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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 1, 2023 12:02:50 GMT -8
He also backed his rapist player at Iowa and threw all of his players under the bus at UCLA (other than his son). No thanks. Whoa. I can't support that. Who can? No thank you Steve Alford. Wow, I'm assuming that 'truth' will withdraw his support of Alford given this new information. I was strictly looking at his win/loss record. I hadn't vetted every aspect of his life. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 1, 2023 12:55:44 GMT -8
Having a 65% winning percentage at the schools he has worked at is no great thing. He has one of lowest winning percentages of any UCLA coach since John Wooden. As an aside, Wayne Tinkle had a .640 overall winning percentage at Montana. .713 in Conference! Like the financial commercials say, past performance is not an indicator of future results! |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 1, 2023 15:39:17 GMT -8
This is the first time I've looked at Lucas' stats this year. 17.3 points a game is a pretty good number, but he's more inefficient than he was at OSU. Percentages are slightly lower from the field, 3, and free throw line, though his volume has gone up roughly 20% in the same amount of minutes played. His rebounding, assist and turnover numbers are virtually identical, and his steals have dropped by more than 50%.
In all, I think him transferring was good for all parties involved.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 1, 2023 16:27:03 GMT -8
Having a 65% winning percentage at the schools he has worked at is no great thing. He has one of lowest winning percentages of any UCLA coach since John Wooden. As an aside, Wayne Tinkle had a .640 overall winning percentage at Montana. .713 in Conference! Like the financial commercials say, past performance is not an indicator of future results! Just comparing apples to apples. Every coach at UCLA has had pretty much the same advantages Alford had, yet his WP is among the lowest. Winning at UCLA is easier than winning at OSU. Winning at Montana against Big Sky competition is easier than winning at OSU against Pac-12 competition. |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 1, 2023 16:29:45 GMT -8
Winning at Nevada is easier too. You basically have the same talent level with recruiting as OSU, but you play the 11 Pac12 schools instead of the Mountain West schools. That's guaranteed to lower your winning % unless you're Tony Bennett.
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Post by pabeaver on Feb 1, 2023 16:58:47 GMT -8
He also backed his rapist player at Iowa and threw all of his players under the bus at UCLA (other than his son). No thanks. Wayne is 1 for 2 on these items, he's been throwing his players under the bus for 9 years. That other 1 is kind of a doozy though |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 1, 2023 17:05:26 GMT -8
Whoa. I can't support that. Who can? No thank you Steve Alford. Wow, I'm assuming that 'truth' will withdraw his support of Alford given this new information. I was strictly looking at his win/loss record. I hadn't vetted every aspect of his life. ’cause that’s all that matters, right? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 1, 2023 18:16:22 GMT -8
As an aside, Wayne Tinkle had a .640 overall winning percentage at Montana. .713 in Conference! Like the financial commercials say, past performance is not an indicator of future results! Just comparing apples to apples. Every coach at UCLA has had pretty much the same advantages Alford had, yet his WP is among the lowest. Winning at UCLA is easier than winning at OSU. Winning at Montana against Big Sky competition is easier than winning at OSU against Pac-12 competition. I wasn’t really making an argument. If anything, my post was in agreement with yours. WT is a good example to affirm your belief that winning 65% of your games at certain schools “is no great thing.” |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 1, 2023 18:55:12 GMT -8
Alford is a grade A asshole. No thanks. Some might of thought Ralph was a cantankerous A-hole also. Guess he wouldn't have been hired either. I doubt there are a lot of winning coaches out there that don't have just a little and maybe a lot of that A hole characteristic. Jonathan Smith? Mike Riley? |
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 1, 2023 19:16:05 GMT -8
Some might of thought Ralph was a cantankerous A-hole also. Guess he wouldn't have been hired either. I doubt there are a lot of winning coaches out there that don't have just a little and maybe a lot of that A hole characteristic. Jonathan Smith? Mike Riley? Yes both seem to be nice guys but under rileys helm weren't a couple players supposedly involved in a sexual assault or so some have said and it was kind of swept away? So if true is he still a nice guy? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 1, 2023 20:33:22 GMT -8
Some might of thought Ralph was a cantankerous A-hole also. Guess he wouldn't have been hired either. I doubt there are a lot of winning coaches out there that don't have just a little and maybe a lot of that A hole characteristic. Jonathan Smith? Mike Riley? Smith isn't even all that close to being a winning coach using the standard some here use for Tinkle. It's all about the overall record, screw the post season play and the winning seasons. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 1, 2023 21:01:56 GMT -8
Jonathan Smith? Mike Riley? Smith isn't even all that close to being a winning coach using the standard some here use for Tinkle. It's all about the overall record, screw the post season play and the winning seasons. Sometimes it’s about trends. J Smith’s is positive. The trend is your friend! W Tinkle’s is all over the place! S Rueck’s is negative. M Canham’s is positive. |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 2, 2023 8:32:51 GMT -8
Winning at Nevada is easier too. You basically have the same talent level with recruiting as OSU, but you play the 11 Pac12 schools instead of the Mountain West schools. That's guaranteed to lower your winning % unless you're Tony Bennett. Well, when Wayne Tinkle is your coach then yes, OSU's recruiting would be at the same level as Nevada. Can't agree with this. Tinkle's recruiting is on par or better than every coach we've had since 1990 in my mind. Seems like each coach has had one or two really good classes: Eddie Payne had that class with Benjamin, Bickerstaff, Cunningham, Ron Grady.....but not one of those guys completed their eligibility here Jay John? I mean he brought in Brian Jackson which was a big get at the time, and that one class with Floyd North and JS Nash was pretty well regarded, though they didn't pan out Craig Robinson had the Roberto Nelson, Joe Burton, Jared Cunningham class that was fairly successful, But Wayne's class of Tres, Stevie and Eubanks was more successful and more highly regarded than any of those. This current batch of freshmen looks like they might have something too (if they stay). |
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Post by beaverology on Feb 2, 2023 8:48:22 GMT -8
The overarching theme with MBB is that it's the school, it's the program, not the coach. There's a 30 year history to prove it. We won the Pac12 and went to the elite 8, did that change recruiting? It had zero effect because 4 star kids don't want to come to Corvallis (football has the same problem). This needs to change and it's disappointing to see DamN and GK say they won't use NIL to help recruit kids to OSU.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 2, 2023 9:21:03 GMT -8
Smith isn't even all that close to being a winning coach using the standard some here use for Tinkle. It's all about the overall record, screw the post season play and the winning seasons. Sometimes it’s about trends. J Smith’s is positive. The trend is your friend! W Tinkle’s is all over the place! S Rueck’s is negative. M Canham’s is positive. Tinkle has had 2 horrible years, but aside from that he’s never actually trended downward here. |
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