8
Please define "turnover machine." Fun fact: Gary Payton I is the all-time leader in turnovers at Oregon State. In fact, he is tied for fourth place with himself in generating the most turnovers in a season. In order to create, you have to risk turning the ball over. Tres is not in the top 10 all-time in turnovers and is not in the top 10 all-time in turnover percentage at Oregon State. If Tres is a turnover machine, he is one of several. Tres trying to dribble into a packed key, trying to dribble through a double team were hilarious to watch, our section would know what was coming when his attacking dribble would get swatted away leading to points at the other end. I personally liked Tres as a player but not so much when he was handling the ball. Remember he basically missed one season, less opportunities to turn it over. He did not miss a season. He was granted an additional season due to injury. He played in 126 games (7th in school history) and is 3rd all time in minutes played (behind Payton and Ethan Thompson). He had more opportunity to turn the ball over than almost anyone in school history. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 24, 2023 10:09:17 GMT -8
Please define "turnover machine." Fun fact: Gary Payton I is the all-time leader in turnovers at Oregon State. In fact, he is tied for fourth place with himself in generating the most turnovers in a season. In order to create, you have to risk turning the ball over. Tres is not in the top 10 all-time in turnovers and is not in the top 10 all-time in turnover percentage at Oregon State. If Tres is a turnover machine, he is one of several. Tres trying to dribble into a packed key, trying to dribble through a double team were hilarious to watch, our section would know what was coming when his attacking dribble would get swatted away leading to points at the other end. I personally liked Tres as a player but not so much when he was handling the ball. Remember he basically missed one season, less opportunities to turn it over. Yeah, the season he only played six games we went 5-27. We were 3-23 without Tres. Not having him was sure a bonus, huh? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 24, 2023 10:54:56 GMT -8
Please define "turnover machine." Fun fact: Gary Payton I is the all-time leader in turnovers at Oregon State. In fact, he is tied for fourth place with himself in generating the most turnovers in a season. In order to create, you have to risk turning the ball over. Tres is not in the top 10 all-time in turnovers and is not in the top 10 all-time in turnover percentage at Oregon State. If Tres is a turnover machine, he is one of several. Tres trying to dribble into a packed key, trying to dribble through a double team were hilarious to watch, our section would know what was coming when his attacking dribble would get swatted away leading to points at the other end. I personally liked Tres as a player but not so much when he was handling the ball. Remember he basically missed one season, less opportunities to turn it over. I think we're both dealing with going off of memory and your memories seem to be quite different than mine. Now Eubanks had trouble handling the ball down near the key, Tres not so much. If' you'd bother to by look up the actual stats by Gary, Ethan and Tres on sports-reference and bother to scroll down the page (they give stats by 100 team possessions and under the advanced stats chart by 100 plays the player was involved in) you'd find with turnover percentages Ethan had the highest turnover rate and Gary and Tres were roughly 3 fewer turnovers per 100 plays and real close to each other. Gary and Ethan had higher assist rates than Tres, but his his numbers weren't bad, and he wasn't a point guard, he basically played the 3 and 4 spots a significant portion of the time he was here. Tres also had the highest free throw attempt rate, he drew the more fouls per possession, Ethan was close behind because he did actually drive a bunch, and Gary lagged by quite a bit. Tres was a good ball handler for his position, and he was in general not sitting out top all game long, he was actually underneath in traffic more than not and still didn't have higher turnover rates per play involvement than the other two. They all were good players, but Tres did not play point guard yet still had reasonably comparable ball handling stats, they had different roles. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 24, 2023 13:03:08 GMT -8
I feel like Tres had the best "career" but the question was who was the best "player" and when you factor in defense, its definitely GP2. Plus he had very good stats overall besides being the conference def player of the year both of his years: 14.7 pts 7.7 rebounds and 4.1 assists
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Post by nabeav on Feb 24, 2023 13:07:02 GMT -8
If GPII had played 4 years here, he'd be my vote, but since the question was "Greatest OSU basketball player" and not "greatest basketball player," I gotta give it to the guy who was consistently great across his entire 5 years at OSU.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 24, 2023 13:40:42 GMT -8
If GPII had played 4 years here, he'd be my vote, but since the question was "Greatest OSU basketball player" and not "greatest basketball player," I gotta give it to the guy who was consistently great across his entire 5 years at OSU. I would say, if he had played 4 years and developed his outside shot. That's what kept him out the NBA initially. I would compare Lamar Hurd and GPII in that regard. They both did everything else very well, but the outside shot was missing. GPII was a better defender than Lamar, but Lamar was a better passer. Lamar also got injured, but both could have made it initially in the NBA if they were better shooters. GPII found a way to finally stick. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 24, 2023 14:40:21 GMT -8
Loved how GP2 could dunk in traffic so well, even in a half court set. Maybe the best we've ever had in that aspect.
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Post by seastape on Feb 24, 2023 16:17:56 GMT -8
I feel like Tres had the best "career" but the question was who was the best "player" and when you factor in defense, its definitely GP2. Plus he had very good stats overall besides being the conference def player of the year both of his years: 14.7 pts 7.7 rebounds and 4.1 assists I was always a fan of GP II's rebounding numbers. Some positions don't make one think of players in that position as contributing much in certain statistical categories. It's unusual to find 4s and 5s with high assist numbers and guards to have high rebound numbers. It makes me appreciate a good passing center or a good rebounding guard all the more. And that was GP II, whose rebounding numbers were as good or better than even a lot of starting college 4s. Combine that with his great defense and it adds up to a great player for OSU. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 24, 2023 16:27:06 GMT -8
I went with Tres. His committment and solid play for a long time sold me. Sue me
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Post by seastape on Feb 24, 2023 16:46:24 GMT -8
I went with Tres. His committment and solid play for a long time sold me. Sue me You'll be receiving our legal complaint soon. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 24, 2023 18:45:37 GMT -8
I went with Tres. His committment and solid play for a long time sold me. Sue me You'll be receiving our legal complaint soon. Frickin lawyers…you and Wilky 😆 |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 24, 2023 18:49:04 GMT -8
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Post by pabeaver on Feb 24, 2023 19:19:47 GMT -8
Loved how GP2 could dunk in traffic so well, even in a half court set. Maybe the best we've ever had in that aspect. Our best dunker in traffic in a half court set was definitely Corey Benjamin. Jumped OVER a Stanford player on the baseline for a monster jam, among many others. I mean, he has “Jamin” in his name. Love GPII and he had some memorable, high flying dunks, but Corey was better Side note - JB Bickerstaff was our best rebound dunker, but I’d put GPII over him in the overall dunking category. |
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