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Post by lotrader on Dec 19, 2022 9:03:42 GMT -8
This team has a 7-4 record. I guess that's positive but look a little deeper and to me its not pretty. We have won 7 games against teams that are currently 18-40. Lost to teams that are 40-5. The rest of the way we are not likely to play teams like prairie view, Hawaii, Seattle u, etc...haven't looked good against power 5 teams except for maybe oregon. Something needs to change quickly or its going to get ugly. We looked decent for a portion of the Iowa game as well. Pretty horrid against LSU and Duke. Shalexxus has been pretty average/bad except for the Iowa game, which is looking more and more like an anomaly of a game for her. Adlee has been shooting it pretty well, so maybe more minutes for her. Hopefully Timea is ready to go soon. We’re going to need her to be as advertised to finish in the top-6 of the Pac-12. Agree on Shalexxus to date. Not seeing much and at this point we need to bring along the freshmen. |
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Post by beav74 on Dec 19, 2022 9:04:40 GMT -8
Bendu shooting 30.3%. Start Martha. Better shooter and can play the point.
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Post by osu82 on Dec 19, 2022 10:11:43 GMT -8
Just hope Timea Gardiner is the real deal. We need a real deal to play next to Raegan. Let's get the young ones some more minutes. Is there any solid information on when/if she plays? I see the same vague “sometime in January” that, as far as I can tell, is just speculation. If she does play, I would expect her not to be that impactful given she hasn’t played or practiced (?) in 2 months. Limited minutes off the bench? One can always be surprised I guess, let’s hope that’s the case. |
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Post by osu82 on Dec 19, 2022 10:55:56 GMT -8
I see LSU moves up to #2 in NET rankings. #10 in AP. Beavs at #64 in NET, down from #61 last week. The next opponent is NCCU at #325 NET.
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Post by hawkeye2000 on Dec 19, 2022 11:08:18 GMT -8
When the Beavers start league play, I see them losing three straight games. They will be 0-4 before they take on ASU. What do you think?
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Post by grayman on Dec 19, 2022 11:30:36 GMT -8
LSU FT average is 68%, and in this game they hit 92%. That's the kind of game it was for them and for OSU. For me this game was two halves of shooting. The middle two quarters and the first and last quarter. Middle two quarters LSU shot 24/41 for 59%, and 3/8 from the 3 for 38%. First and last quarter they shot 12/38 for 32%, and 1/13 from the 3 for 7%. So yes, OSU is able to defend LSU and their "athletic advantage". They just need to do it the whole game.And then also rebounds were a problem with LSU at 51 and OSU at 30. But with Timea in the game and Mit playing 34 minutes instead of 24 minutes that problem may also go away. And on the portal, if players don't go into the portal then OSU will do fine. It's the 4 players going into the portal that has been a problem. OSU has had other bad games and come back to great success. One bad game does not make a bad season. No. This reads like you just looked at the stats after the fact but didn't watch the game. There was a huge difference in athleticism at least when it comes to speed and quickness. LSU was able to produce easy basket after easy basket. The Beavers hung around for a bit early but, as usually happens in a mismatch, the better team pulled away. Rebounds were a problem because LSU just reacted more quickly to get to the board as a team and also have a star player who can grab a lot of them. Granted, LSU is one of the best teams OSU will play this season and maybe the best with the possible exception of Stanford. To me it's more indicative of how far away the OSU program is from the elite status it had not long ago. I've already expressed my opinion on why earlier in the thread. |
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Post by osu82 on Dec 19, 2022 12:18:20 GMT -8
LSU FT average is 68%, and in this game they hit 92%. That's the kind of game it was for them and for OSU. For me this game was two halves of shooting. The middle two quarters and the first and last quarter. Middle two quarters LSU shot 24/41 for 59%, and 3/8 from the 3 for 38%. First and last quarter they shot 12/38 for 32%, and 1/13 from the 3 for 7%. So yes, OSU is able to defend LSU and their "athletic advantage". They just need to do it the whole game.And then also rebounds were a problem with LSU at 51 and OSU at 30. But with Timea in the game and Mit playing 34 minutes instead of 24 minutes that problem may also go away. And on the portal, if players don't go into the portal then OSU will do fine. It's the 4 players going into the portal that has been a problem. OSU has had other bad games and come back to great success. One bad game does not make a bad season. No. This reads like you just looked at the stats after the fact but didn't watch the game. There was a huge difference in athleticism at least when it comes to speed and quickness. LSU was able to produce easy basket after easy basket. The Beavers hung around for a bit early but, as usually happens in a mismatch, the better team pulled away. Rebounds were a problem because LSU just reacted more quickly to get to the board as a team and also have a star player who can grab a lot of them. Granted, LSU is one of the best teams OSU will play this season and maybe the best with the possible exception of Stanford. To me it's more indicative of how far away the OSU program is from the elite status it had not long ago. I've already expressed my opinion on why earlier in the thread. I mostly agree with this. I was quite surprised how easily LSU was able to score, particularly on the perimeter. Most of their 15-18 ft shots were basically uncontested, with the nearest defender at least a couple steps off the ball. It’s like they didn’t have the lateral quickness to cover the passing. Plus when LSU had the wide open shots, they knocked them down. It was a pretty poor defensive effort for a Rueck team, even given LSU’s athletic advantage. Also, recall that Nevada had 29 pts in that 4th quarter the game before. Lots of work to do on both sides of the ball. |
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Post by skyrider on Dec 19, 2022 13:16:31 GMT -8
I am having a difficult time determining what is the major shortcoming of the current women's basketball program at OSU.
Is it the lack of quality players (i.e. recruiting) or is it the failure of the players to develop(i.e. coaching) once they are recruited.
Something or somethings clearly are not present that were there in previous years.
I would appreciate feedback from the many knowledgeable Beaver fans who frequent this site as to (a) what they think the current problems are and (b) possible solutions.
Thank you! Go Beavs.
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Post by grayman on Dec 19, 2022 13:39:30 GMT -8
I am having a difficult time determining what is the major shortcoming of the current women's basketball program at OSU. Is it the lack of quality players (i.e. recruiting) or is it the failure of the players to develop(i.e. coaching) once they are recruited. Something or somethings clearly are not present that were there in previous years. I would appreciate feedback from the many knowledgeable Beaver fans who frequent this site as to (a) what they think the current problems are and (b) possible solutions. Thank you! Go Beavs. IMO it's a combination of factors. I don't believe Rueck's offensive philosophy is now viable if the program is to return to elite status. As I said earlier in the thread, Rueck tends to go back to the same types of players when recruiting. I just don't think someone like Mit is a good fit against athletic, fast teams that push the ball (and that's where college women's basketball has gone in recent years). He has not been able to land a real point guard since Slocum other than maybe Pietsch, who honestly seems like a backup-type player to me. But she definitely has gotten better in a short amount of time, so you never know. I will say I really like that he was able to land Beers, who I think will be an impact player for the Beavers, and Gardiner, if she lives up to her billing. I also like that he brought in Bendu and Aaron but need more out of both players moving forward (particularly Aaron). So I do think he's aware of the need to match up better with fast teams (I believe he's actually said this). But there's a long way to go in that department. It's not so much that something is now missing (other than shooting) from this team but that the game has changed around Rueck and his program and the adjustments have been very slow in coming. And I'm not convinced that he's ever going to go away from his philosophy, even if it pushes the program below the middle of the conference in coming years. |
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Post by norm on Dec 19, 2022 17:41:23 GMT -8
I am having a difficult time determining what is the major shortcoming of the current women's basketball program at OSU. Is it the lack of quality players (i.e. recruiting) or is it the failure of the players to develop(i.e. coaching) once they are recruited. Something or somethings clearly are not present that were there in previous years. I would appreciate feedback from the many knowledgeable Beaver fans who frequent this site as to (a) what they think the current problems are and (b) possible solutions. Thank you! Go Beavs. It’s definitely lack of Pac-12 level talent, with a little bit of youth sprinkled in. Rueck (like just about every coach) becomes a really good coach when he has a talented roster. At this level, when a coach doesn’t have enough talent, then they very quickly become an average coach. Bendu is one dimensional. She wasn’t asked back by AZ for a reason. Noelle is a great teammate with mid-major talent. If she is playing significant minutes, then we have a problem. Shallexus is showing exactly what she has been for 3-4 years prior and why she didn’t stick in her first go-around in the Pac-12 (on a bad team.). Every once in a while she will make a few shots. That’s about it. That represents our upper-class, veteran group. You simply don’t win at the highest level with that group and a bunch of inexperienced players. With that said, there is potential in the next couple of years. Talia, Reagan, Timea, Jelena, and AJ would be a great core. If a couple of the other freshman come along, we stop losing key players to the portal, and get a couple strong players in the 2023 class, we can be right back in the upper half relatively soon. |
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Post by sparty on Dec 19, 2022 18:27:55 GMT -8
A I am having a difficult time determining what is the major shortcoming of the current women's basketball program at OSU. Is it the lack of quality players (i.e. recruiting) or is it the failure of the players to develop(i.e. coaching) once they are recruited. Something or somethings clearly are not present that were there in previous years. I would appreciate feedback from the many knowledgeable Beaver fans who frequent this site as to (a) what they think the current problems are and (b) possible solutions. Thank you! Go Beavs. It’s definitely lack of Pac-12 level talent, with a little bit of youth sprinkled in. Rueck (like just about every coach) becomes a really good coach when he has a talented roster. At this level, when a coach doesn’t have enough talent, then they very quickly become an average coach. Bendu is one dimensional. She wasn’t asked back by AZ for a reason. Noelle is a great teammate with mid-major talent. If she is playing significant minutes, then we have a problem. Shallexus is showing exactly what she has been for 3-4 years prior and why she didn’t stick in her first go-around in the Pac-12 (on a bad team.). Every once in a while she will make a few shots. That’s about it. That represents our upper-class, veteran group. You simply don’t win at the highest level with that group and a bunch of inexperienced players. With that said, there is potential in the next couple of years. Talia, Reagan, Timea, Jelena, and AJ would be a great core. If a couple of the other freshman come along, we stop losing key players to the portal, and get a couple strong players in the 2023 class, we can be right back in the upper half relatively soon. "Bendu is one dimensional. She wasn’t asked back by AZ for a reason." And some thought she was going to be different than what she is. |
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 19, 2022 22:48:01 GMT -8
"Bendu is one dimensional. She wasn’t asked back by AZ for a reason." This is not true. She was asked back according to both Bendu and Barnes. She wanted to be where her family could see her play in her last year.
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