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Post by beaverology on Jan 30, 2023 7:35:34 GMT -8
True or False: The OSU MBB coach should maintain a record above .500 in Pac12 play or be dismissed.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 30, 2023 7:57:08 GMT -8
Fans should be happy with a 500 record in conference play. Talking about dismissing the program is dumb bait.
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Post by beaverology on Jan 30, 2023 7:57:25 GMT -8
I think for programs like UW, Stanford, USC and ASU, sure. But OSU? Unrealistic expectation in 2023.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 30, 2023 8:00:44 GMT -8
The current guy is at 35% for overall pac12 play. If he wins 13 pac12 games in a row he will be at 40%. Baby steps. Lol.
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Post by beaverology on Jan 30, 2023 8:04:15 GMT -8
The current guy is at 35% for overall pac12 play. If he wins 13 pac12 games in a row he will be at 40%. Baby steps. Lol. That kinda sounds like a "YES" to the .500 question. Don't be afraid. It's a yes/no question. |
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Post by irimi on Jan 30, 2023 8:41:57 GMT -8
I’ll say both True and False.
This should be a goal, but not the make-or-break factor. There’s a lot more to coaching a college team than just winning games.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 30, 2023 8:42:49 GMT -8
You should make a poll.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 30, 2023 9:19:14 GMT -8
To require .500 by any OSU coach should require recruiting budgets in the conference mid-level at a minimum.
Corvallis is not a glitzy draw for most top basketball recruits to begin with, to expect coaches to compete as though the playing field is level while consistently spending among the lowest in the conference on recruiting is short sighted.
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Post by qbeaver on Jan 30, 2023 11:10:48 GMT -8
True or False: The OSU MBB coach should maintain a record above .500 in Pac12 play or be dismissed. FALSE...Absolutely False....until we hire a coach at a pay that entices a legit coach to get on board,we're going to get the same results. A good season here or there and bad seasons mostly. Why would osu do better than half the conference when we aren't investing in the program. Invest in the program with better facilities like redoing the lower bowl and putting more money into the MBB program and then maybe we can talk. |
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Post by irimi on Jan 30, 2023 11:48:10 GMT -8
To require .500 by any OSU coach should require recruiting budgets in the conference mid-level at a minimum. Corvallis is not a glitzy draw for most top basketball recruits to begin with, to expect coaches to compete as though the playing field is level while consistently spending among the lowest in the conference on recruiting is short sighted. I think this will always be a problem while we are in this conference. So I think the playing field, even if we were to spend the cash, will never be level. This is just part of the many other factors coaches at OSU have to deal with. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 30, 2023 12:55:46 GMT -8
To require .500 by any OSU coach should require recruiting budgets in the conference mid-level at a minimum. Corvallis is not a glitzy draw for most top basketball recruits to begin with, to expect coaches to compete as though the playing field is level while consistently spending among the lowest in the conference on recruiting is short sighted. I think this will always be a problem while we are in this conference. So I think the playing field, even if we were to spend the cash, will never be level. This is just part of the many other factors coaches at OSU have to deal with. The reality from what I saw on the recruiting budgets I saw from a couple years back is the whole Pac 12 in general spends less specifically on recruiting than several of the other Power 5/6 conferences and their schools. For us to catch up to the middle of the Pac 12 wouldn’t be all that much in the overall scheme of things. I can’t remember the exact numbers and am too lazy to look it up right now, but when the bulk of the other schools in the league are spending an extra 50-300k on recruiting budgets year after year after year - it adds up over time. That gap probably won’t be bridged right away with one or two years of budgeting in par with the other schools, but it could go a long ways with not losing a recruiting battle and picking up a player here and there that over time could help the next 30 years not look like the last 30 years. Recruiting is only one part when it comes to support. OSU may not be able to, or want to, spend the $$ to create a level playing field and “it is what it is”, but we sure have a group of vocal fans who ignore or just can’t comprehend the circumstances our coaches/AD are and have been dealing with the last 3 decades. |
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Post by beaver94 on Jan 30, 2023 13:30:05 GMT -8
I think this will always be a problem while we are in this conference. So I think the playing field, even if we were to spend the cash, will never be level. This is just part of the many other factors coaches at OSU have to deal with. The reality from what I saw on the recruiting budgets I saw from a couple years back is the whole Pac 12 in general spends less specifically on recruiting than several of the other Power 5/6 conferences and their schools. For us to catch up to the middle of the Pac 12 wouldn’t be all that much in the overall scheme of things. I can’t remember the exact numbers and am too lazy to look it up right now, but when the bulk of the other schools in the league are spending an extra 50-300k on recruiting budgets year after year after year - it adds up over time. That gap probably won’t be bridged right away with one or two years of budgeting in par with the other schools, but it could go a long ways with not losing a recruiting battle and picking up a player here and there that over time could help the next 30 years not look like the last 30 years. Recruiting is only one part when it comes to support. OSU may not be able to, or want to, spend the $$ to create a level playing field and “it is what it is”, but we sure have a group of vocal fans who ignore or just can’t comprehend the circumstances our coaches/AD are and have been dealing with the last 3 decades. I'm not one of them but my impression is that, for most of them, it's the drop to 3 or 4 wins multiple times that is enough for them. Even looking at the good that can be somewhat incomprehensible for a lot of fans. Reality of budgets or not those are terrible years. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 30, 2023 13:31:13 GMT -8
No clue just curious. How did our budget match up to conference averages under Ralph?
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 30, 2023 13:33:45 GMT -8
No clue just curious. How did our budget match up to conference averages under Ralph? It didn't matter as much back then. Recruiting was more regional and it was easier to find hidden gems because there wasn't the national exposure for HS recruits that there is now. |
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Post by chicagobeav on Jan 30, 2023 13:46:35 GMT -8
Well, considering next year will be the last year of the PAC 12 - kinda late for that discussion- 24-25 May be something completely different- May be playing in some non power conference….
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