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Post by chinmusic on Dec 22, 2022 14:18:35 GMT -8
ESPN's Paul Finebaum foresees Oregon and Washington joining the BIG-10 Conference in time. That would likely be the termination of the PAC-12-2 Conference as we now know it.
"Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren recently was quoted saying the Big Ten wasn’t in the business of expanding anymore — at least for now. He left the door open for the league potentially adding more schools, and Finebaum believes that door will remain open for two schools in particular — Washington and Oregon."
“I think in time, I mean, having watched up close with the SEC with Oklahoma and Texas – these are very complicated. moves. And I think you just can’t take four or five at the same time because the schedules are intricate and difficult,” Finebaum told RutgersWire in a recent interview.
“… I think Oregon and Washington are the two schools that would be the first first to go. Yeah, I still think there’s some movement left in the Big 12 so I don’t think that affects the big, the Big Ten can get who they want. I felt it for some time,”
It’s interesting hearing Finebaum’s take on the Big Ten potentially expanding and it would make sense if the league did want to add two more west coast schools to go with USC and UCLA so I completely agree with Finebaum’s thoughts here.
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Post by irimi on Dec 22, 2022 15:45:24 GMT -8
Let's see how the LA schools survive the travel headaches....
And I don't know how much the state of Oregon or Washington has to say in the matter, but I think they are less likely to be swayed by cash like Tinseltown.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 22, 2022 15:59:30 GMT -8
ESPN's Paul Finebaum foresees Oregon and Washington joining the BIG-10 Conference in time. That would likely be the termination of the PAC-12-2 Conference as we now know it. "Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren recently was quoted saying the Big Ten wasn’t in the business of expanding anymore — at least for now. He left the door open for the league potentially adding more schools, and Finebaum believes that door will remain open for two schools in particular — Washington and Oregon."
“I think in time, I mean, having watched up close with the SEC with Oklahoma and Texas – these are very complicated. moves. And I think you just can’t take four or five at the same time because the schedules are intricate and difficult,” Finebaum told RutgersWire in a recent interview.
“… I think Oregon and Washington are the two schools that would be the first first to go. Yeah, I still think there’s some movement left in the Big 12 so I don’t think that affects the big, the Big Ten can get who they want. I felt it for some time,”It’s interesting hearing Finebaum’s take on the Big Ten potentially expanding and it would make sense if the league did want to add two more west coast schools to go with USC and UCLA so I completely agree with Finebaum’s thoughts here. The grass is not always greener. The Big Ten almost ruptured apart in 2012 and had to add Maryland and Rutgers to avoid that happening. The Big Ten and SEC are not inevitable. Things are still very fluid. |
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Post by easyheat on Dec 22, 2022 23:58:16 GMT -8
I think "fluid" is an excellent word to define it.
In 2012 the PAC was thriving while the BIG-10 had some serious financial issues.
In 2022, The BIG-10 has a 16 team conference (including USC and UCLA) and a media package that is estimated to be worth as much as $10 Billion over 7 years.
The PAC-12 has a 10 team conference with no new media package in place or solidified, member schools holding talks with other conferences, and on the verge of rupture should one or two more members go elsewhere.
Fluid is correct.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 23, 2022 19:27:36 GMT -8
Big10 and their broadcast partner wanted one thing - the massive LA market. It was that only thing that added substantial value to their conference even after dividing the pot by 2 more spots.
UW and UO only bring parts of their respective Seattle and Portland markets. B10G already has Chicago, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Detroit and Columbus markets (among others Omaha, Des Moines, Baltimore, central PA). I don't see UW and UO (especially) adding enough value to offset dividing by 2 more units (18 after SC and UCLA to 20).
Bottom line, it's all about the money. They'll do it if it pencils out. If it doesn't they won't.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 23, 2022 19:41:23 GMT -8
Big10 and their broadcast partner wanted one thing - the massive LA market. It was that only thing that added substantial value to their conference even after dividing the pot by 2 more spots. UW and UO only bring parts of their respective Seattle and Portland markets. B10G already has Chicago, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Detroit and Columbus markets (among others Omaha, Des Moines, Baltimore, central PA). I don't see UW and UO (especially) adding enough value to offset dividing by 2 more units (18 after SC and UCLA to 20). Bottom line, it's all about the money. They'll do it if it pencils out. If it doesn't they won't. Other than Chicago, all of the other media markets are smaller than Seattle. And nobody gives a crap about Northwestern football. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Dec 23, 2022 20:48:12 GMT -8
f%#* ‘m.
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Post by easyheat on Dec 23, 2022 21:31:18 GMT -8
There is no "Media partner" - The B1G Media Package was parceled - several players are involved. Fox, CBS, NBC, Peacock and others all share a piece of the action with an emphasis on streaming in the future. CBS and NBC are paying $350 mil/yr for preferred time slots. Fox is the big player.
You might consider what some of the informed sources on the economics of college football said a few years ago - SEC greed and expansion triggered most of this current mess. The SEC would like to be in such a strong position they can heavily influence, if not control college football. That was concerning to other conference commissioners and expansion was born out of necessity and maybe even survival.
Certainly the B1G was interested in the lucrative soCal market and adding two prestigious Universities as well.
Media Markets wouldn't necessarily be the driving force behind the addition of Oregon and Washington but having Oregon, Washington and California (the west coast), represented in your conference would certainly be desirable. An 18 team Big-10 Conference that stretches from New Jersey to Seattle and encompasses 14 states, presents a much larger challenge to the SEC's dream.
FWIW: The idea of adding teams from the PAC-12 Conference was appealing to the Media Contract partners, especially CBS.
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