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Post by beaverstever on Jan 17, 2023 13:15:46 GMT -8
I actually think a big part of it is Rueck’s lack effort, or at least wins in the portal. I’m contrast, Tinkle has worked the portal heavily, and may end up with more conference wins with far less top-end talent. Rueck is sitting in 4 scholarships (and no walk-ons), and is perpetually two injuries away from not having 5on5 in practice - it makes no sense to me. As a result, this year’s roster had no choice but to give frosh big minutes, and it was pretty clear that much if this frosh class wasn’t going to be ready for that. If Rueck is keeping extra scholarships around so that he has more minute/player to keep kids from transferring, it’s not working. Losing 4 experienced (and generally better) players in exchange for a net 2 has come home to roost. That’s the most troubling thing to me-OSU is clearly not a priority destination for players in the portal era. Whatever the reason for that is the root of what needs fixed, IMO. Probably the players whom we were really counting from last portal but lost were point guard from BYU, Gonzales that went to Texas and the 6/4 girl who her senior year in Washington went at the last minute to California. Forget her name but instead didn’t think much of us for the portal and went back home to university of Washington. If Rueck got those two to OSU LAST SPRING we wouldn’t be in this predicament now. We wouldn’t be talking about Mannen versus anybody else and we would have had good depth at the 4. It really took its toll on us when Gardiner couldnt play from the get go this year. That not having experienced 4 postponed our progress. This then takes us back to who we lost last year that were undergrads or transfers. We were decimated by our loses that were bigs.. Rueck had two choices before this season began. Fix the fire in some way. Either that 6/4 girl that left Cal or beg one or two big kids to stay. My easiest choice would have been Corsdale. She didn’t need to go anywhere? That’s why Reese stayed with Arizona an extra year because she saw a clear need at Arizona after Ware got hurt. losing. Ellle Tara Taylor and Brown. That was a huge loss. Personally I thought it was embarrassing also. Agree on the portal candidates we did chase, but SR has to hedge bets. Gonzales was never much of a candidate with a place like UT offering IMO, because she can command a strong NIL deal. As for Daniels at UW, not sure she helps us with what ails us that much, especially with Gardiner back. I believe Corosdale’s decision was a Grad school program one, and if so, one that could have been long planned for. Btw- UW was decimated by lost transfers, but gained a lot with inbound transfers subsequently. Who is responsible for recruiting at UW? Katie Faulkner. |
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 17, 2023 13:23:00 GMT -8
We didn’t get Gardiner when it would have been best for this season . It’s beginning. It disrupted not having Gardiner for our team to bond sooner then later. Daniel would have helped that loss. Better than mit in my view. Daniel’s is good defender for match ups.
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Post by grayman on Jan 17, 2023 13:34:11 GMT -8
I actually think a big part of it is Rueck’s lack effort, or at least wins in the portal. I’m contrast, Tinkle has worked the portal heavily, and may end up with more conference wins with far less top-end talent. Rueck is sitting in 4 scholarships (and no walk-ons), and is perpetually two injuries away from not having 5on5 in practice - it makes no sense to me. As a result, this year’s roster had no choice but to give frosh big minutes, and it was pretty clear that much if this frosh class wasn’t going to be ready for that. If Rueck is keeping extra scholarships around so that he has more minute/player to keep kids from transferring, it’s not working. 4 experienced (and generally better) players in exchange for a net 2 has come home to roost. That’s the most troubling thing to me-OSU is clearly not a priority destination for players in the portal era. Whatever the reason for that is the root of what needs fixed, IMO. Probably the players whom we were really counting from last portal but lost were point guard from BYU, Gonzales that went to Texas and the 6/4 girl who her senior year in Washington went at the last minute to California. Forget her name but instead didn’t think much of us for the portal and went back home to university of Washington. If Rueck got those two to OSU LAST SPRING we wouldn’t be in this predicament now. We wouldn’t be talking about Mannen versus anybody else and we would have had good depth at the 4. It really took its toll on us when Gardiner couldnt play from the get go this year. That not having experienced 4 postponed our progress. This then takes us back to who we lost last year that were undergrads or transfers. We were decimated by our losing who were bigs.. Rueck had two choices before this season began. Fix the fire in some way. Either that 6/4 girl that left Cal or beg one or two big kids to stay. My easiest choice would have been Corsdale. She didn’t need to go anywhere? That’s why Reese stayed with Arizona an extra year because she saw a clear need at Arizona after Ware got hurt. losing Ellle Tara Taylor and Brown. That was a huge loss. Personally I thought it was embarrassing also. It's more about Rueck not being able to land top transfers through the portal. And you can only count on players to come to Oregon State when they actually arrive, not when they are still in the portal. He has to adapt to the reality of the portal and then use it with a higher level of success. |
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Post by lotrader on Jan 17, 2023 13:58:44 GMT -8
Now that the Beavs are in the midst of yet another point guard drought (mid-January 2023) - but with a huge (but young) upside on the front line, next season could be decent if a perfect (good) storm of events occur (my humble opinion): a.) Raegan and Timea stick around, and stay healthy b.) TVO stays, and has it 'going on' in her Junior year c.) ditto Marotte. d.) Shuler can contribute 15-20 minutes, both in bringing the ball up the court and in quality passes to front line talent. e.) a combination of Marta and the transfer portal supplies 20-25 acceptable minutes at PG. Mannen (??) f.) Lily Hansford progresses part way toward a Kat Tudor role. g.) Donovyn Hunter can contribute about 12 minutes per game...surpassing this seasons duo of Blacklock and Hansford. Hopefully Mitrovic will simply be an acceptable backup next season (though a starter at the beginning of any OT, in order to get the opening tip) It's not impossible...but it's a sign of the state of the program to have to have so many things fall in place just to return to the upper half of PAC-12 Donovyn Hunter is going to play more than 12 minutes per game. She is a defensive specialist, and an athletic wing. Donovyn played a lot of PG this summer and is an adept ball handler & assist maker. Donovyn will see a lot of the court next season. |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 17, 2023 16:32:24 GMT -8
On the wonders of bringing in guards. In the past couple of years OSU has lost several guards so there is a constant need to train them in Ruecks system of defense. Bringing in more players who need to be trained isn't going to help things. If the guards they have stick around and learn how to do it they will be successful.
An example of a good defensive player having problems switching to SR's system of defense is Bendu. She only played about 16 minutes against UW because she was gambling on steals. Her shortest time for the year to date. Also no rebounds, and rebounding is very much a team thing for the Beav's. The UCLA and UA games were great but this past weekend was a regression to prior play like any freshman.
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Post by finleybandbeav on Jan 17, 2023 18:58:22 GMT -8
Didn't our two bigs enter the portal well after Beers committed? Yeah - maybe they read the writing on the wall. Actually, I wouldn't trade both of them combined for the impact that Beers has already had this season. And as much as I loved TC as a Beav, she's been basically invisible at Duke.
This is a team with a young and/or new core. You're not going to get overnight results. Patience is in order. They'll win some and lose some along the way - it's part of the learning process.
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 17, 2023 20:12:57 GMT -8
Didn't our two bigs enter the portal well after Beers committed? Yeah - maybe they read the writing on the wall. Actually, I wouldn't trade both of them combined for the impact that Beers has already had this season. And as much as I loved TC as a Beav, she's been basically invisible at Duke. This is a team with a young and/or new core. You're not going to get overnight results. Patience is in order. They'll win some and lose some along the way - it's part of the learning process. You are absolutely right, but patience is something most on this board are lacking. It's tough to lose games. I hate it. Still, there is every reason to be excited to watch the young talent on this team. Some think everything has to fall into place for the Beavs to have a good season next year. I think they are destined to be a good team unless things fall "out of place". |
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 17, 2023 20:27:54 GMT -8
Probably the players whom we were really counting from last portal but lost were point guard from BYU, Gonzales that went to Texas and the 6/4 girl who her senior year in Washington went at the last minute to California. Forget her name but instead didn’t think much of us for the portal and went back home to university of Washington. If Rueck got those two to OSU LAST SPRING we wouldn’t be in this predicament now. We wouldn’t be talking about Mannen versus anybody else and we would have had good depth at the 4. It really took its toll on us when Gardiner couldnt play from the get go this year. That not having experienced 4 postponed our progress. This then takes us back to who we lost last year that were undergrads or transfers. We were decimated by our losing who were bigs.. Rueck had two choices before this season began. Fix the fire in some way. Either that 6/4 girl that left Cal or beg one or two big kids to stay. My easiest choice would have been Corsdale. She didn’t need to go anywhere? That’s why Reese stayed with Arizona an extra year because she saw a clear need at Arizona after Ware got hurt. losing Ellle Tara Taylor and Brown. That was a huge loss. Personally I thought it was embarrassing also. It's more about Rueck not being able to land top transfers through the portal. And you can only count on players to come to Oregon State when they actually arrive, not when they are still in the portal. He has to adapt to the reality of the portal and then use it with a higher level of success. I try not to be overly critical of SR, because, honestly, many of the comments on this board from us fans are simply ridiculous. He's not nearly as bad a coach as some make him sound, and his record has proven that. Riley is a good recruiter,. His record shows that as well. What he hasn't handled well yet is the transfer portal. I'm still mystified that there were no big players brought in from the portal last spring. With only Mit, Raegan, and Timea, it was apparent the team was short on players at the 4 and 5 positions. Timea's injury amplified that. So far, I will grade SR's portal success at a C or C-. If you compare who transferred out, to who transferred in, I'd make that grade a D. I think SR will do better this year. I'm looking/hoping/ even expecting an A grade this offseason. I hope my expectations aren't set too high. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 17, 2023 21:11:50 GMT -8
Some around here need to realize that there is a difference between recruiting and signing. Rueck and staff are at a lot of games and tournaments, some sign but a lot more don't. We have been in the final group for a lot of very good players. This is not an OSU issue, no coach signs everyone they recruit.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 17, 2023 21:24:55 GMT -8
It's more about Rueck not being able to land top transfers through the portal. And you can only count on players to come to Oregon State when they actually arrive, not when they are still in the portal. He has to adapt to the reality of the portal and then use it with a higher level of success. I try not to be overly critical of SR, because, honestly, many of the comments on this board from us fans are simply ridiculous. He's not nearly as bad a coach as some make him sound, and his record has proven that. Riley is a good recruiter,. His record shows that as well. What he hasn't handled well yet is the transfer portal. I'm still mystified that there were no big players brought in from the portal last spring. With only Mit, Raegan, and Timea, it was apparent the team was short on players at the 4 and 5 positions. Timea's injury amplified that. So far, I will grade SR's portal success at a C or C-. If you compare who transferred out, to who transferred in, I'd make that grade a D. I think SR will do better this year. I'm looking/hoping/ even expecting an A grade this offseason. I hope my expectations aren't set too high. On recruiting, isn't getting players from the portal (or JCs) part of recruiting? It is certainly the thought for JS and WT. Indeed OSU is still getting quality players out of HS, but that's not enough if they aren't kept around, or replaced with seasoned players when they do leave - that's the major landscape shift that's happened in recent years -- one that so far has elevated programs like Utah and crushed programs like OSU. |
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 18, 2023 16:07:03 GMT -8
Ouch but true.
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 18, 2023 20:47:21 GMT -8
I would consider looking for players in the portal, and looking for HS players both recruiting yet very different. SR has done a good job evaluating very young players, often before they are in High School, and building relationships over the course of years. It doesn't mean he hasn't landed some players that he didn't see until late. Savannah Samuel would be one, who by the way is playing under 16mpg for West Virginia while averaging 4 1/2ppg and 2 1/2rpg. Many of his recent recruits are those he has identified early and recruited for years.
The portal on the other hand is HS recruiting on steroids. In most cases, you have days, very seldom more than 6 weeks to identify who you want, convince them your program is right for them, get them to visit, and get them to commit. In some cases, the player may have been someone you recruited in HS, but overall, you don't have that long timeframe to build a relationship, which SR is good at.
Which reminds me. Did anyone notice after the Arizona State game how SR stopped one of their players, I believe Tyi Skinner, to say a few words, and then gave each other a mini hug. I don't know what was said, but it seemed a very nice gesture by SR.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 18, 2023 21:20:53 GMT -8
I would consider looking for players in the portal, and looking for HS players both recruiting yet very different. SR has done a good job evaluating very young players, often before they are in High School, and building relationships over the course of years. It doesn't mean he hasn't landed some players that he didn't see until late. Savannah Samuel would be one, who by the way is playing under 16mpg for West Virginia while averaging 4 1/2ppg and 2 1/2rpg. Many of his recent recruits are those he has identified early and recruited for years. The portal on the other hand is HS recruiting on steroids. In most cases, you have days, very seldom more than 6 weeks to identify who you want, convince them your program is right for them, get them to visit, and get them to commit. In some cases, the player may have been someone you recruited in HS, but overall, you don't have that long timeframe to build a relationship, which SR is good at. Which reminds me. Did anyone notice after the Arizona State game how SR stopped one of their players, I believe Tyi Skinner, to say a few words, and then gave each other a mini hug. I don't know what was said, but it seemed a very nice gesture by SR. I had pretty much forgotten about Samuel. She's shooting 18% from 3 this year at WV as a junior, so she doesn't seem like a transfer that would have helped much by sticking around. |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 18, 2023 22:14:25 GMT -8
It's weird, but none of the players who transferred out of OSU has done very well and some really badly. Whereas the Duck transfers have frequently done extremely well.
A common theme for most of the players out of OSU is problems with fouling, but OSU is always one of the top 10 teams for not fouling. After learning SR's style of defense they can't unlearn it?
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Post by sewingbeaver on Jan 19, 2023 7:40:34 GMT -8
Talia, Raegan, and Timea are all going on a Beavers Beyond Borders project in Panama this summer. I think that is a very strong sign they'll stay with the team and not entertain the portal.
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