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Post by ricke71 on Feb 6, 2023 17:48:49 GMT -8
Gavin Turley is the highest (or one of the....) recruit to set foot in Corvallis. I sometimes lurk on the ASU Baseball "Devils Dugout" site (ASU - you know, that university that many decades ago - last Century - had an elite baseball program...Reggie, et al). Likely some Arizonan's have burnt butts over the 'local' (via Utah) Turley heading to the northwest.. Here's a condensed version of a current discussion on Devil's Dugout re:Turley vs. ASU Fr. Isaiah Jackson -"This is going to be a really fun comparison to watch for the next 3 years. Hamilton High product Turley decided on playing at Oregon State while Jackson decided to stay home and play for ASU. Both likely start out in a corner outfield spot with the expectation that they move to CF eventually. PG State Rank: Turley: 1; Jackson: 2
Turley may be the higher rated player, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jackson has the better college career. Turley has a TON of swing and miss and has never really hit plus pitching. He struck out over 20 times in a high school season and hit right around .300 if I'm not mistaken. That doesn't bode well as indicators for top power 5 pitching. And Jackson is a MUCH better defensive OF.
I’ve only seen Turley in person but can’t ever see him playing CF at the Major League level. He is tooled up. Can run and throw and has 70 raw power. Not a good hitter at this point although the bat speed and his lift does lead to the raw power. Did not show the instincts at the HS level, and it hurt him especially on the bases and on defense."
Speaking of Arizona, and Gavin Turley, it get's real in that State in about 10 days and 17 hours. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 6, 2023 20:09:42 GMT -8
Wow, they make him sound like a bum. I wonder what the authors analysis would be of Turley if he were on ASU's campus.
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Post by abureid on Feb 6, 2023 21:02:17 GMT -8
I watched him in bend, his first at bat he did indeed swing and miss twice in a row. Then he hit one over the CF fence into the teeth of a stiff breeze.
An inning later he damn near threw out a guy going 1st to 3rd on a single to RF. threw a one hot strike to 3B that looked like a cannon shot.
He has tools,
He will probably start fast, have a mid season slump as teams scout him and finish strong as he learns and adjusts. Very similar to Bazana.
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Post by chinmusic on Feb 6, 2023 22:34:50 GMT -8
ASU can have this debate - they have Jackson, OSU has Turley. Jackson is going to be a very good outfielder, Gavin Turley is going to be a great outfielder. The 2022 season stats favor Jackson but with a caveat. Jackson played at Vail-Cienega in the 5A Sonoran Conference, where he honed his numbers against teams like Desert View, Buena and Nogales. Turley faced the best prep pitching in Arizona playing at Hamilton high school in the 6A Premier Section against teams like Chandler, Basha, Corona del Sol and Brpphy Prep. A significant disparity in competition there.
Comparing stats:
Jackson: 106PA, 85AB, 43H, 34R, 31RBI, 13dbl, 5trp, 6HR, 17BB, 15K, 7SB, SLASH .506/ .594/ .988
Excellent numbers for a team that finished their season at 15-13.
Turley: 135PA, 101AB, 32H, 37R, 37RBI, 8dbl, 0 trp, 15HR, 30BB, 35K, 19SB, SLASH .317/ .489/ .841
Ditto - for a team that went 29-4 and won the Arizona state 6A Championship.
So, a one year stat comparison might give ASU a point to argue. But that's where the comparison ends.
Jackson Metrics: 60: 6.93, Exit velo: 101.1, OF velo: 87.4 Jackson is 6-3 and 200
Turley metrics: 60: 6.29 Exit velo: 113.9 OF velo: 97.0 Turley is 6-2 and 192
Any player comparisons have to begin with an examination of the 5 tools baseball Managers, Coaches and Scouts all value so highly. Hit, hit with power, speed, fielding, throwing. Makeup won't be a part of this comparison. Those raw tools have to be developed but for the most part if they are there at age 18, you have the making of a special player.
Finally, how do the baseball websites and their scouting staffs view the two players.
PERFECT GAME: Turley was ranked #1 in Arizona and #16 nationally. He was rated the 5th best OF prospect nationally.
Jackson was ranked #2 in Arizona and #142 nationally. He was rated the 32nd best OF prospect nationally
PREP BASEBALL REPORT: Turley is ranked #1 in Arizona, #49 nationally and the 10th best OF prospect nationally.
Jackson is ranked #2 in Arizona, #144 nationally and rated the 28th best OF prospect.
Turley is brimming with the "hit" tool but will make several changes in the swing and approach at OSU to cut down the K's and improve the frequency of "barrels".
These are two gifted players but one has the superior tool box . . . and he's in Corvallis.
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Post by seastape on Feb 6, 2023 23:37:08 GMT -8
It sounds like both schools got a good recruit between the two discussed here.
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Post by chinmusic on Feb 7, 2023 14:49:45 GMT -8
They certainly did, both kids are good outfielders. Jackson was drafted in the 18th round by the Astros.
I think the point Ricke71 was making here was the Solar Demons might be engaging in some wishful thinking as opposed to looking at real world potential. They're making an emotional argument instead of a factual argument.
Turley is clearly the better prospect and should have a better college career. MLB Scouts think his swing is "overly active" - too many moving parts, but that aside, they love everything else they see with him. That concern will be fixed in the cages at OSU.
I'm a believer.
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Post by chinmusic on Feb 7, 2023 15:08:15 GMT -8
A little bee in your bonnets - watch Turley run a 60. Mind blowing - incredible turnover and acceleration, a verey powerful runner. I think I've watched it 20 times, it's jaw-dropping. In the Beaver offense, that really translates. Will the trust in judgement of a freshman be high enough that he's given the automatic green light.A key team stat this year will be Gavin's OB%.
1st to 3rd
2nd to home
1st to home
Singles become doubles
Doubles become triples
Triples become inside-the-park home runs.
Ground balls in the hole become base hits
Sacrifices are singles
Game changer!
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 7, 2023 15:13:37 GMT -8
Turley without doubt is a very gifted kid. He could be talked about amongst the greats in osu baseball history ...he has that kind of potential. That being said,in the fall he did have some swing and miss issues,but he eventually will adjust to major college baseball,and be a fine player.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 7, 2023 17:53:08 GMT -8
I expect Jackson's #s will be higher, because he will play in Arizona on a sun-baked, wind-blown field and not at sea level and probably will play more home games.
Arizona and ASU are the Coors Fields of the Pac-12.
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Post by chinmusic on Feb 7, 2023 20:25:38 GMT -8
A rather unusual occurrence today with D1 Baseball - Their Top-150 list of college outfielders has Gavin Turley ranked 45th . . . before he has ever played a game at the collegiate level . That placed him as the 4th best outfielder in the PAC-12 this coming season.
Wow!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 8, 2023 0:18:27 GMT -8
I expect Jackson's #s will be higher, because he will play in Arizona on a sun-baked, wind-blown field and not at sea level and probably will play more home games. Arizona and ASU are the Coors Fields of the Pac-12. More home runs are hit out at California and Stanford. Hi Corbett and Phoenix Muni are both very weather-dependent. In the heat, both play very small. But both are pretty large stadiums and play that way, when there is any humidity or lower temperatures. Oregon State played at Phoenix Muni May 14-16 in 2021 and May 13-15 in 2022. The Beaver lost two of three in both. The trips in 2017-2019 were all in March or April. Oregon State went down to Tucson in early may back in 2016 and got swept. From 2011-2015, the Arizona trips were all in March or April. 2010 was a trip down to Packard in May. Lost two out of three and had to win the finale by a run to avoid a sweep. 2007-2009 were all in March and April. 2006 was a trip to Packard May 12-14. Oregon State lost two of three and needed to win the finale by a run to avoid a sweep. It still is a tough place to play, both because the later season games seem to result in more home runs and because the infielders seem to have a harder time in the glare and the heat. A fun fact is that the latest series that Oregon State has won in Arizona is the 2008 series at Packard, April 18-20. The Beavers get a chance to set a new record this year by winning the latest series ever in Arizona, April 21-23. Best scheduled trip to Arizona in the past four years, though. Early enough so there is a decent chance that it won't be absolutely miserable. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Feb 8, 2023 8:08:24 GMT -8
I expect Jackson's #s will be higher, because he will play in Arizona on a sun-baked, wind-blown field and not at sea level and probably will play more home games. Arizona and ASU are the Coors Fields of the Pac-12. More home runs are hit out at California and Stanford. Hi Corbett and Phoenix Muni are both very weather-dependent. In the heat, both play very small. But both are pretty large stadiums and play that way, when there is any humidity or lower temperatures. Oregon State played at Phoenix Muni May 14-16 in 2021 and May 13-15 in 2022. The Beaver lost two of three in both. The trips in 2017-2019 were all in March or April. Oregon State went down to Tucson in early may back in 2016 and got swept. From 2011-2015, the Arizona trips were all in March or April. 2010 was a trip down to Packard in May. Lost two out of three and had to win the finale by a run to avoid a sweep. 2007-2009 were all in March and April. 2006 was a trip to Packard May 12-14. Oregon State lost two of three and needed to win the finale by a run to avoid a sweep. It still is a tough place to play, both because the later season games seem to result in more home runs and because the infielders seem to have a harder time in the glare and the heat. A fun fact is that the latest series that Oregon State has won in Arizona is the 2008 series at Packard, April 18-20. The Beavers get a chance to set a new record this year by winning the latest series ever in Arizona, April 21-23. Best scheduled trip to Arizona in the past four years, though. Early enough so there is a decent chance that it won't be absolutely miserable. Nothing could be as miserable, weather-wise, as it was in Omaha in '17 and '18. iirc, '17 was worse |
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