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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 8, 2023 11:08:35 GMT -8
I agree that SCHEME has very little to do with it. The talent gap has much more to do with it. However, ISN’T it one of WT’s responsibilities to CONVINCE talented kids to come and STAY in Corvallis? Maybe it isn’t possible, here. I honestly don’t know. What IF coach K were to un-retire, and desired to coach again? Would HE (or someone like him) have the recruiting success NECESSARY for OSU to thrive today? If so, then it’s a matter of $$$$$. If someone like that FAILED to sign blue chips here, then “Mayberry” may be the problem.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 8, 2023 11:23:09 GMT -8
I agree that SCHEME has very little to do with it. The talent gap has much more to do with it. However, ISN’T it one of WT’s responsibilities to CONVINCE talented kids to come and STAY in Corvallis? Maybe it isn’t possible, here. I honestly don’t know. What IF coach K were to un-retire, and desired to coach again? Would HE (or someone like him) have the recruiting success NECESSARY for OSU to thrive today? If so, then it’s a matter of $$$$$. If someone like that FAILED to sign blue chips here, then “Mayberry” may be the problem. The big question is, is "STAY" really a thing at this level anymore? I hope it is, but between the NBA taking kids after 1 year of college, the transfer portal and NIL, the landscape has changed in college basketball the last several years. Retention of athletes has a lot of factors and coaches have a lot more to navigate than they did not all that long ago. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 8, 2023 13:27:54 GMT -8
What's holding back WT and OSU in MBB is a TALENT ISSUE. Give WT 4 and 5 star kids and I think he'd do much better. Coaching and offensive scheme isn't holding the Beavs back. You don’t say… |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 8, 2023 13:44:44 GMT -8
What's holding back WT and OSU in MBB is a TALENT ISSUE. Give WT 4 and 5 star kids and I think he'd do much better. Coaching and offensive scheme isn't holding the Beavs back. You don’t say… The last 33 years of MBB recruiting. Add it all together and OSU and WSU are at the bottom of the Pac10/12. Why don't you tell us why. Let me guess....Wayne Tinkle? No, here's a better one: The last 6 OSU head coaches were bad recruiters...that's what it's gotta be. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 8, 2023 14:21:55 GMT -8
What was wrong w the talent level CR brought in?
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 8, 2023 14:53:23 GMT -8
What was wrong w the talent level CR brought in? CR was a little better recruiter than WT, but I think WT is a slightly better coach. The problem with CR's recruiting is that after the first couple of years, he abandoned recruiting anyone that played D. I thought he would have fared better if he stuck with a more disciplined defensive system like he ran in his first couple of years and maybe if he also stuck with the Princeton offense. Instead he started recruiting people like Roberto Nelson, who could score, but had no clue on the defensive end. CR also let us players up the tempo and that showed that while he was getting better athletes, they still weren't up to snuff with athletes that other teams in the conference were getting. |
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Post by green85 on Feb 8, 2023 16:02:26 GMT -8
I agree that SCHEME has very little to do with it. The talent gap has much more to do with it. However, ISN’T it one of WT’s responsibilities to CONVINCE talented kids to come and STAY in Corvallis? Maybe it isn’t possible, here. I honestly don’t know. What IF coach K were to un-retire, and desired to coach again? Would HE (or someone like him) have the recruiting success NECESSARY for OSU to thrive today? If so, then it’s a matter of $$$$$. If someone like that FAILED to sign blue chips here, then “Mayberry” may be the problem. The big question is, is "STAY" really a thing at this level anymore? I hope it is, but between the NBA taking kids after 1 year of college, the transfer portal and NIL, the landscape has changed in college basketball the last several years. Retention of athletes has a lot of factors and coaches have a lot more to navigate than they did not all that long ago. For basketball programs not named Arizona, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. the are only two ways to compete in D1 Basketball in my opinion: 1. Meld a team of transfers and JC players and 3-star recruits into a an excellent executing team that stays together for more than one season OR 2. Recruit kids that love the game and want to play for 3 or 4 years at one school (to get a degree) that can be molded into a competitive group every two or 3 years. Both of those options require certain coaching talent (both head coach and assistants) that are in place for 4 or 5 years minimum. Betting the house on getting 2 or 3 GREAT players (5-star / 4-star / high rated transfer / high rated JC) for a run for a couple of years is a poor bet for most college programs (and coaches). Basketball programs can turn around fast with the right mix of kids. I agree that retention is a key part of building a successful program for more than 300 D1 programs today. BTW, I think Wayne Tinkle is a good coach. But sometimes change is needed in a program even with a good coach in place. |
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 8, 2023 16:24:18 GMT -8
The big question is, is "STAY" really a thing at this level anymore? I hope it is, but between the NBA taking kids after 1 year of college, the transfer portal and NIL, the landscape has changed in college basketball the last several years. Retention of athletes has a lot of factors and coaches have a lot more to navigate than they did not all that long ago. For basketball programs not named Arizona, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. the are only two ways to compete in D1 Basketball in my opinion: 1. Meld a team of transfers and JC players and 3-star recruits into a an excellent executing team that stays together for more than one season OR 2. Recruit kids that love the game and want to play for 3 or 4 years at one school (to get a degree) that can be molded into a competitive group every two or 3 years. Both of those options require certain coaching talent (both head coach and assistants) that are in place for 4 or 5 years minimum. Betting the house on getting 2 or 3 GREAT players (5-star / 4-star / high rated transfer / high rated JC) for a run for a couple of years is a poor bet for most college programs (and coaches). Basketball programs can turn around fast with the right mix of kids. I agree that retention is a key part of building a successful program for more than 300 D1 programs today. BTW, I think Wayne Tinkle is a good coach. But sometimes change is needed in a program even with a good coach in place. Personally,I would like the NBA to let high school Kids directly into the league. Then,we can eliminate the kids who are only in college for their own selfish reasons, To show their wares to sell themselves for the league. Next,I would like to see some form of reigning in of NIL. Not just the blatant paying of kids to go to college X,Y, or Z. Too,I would like to see some way to slow down the exodus of players through the portal. How they do that,I have no idea. Coaching at the college level has become a nightmare with NIL and the portal. I want some balance between allowing players to profit from their names,and some continuity at major colleges. I'm full of hopes...not so many answers as to how to accomplish it. Lol |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 8, 2023 19:12:47 GMT -8
The last 33 years of MBB recruiting. Add it all together and OSU and WSU are at the bottom of the Pac10/12. Why don't you tell us why. Let me guess....Wayne Tinkle? No, here's a better one: The last 6 OSU head coaches were bad recruiters...that's what it's gotta be. ”Give WT 4 and 5 star kids and I think he'd do much better.” That was the kind of knowledgeable insight you don’t normally find here. |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 9, 2023 7:51:22 GMT -8
The last 33 years of MBB recruiting. Add it all together and OSU and WSU are at the bottom of the Pac10/12. Why don't you tell us why. Let me guess....Wayne Tinkle? No, here's a better one: The last 6 OSU head coaches were bad recruiters...that's what it's gotta be. ”Give WT 4 and 5 star kids and I think he'd do much better.” That was the kind of knowledgeable insight you don’t normally find here. Bashing a program that's been down for 30+ years is the real insight, isn't it? How much courage does that take? I'm not worried though, I know you'll be here tonight for the UCLA game with further insights. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 9, 2023 8:12:43 GMT -8
”Give WT 4 and 5 star kids and I think he'd do much better.” That was the kind of knowledgeable insight you don’t normally find here. Bashing a program that's been down for 30+ years is the real insight, isn't it? How much courage does that take? I'm not worried though, I know you'll be here tonight for the UCLA game with further insights. I'll stand by that post. If I were you I'd try to change the subject too. No worries. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 9, 2023 15:10:21 GMT -8
In the era of the transfer portal and NIL predicting what the roster will look like in future years
is spurious.
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