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Post by beaverology on Feb 5, 2023 14:35:13 GMT -8
Barnes is smart. It's better to extend a coach who some want fired than be responsible for hiring a bad coach who gets listed on the Barnes resume as a 'bad hire'. That's a permanent stain on the OSU record of merit. Why do it unless you absolutely have to! Resist Barnes! They want to force you into a bad hire.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Feb 5, 2023 15:09:26 GMT -8
For the live of all that is holy, PLEASE get yourself down there and take over the program. It appears that you have all the qualifications for final 4 run .. So if I am served bad food at a restaurant I shouldn't complain about the chef because I'm not a chef, if I hire a painter to paint my house and he does a crappy job I shouldn't complain because I'm not a painter, etc...got it. Atleast you won't have to complain about bad engineering on a house. My profession is safe from that kind of stuff since the end user doesn't make it to court very often! |
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Post by ag87 on Feb 6, 2023 2:07:33 GMT -8
For the live of all that is holy, PLEASE get yourself down there and take over the program. It appears that you have all the qualifications for final 4 run .. So if I am served bad food at a restaurant I shouldn't complain about the chef because I'm not a chef, if I hire a painter to paint my house and he does a crappy job I shouldn't complain because I'm not a painter, etc...got it. No. If you were served bad food or got a poor paint job you would go to Benny's House and post around 500 messages about how you could have done it better. |
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Post by rafer on Feb 6, 2023 8:30:19 GMT -8
At the end of the day we are not a good team. For whatever reason.....I dunno. Seems like we have SOME talent....which does lead me to wonder how we can look THIS bad so often. On the flip side I like Tinkle...he's done SOME good things. But clearly not all is well with the program. The worst indictment of all is that I've sort of lost interest and don't even get mad anymore. This is about the most emotional rant I can muster.  Well put. I think a lot of us are in the same spot!! |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 6, 2023 8:54:38 GMT -8
It is really hard to justify or defend a 32 point loss. Its even harder to justify or defend a 32 point loss in the 9th year of a program. But I'm sure some body will try. I'll try! Beavs lost by 29 at Arizona in Ralph Miller's sixth season and by 27 in his 18th season. The Beavs have won once in Tucson in the last 40 years. We average losing by 17 points in road games against Arizona during that stretch, so I'm not sure this loss proves what you think it proves. The program made some serious mistakes following the Elite 8 run, and they have taken steps to correct it. They are unquestionably better than they were last season, and (if everyone stays) will likely be better again next year. That's all I want. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 6, 2023 10:06:49 GMT -8
It is really hard to justify or defend a 32 point loss. Its even harder to justify or defend a 32 point loss in the 9th year of a program. But I'm sure some body will try. I'll try! Beavs lost by 29 at Arizona in Ralph Miller's sixth season and by 27 in his 18th season. The Beavs have won once in Tucson in the last 40 years. We average losing by 17 points in road games against Arizona during that stretch, so I'm not sure this loss proves what you think it proves. The program made some serious mistakes following the Elite 8 run, and they have taken steps to correct it. They are unquestionably better than they were last season, and (if everyone stays) will likely be better again next year. That's all I want. The Beavers went from a great season to basically the worst season in Power 5 basketball in one season. That sucks, but anyone that thinks it can be reversed in one season is probably always going to be disappointed. It’s easier to fall down than to get back up. This year’s team is significantly improved, but expecting a complete turnaround in one year is kinda ridiculous. They’ve made significant strides in turning it around, gotta keep it up. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 6, 2023 12:08:40 GMT -8
In all seriousness why does tinkle get free passes for another couple years? He is being treated as if he is a new coach taking over for the past coach. Yep won one league game last year and has won three this year. Hell maybe he can win four. It still means the record sucks. I know he has guaranteed money but my god we should expect more from a guy that's been here 9 years not one year.
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Post by beaverology on Feb 6, 2023 12:23:30 GMT -8
In all seriousness why does tinkle get free passes for another couple years? He is being treated as if he is a new coach taking over for the past coach. Yep won one league game last year and has won three this year. Hell maybe he can win four. It still means the record sucks. I know he has guaranteed money but my god we should expect more from a guy that's been here 9 years not one year. The first NCAA tournament win in 40 years. Think about that. OSU has had ONE player selected in the NBA draft since 1998. ONE. What does that tell you? From 1990 thru 2013, the Beavs had a total of 2 winning seasons. How bad is that? Pretty Dam Bad. People come here and only talk about WT 2 bad seasons, they can't talk about anything good. If forced to talk about it, it's downplayed or dismissed. Where have you people been last 33 years and what part of the 40 year drought did you like? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 6, 2023 14:35:48 GMT -8
The Beavs went 25 years without a tournament appearance before Tinkle got them there. Now they've been in 2 of the last 6 Tournaments that have been held and on the cusp of the one that was canceled.
To put that into some perspective the longest current streak in the league is around 15 years, WSU would have to go another decade without an appearance to match OSU's dubious accomplishment, everybody else even longer.
It was a bad bad period for OSU basketball, but Tinkle has shown, twice in 6 tournaments, that he can get them there at least from time to time - and - the only Pac 12 teams to get there more often in that time span all had accusations of cheating against them during that time.
Last season was BAD, but this season's very young team is improved and should continue to improve. Now is not the time to freak out. If several of our freshmen getting lots of minutes leave in the off season then maybe it's time to take a real critical look at the direction of our basketball program. OSU basketball is actually on an "upswing", from game to game it may not seem that way, but if you look at the overall direction of the program it's significantly up from where it was pre-Tinkle.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 6, 2023 14:46:42 GMT -8
In all seriousness why does tinkle get free passes for another couple years? He is being treated as if he is a new coach taking over for the past coach. Yep won one league game last year and has won three this year. Hell maybe he can win four. It still means the record sucks. I know he has guaranteed money but my god we should expect more from a guy that's been here 9 years not one year. The first NCAA tournament win in 40 years. Think about that. OSU has had ONE player selected in the NBA draft since 1998. ONE. What does that tell you? From 1990 thru 2013, the Beavs had a total of 2 winning seasons. How bad is that? Pretty Dam Bad. People come here and only talk about WT 2 bad seasons, they can't talk about anything good. If forced to talk about it, it's downplayed or dismissed. Where have you people been last 33 years and what part of the 40 year drought did you like? It says to me we’ve had cruddy, underperforming coaches that couldn’t recruit talented players. Perhaps we had cruddy AD’s in there too that picked the coaches. No one is perfect, but come on! Tinkle has been the best of the worst, but he is what he is. If you’re a fan that’s happy with his stretches of mediocrity followed by a spike in excitement and hope, great! But there are others, reasonable fans like myself that think Oregon St can do better. That’s all. |
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Post by irimi on Feb 6, 2023 14:49:16 GMT -8
In all seriousness why does tinkle get free passes for another couple years? He is being treated as if he is a new coach taking over for the past coach. Yep won one league game last year and has won three this year. Hell maybe he can win four. It still means the record sucks. I know he has guaranteed money but my god we should expect more from a guy that's been here 9 years not one year. The first NCAA tournament win in 40 years. Think about that. OSU has had ONE player selected in the NBA draft since 1998. ONE. What does that tell you? From 1990 thru 2013, the Beavs had a total of 2 winning seasons. How bad is that? Pretty Dam Bad. People come here and only talk about WT 2 bad seasons, they can't talk about anything good. If forced to talk about it, it's downplayed or dismissed. Where have you people been last 33 years and what part of the 40 year drought did you like? Honestly, I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's precisely because we haven't been relevant in a helluva long time that they want to move on to the next coach, hoping for some sort of winning formula that can bring consistency. It's tempting, especially after a blowout loss. It is harder to look for the signs of forward and upward movement. And it's hard to stomach the losses. I'm not a guy who cares about the win-loss record in the conference or whatever or even the overall record so much, but I care about big losses. They demoralize. They hurt. So on the one hand, I understand the call for Tinkle's head, but on the other, less emotional hand, I think he can turn the program back in the right direction. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 6, 2023 14:57:45 GMT -8
In all seriousness why does tinkle get free passes for another couple years? He is being treated as if he is a new coach taking over for the past coach. Yep won one league game last year and has won three this year. Hell maybe he can win four. It still means the record sucks. I know he has guaranteed money but my god we should expect more from a guy that's been here 9 years not one year. You play the hand that you are dealt, even if you are the dealer. Tinkle gets no free passes, but we need to see improvement. And we see improvement. One side says that there needs to be more improvement and faster. And I say that the other side is unrealistic. Ultimately, last year happened. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Last year happened, and this was a rebuild job. Is Tinkle the best guy for it? Absolutely not. Is he the best guy that we can afford, who is a good fit, and would actually work here? Probably. Plus, Barnesy already failed once at Pittsburgh, ruined the program. The Panthers had a string of 16 consecutive postseason appearances, one of the most dominant teams since the early 1970s. 10 losing seasons in 47. Barnesy made one hire, and they sank into the depths. 0-19 in conference in 2017-18. Barnesy quit, and Pittsburgh hired Heather Lyke, who made a Duke assistant, Jeff Capel III, the 16th-highest paid basketball coach in the country. After six consecutive losing seasons, it looks like Capel and Pittsburgh might actually put together a winning season. The chances of doing better are something akin to hitting a bullseye drunk and blindfolded.  We can blindfold Barnesy and see if he can hit a bullseye. I just doubt it. If Barnesy had a history of hiring great basketball coaches, I might be of a different mind. But he doesn't, so I don't. |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 6, 2023 15:26:05 GMT -8
I'll keep saying it until people understand: Those that defend Wayne Tinkle don't think he's perfect. They don't think he's blameless or that there needs to be a statue of him outside of Gill Coliseum. And honestly, I don't think anyone would be that upset if he was fired. I think it'd be a mistake, but it's not like the current results are so good that another coach would be unable to replicate them. But as beaverology said above, we've had 40 years of fairly similar results under a half dozen coaches or so. We've tried to reset this thing several times with no success, so I don't know that changing coaches is the answer. Furthermore, the last couple times we've hired a new coach, we've been told no by several targets before finding someone to say yes. I don't want to make a change just for change sake. I want to make a change because we have a plan. I don't know what that plan is, or how it's going to work here, but I don't like the idea of throwing millions of dollars at a good coach to not coach on the hopes that the next guy MAY do better. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 6, 2023 15:51:53 GMT -8
I can agree there should absolutely be a well thought out very detailed plan before thinking about letting Tinks go. But I definitely think such a plan needs to be getting in the works the way this is going.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 6, 2023 15:58:37 GMT -8
I really do think CR got a lot more talent in here than Jay John did for the most part. I also agree Tinkle has done more in some big time specific instances (obviously) than CR ever did. So why is it so unreasonable to think the next guy could do better than Tinkle? I don't think rehashing things all the way back to the friggin 90's is the reason to not strive to get someone better. The portal and our recent ncaa berths should mean a better chance of landing someone who can be better overall. Maybe even someone who can have a watchable offense (sorry couldn't resist on that last part lol). Just something to think about....
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