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Post by mallardhunter on Feb 9, 2023 8:19:21 GMT -8
GOAT or no?
I say no. Great player, top 3 all time.
I don't think he gets close in the old NBA where defense was brutal. Granted he can only play under the rules of his own time but he doesn't seem to like any contact so the 80s/90s would've been rough for him.
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 9, 2023 11:44:02 GMT -8
Depends on how you judge. Titles? All around game? Did they change the game for you? Wilt Chamberlain imo was the best of all time. Didn't have the most titles,because Boston had a better team,but he was the most dominant player of all time. Still holds 72 NBA records and 68 by himself. After being a dominant scorer and rebounder through his career,he chose to stop scoring and led the league in assists. Led the Lakers to a 33 game winning streak in the early 1970's. They say he could have still played in the NBA and dominated in his mid to late 40's. 6-6 high jumper. He played against NBA players at Ucla at that age and dominated. Scored over 65 15 times. 23 rebounds a game for his career. He would be the Goat imo.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 9, 2023 12:38:49 GMT -8
GOAT or no? I say no. Great player, top 3 all time. I don't think he gets close in the old NBA where defense was brutal. Granted he can only play under the rules of his own time but he doesn't seem to like any contact so the 80s/90s would've been rough for him. Michael Jordan played three years at North Carolina and retired in 1998 as a 35 year old. LeBron James is 38 now and has basically has had six extra seasons on MJ. Honestly, MJ played better as a 35-year-old than LeBron played at 30. The idea that LeBron is any way comparable to MJ in a GOAT conversation is frankly laughable. Probably a top five or so all-time, but I think that there is a better argument that Nikola Jokić is the GOAT rather than LeBron James. 19 triple doubles before Valentine's Day? Ridiculous! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 9, 2023 12:54:19 GMT -8
For many? Yes. For me no. I’ll take Michael Jordan or Wilt the Stilt. Wilt was miffed they criticized him for not passing enough so the next year he led, or was close to leading the league in assists. Jordan left the game for what, 5 years? Didn’t take nights off. Plus he’s just a cooler dude.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 9, 2023 17:58:43 GMT -8
GOAT or no? I say no. Great player, top 3 all time. I don't think he gets close in the old NBA where defense was brutal. Granted he can only play under the rules of his own time but he doesn't seem to like any contact so the 80s/90s would've been rough for him. Michael Jordan played three years at North Carolina and retired in 1998 as a 35 year old. LeBron James is 38 now and has basically has had six extra seasons on MJ. Honestly, MJ played better as a 35-year-old than LeBron played at 30. The idea that LeBron is any way comparable to MJ in a GOAT conversation is frankly laughable. Probably a top five or so all-time, but I think that there is a better argument that Nikola Jokić is the GOAT rather than LeBron James. 19 triple doubles before Valentine's Day? Ridiculous! You said the comparison was laughable and then put forth Jokic? You do realize Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for a whole season. And that was before the 3 pt shot and the no hand checking rule. The GOAT argument is stupid in any sport. The rules, number of games played, etc. change over time. There are probably 8-10 guys in the argument. It depends on the metrics you are using and when they played. To say it’s just between Jordan or Lebron is very shortsighted. Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Bird, Oscar, Elgin, Magic, etc…should all be considered in the conversation. There’s not just one. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 9, 2023 20:55:53 GMT -8
Like Smails said, Oscar Robertson has to be included in the list of greatest college and pro players. It's criminal how he's almost forgotten about these days, mostly because he spent the majority of his career with the God-awful Cincinnati Royals.
He averaged a triple-double in 1961-62 and came within an assist or a rebound of averaging a triple-double in 1960-61, 1962-63, 1963-64 and 1964-65. He did average a triple-double for the first five years of his career and had 135 triple-double games over that span.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 9, 2023 22:12:21 GMT -8
Saigon fell after Gene Cernan stepped off the Moon, which occurred after the Cincinnati Royals moved to Kansas City. And none of those were within five years of my birth.
I can talk meaningfully about British Honduras, cell phones the size of small briefcases, Chernobyl, leaded gasoline, phone cords, and red pistachios. But I can't discuss Oscar Robertson, because he played before all of those stopped being a thing.
I am not going to be sucked down into this hole. Jordan is the greatest of my lifetime. Past that, argue away.
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Post by seastape on Feb 10, 2023 16:25:54 GMT -8
Michael Jordan played three years at North Carolina and retired in 1998 as a 35 year old. LeBron James is 38 now and has basically has had six extra seasons on MJ. Honestly, MJ played better as a 35-year-old than LeBron played at 30. The idea that LeBron is any way comparable to MJ in a GOAT conversation is frankly laughable. Probably a top five or so all-time, but I think that there is a better argument that Nikola Jokić is the GOAT rather than LeBron James. 19 triple doubles before Valentine's Day? Ridiculous! You said the comparison was laughable and then put forth Jokic? You do realize Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for a whole season. And that was before the 3 pt shot and the no hand checking rule. The GOAT argument is stupid in any sport. The rules, number of games played, etc. change over time. There are probably 8-10 guys in the argument. It depends on the metrics you are using and when they played. To say it’s just between Jordan or Lebron is very shortsighted. Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Bird, Oscar, Elgin, Magic, etc…should all be considered in the conversation. There’s not just one. Definitely would add Magic in the conversation. In his era, he could have played every position on the floor. |
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