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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 14, 2022 18:23:50 GMT -8
More like kill the teams that pay kids that much our of high school. Many of them won't pan out and the investment will be wasted. And what, waste the booster money? None of the money is coming from schools. Not like the boosters will suddenly run out of money. It's just making college football pay-for-play free agency every year like the Uncle Phils of the world want. He is certainly not running out of money as long as people keep paying for Nike products made by children in Vietnamese sweatshops. There is a limit to all resources and it's all about money now. That includes boosters. You think they will keep dropping 2 million a year, likely an escalating scale, on high school kids that don't see the field? You think 2nd a string RB making a scholie and chump change will stick around a program when unproven kids are getting that kind of cash to ride the bench? I'm sure that kind of thing won't hurt team morale or create sour grapes. It's going to be detrimental to programs and it's gonna be great for successful programs with strong culture like us. Also I'm willing to bet 18 year olds with millions in the bank won't be as productive or successful as the guys that are hungry and working. I'm all for guys getting nice chunks for their work but these payments for us unproven talent that compete with professional contracts are absurd. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 14, 2022 21:05:32 GMT -8
And what, waste the booster money? None of the money is coming from schools. Not like the boosters will suddenly run out of money. It's just making college football pay-for-play free agency every year like the Uncle Phils of the world want. He is certainly not running out of money as long as people keep paying for Nike products made by children in Vietnamese sweatshops. That money is absolutely coming form the schools. Not directly, but indirectly - those same donors were previously donating to the programs to fund extravagant locker rooms, practice facilities, etc. They likely still still are, but now the donors can get direct credit for their donations, plus get tax write-offs, marketing promotions, etc via the NIL route. Still, rich people don't like wasting money, regardless of how much they have. When a kid makes that kind of money and doesn't pan out, donors will think twice and/or structure the deals to have performance-based payouts. Even pro teams pay very few rookies very handsomely, kids coming out of HS are a much bigger risk of not panning out. My guess is that the NIL payouts are in a bubble and the market will normalized to only a handful of 'can't miss' prospects able to command serious money (or the already-proven transfers). It's poaching of already proven kids that is gonna hurt schools like ours.....just like the Yankees, and Dodgers do. Let small market teams develop talent, and then lure em away with cash. As for Slovis, 10 TD's and 9 int's? His numbers have gotten progressively worse each season.......I mean I guess if he wants to come in and compete? I can't imagine he's worth much on the open market. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 14, 2022 21:18:55 GMT -8
That money is absolutely coming form the schools. Not directly, but indirectly - those same donors were previously donating to the programs to fund extravagant locker rooms, practice facilities, etc. They likely still still are, but now the donors can get direct credit for their donations, plus get tax write-offs, marketing promotions, etc via the NIL route. Still, rich people don't like wasting money, regardless of how much they have. When a kid makes that kind of money and doesn't pan out, donors will think twice and/or structure the deals to have performance-based payouts. Even pro teams pay very few rookies very handsomely, kids coming out of HS are a much bigger risk of not panning out. My guess is that the NIL payouts are in a bubble and the market will normalized to only a handful of 'can't miss' prospects able to command serious money (or the already-proven transfers). It's poaching of already proven kids that is gonna hurt schools like ours.....just like the Yankees, and Dodgers do. Let small market teams develop talent, and then lure em away with cash. As for Slovis, 10 TD's and 9 int's? His numbers have gotten progressively worse each season.......I mean I guess if he wants to come in and compete? I can't imagine he's worth much on the open market. Yup. We will lose some in time. If we keep a strong culture and can have middle of the road NIL well be alright. Speights considering staying is crazy. He will get a shot in the NFL and the only reason for him to stay is wanting one more year in the culture and to try to end big. From any paper logic staying is completely illogical. Emotionally he is committed to the program because the culture and buy in is there. |
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Post by ag87 on Dec 14, 2022 22:05:16 GMT -8
If I'm Slovis I'd salivate at a chance to come here. I don't remember exactly but a top 5 recruit out of hs. (maybe #1?) Injuries and underperformance and he's hoping for a NFL camp invite. He's got measurables but no results. OSU has frankly a weak starting qb. There's a good chance he would win the job and if he did well could project himself high up the qb draft board. We should offer him $20k and a chance to compete, in return we get 2% of lifetime NFL earnings.
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Post by irimi on Dec 14, 2022 22:09:43 GMT -8
More like kill the teams that pay kids that much our of high school. Many of them won't pan out and the investment will be wasted. And what, waste the booster money? None of the money is coming from schools. Not like the boosters will suddenly run out of money. It's just making college football pay-for-play free agency every year like the Uncle Phils of the world want. He is certainly not running out of money as long as people keep paying for Nike products made by children in Vietnamese sweatshops. Seriously. He dropped a ton on the election and didn’t bat an eye. I think everyone knows he wants his national championship before he dies. |
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Post by irimi on Dec 14, 2022 22:11:15 GMT -8
Just reading this on the net. You might want to spit up. · Dec 13 On NIL: “Ohio State missed out on a 5 star recruit because they could not pay him even half of what he was looking for. They didn’t get him over $750k.” “UGA offered the kid 1.8M to sign and 800k/season... OSU couldn't get him more than 500K” Hard to believe they couldn’t offer more…. |
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Post by bdc101 on Dec 15, 2022 8:24:17 GMT -8
And what, waste the booster money? None of the money is coming from schools. Not like the boosters will suddenly run out of money. It's just making college football pay-for-play free agency every year like the Uncle Phils of the world want. He is certainly not running out of money as long as people keep paying for Nike products made by children in Vietnamese sweatshops. Seriously. He dropped a ton on the election and didn’t bat an eye. I think everyone knows he wants his national championship before he dies. This is the guy who dropped $42 million on the Jock Box, a glorious, luxurious building for tutoring athletes, which normal students are not allowed inside. This building has literally no purpose other than attracting recruits to come and play for UO. You think Uncle Phil is going to be upset when a recruit he paid $2 million dollars for doesn't work out? Not a chance. The guy literally has unlimited money and wants nothing more than UO to win a championship before he dies.
And every blue blood, or wannabe blue blood school has an Uncle Phil.
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Post by bdc101 on Dec 15, 2022 10:00:13 GMT -8
It's poaching of already proven kids that is gonna hurt schools like ours.....just like the Yankees, and Dodgers do. Let small market teams develop talent, and then lure em away with cash. As for Slovis, 10 TD's and 9 int's? His numbers have gotten progressively worse each season.......I mean I guess if he wants to come in and compete? I can't imagine he's worth much on the open market. Yup. We will lose some in time. If we keep a strong culture and can have middle of the road NIL well be alright. Speights considering staying is crazy. He will get a shot in the NFL and the only reason for him to stay is wanting one more year in the culture and to try to end big. From any paper logic staying is completely illogical. Emotionally he is committed to the program because the culture and buy in is there.
I am reading into things, but I think that you nailed what is Coach's vision for our program. At least I believe that is where he is taking the football program.
The boosters can offer recruits big time money -- and it's crazy that we are seeing $2 million dollars/yr offers to kids out of high school or in the transfer portal. That isn't going to change. Those kids are probably still going to go to Georgia and Ohio and LSU and Alabama. I guarantee we haven't seen the market top out on dollar values yet either.
But what we CAN offer is the player development, and I think Coach proved that this year. Some kids, maybe the ones who aren't offered a million bucks out of high school or the portal, will be looking for a space where they can come and play on a decent team and become draftable in a good development environment. Maybe we can count on kids wanting to play in the NFL more than they want to make an immediate NIL payday. We have good coaching and good culture which is producing really darn good O-linemen, running backs, and others. (Surprisingly not QBs given our head coach's background.)
Unfortunately we won't know if or how this strategy works because nobody knows how much these kids are getting paid at OSU or anywhere else. For all we know, when Speights was offered 6 figures to go play at Pitt last year, we just plain outbid them.
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Post by badwack on Dec 15, 2022 12:11:32 GMT -8
This NIL money without some kind of controls looks like a train wreck for many Teams. You want to wreck a Team try paying Johnny QB a Million with mediocre results and see how the line likes working for Johnny QB. Have fun trying to keep that team playing hard and happy. Let's Go Johnny QB!
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 15, 2022 13:44:50 GMT -8
This NIL money without some kind of controls looks like a train wreck for many Teams. You want to wreck a Team try paying Johnny QB a Million with mediocre results and see how the line likes working for Johnny QB. Have fun trying to keep that team playing hard and happy. Let's Go Johnny QB! Or Johnny QB is slacking off and 3rd string bragging about his 'drip'. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 15, 2022 13:55:50 GMT -8
It's poaching of already proven kids that is gonna hurt schools like ours.....just like the Yankees, and Dodgers do. Let small market teams develop talent, and then lure em away with cash. As for Slovis, 10 TD's and 9 int's? His numbers have gotten progressively worse each season.......I mean I guess if he wants to come in and compete? I can't imagine he's worth much on the open market. Yup. We will lose some in time. If we keep a strong culture and can have middle of the road NIL well be alright. Speights considering staying is crazy. He will get a shot in the NFL and the only reason for him to stay is wanting one more year in the culture and to try to end big. From any paper logic staying is completely illogical. Emotionally he is committed to the program because the culture and buy in is there. Yep. And I think the culture is set as long as JS is at OSU and he can retain a strong staff. The Beavers should be middle of the road when it comes to NIL and that will enable Smith to build some as far as going after 4-star guys. I actually don't see the NIL situation hurting the Oregon States of the college football world in recruiting all that much because the program should always be in the mix for plenty of 3-star types. The potential issue is retention, but that's where the culture comes into play. I can only hope that the powers that be eventually put parameters on poaching that will keep it under control. But I also believe that most kids that buy into Smith and the OSU program will tend to stay. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 15, 2022 15:22:06 GMT -8
Yup. We will lose some in time. If we keep a strong culture and can have middle of the road NIL well be alright. Speights considering staying is crazy. He will get a shot in the NFL and the only reason for him to stay is wanting one more year in the culture and to try to end big. From any paper logic staying is completely illogical. Emotionally he is committed to the program because the culture and buy in is there. Yep. And I think the culture is set as long as JS is at OSU and he can retain a strong staff. The Beavers should be middle of the road when it comes to NIL and that will enable Smith to build some as far as going after 4-star guys. I actually don't see the NIL situation hurting the Oregon States of the college football world in recruiting all that much because the program should always be in the mix for plenty of 3-star types. The potential issue is retention, but that's where the culture comes into play. I can only hope that the powers that be eventually put parameters on poaching that will keep it under control. But I also believe that most kids that buy into Smith and the OSU program will tend to stay. People like money. We've had kids leave for the NFL draft early so they can be 4th-7th round draft picks. Now kids can go play for "National Power X" for the same $$. Culture or no culture, $$$$$ is real. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 15, 2022 15:35:34 GMT -8
Yes, big money runs the show. And I'm not saying the Beavers will never lose out on a player because some team gives him a better offer.
Like I said, I hope at least some parameters will be put in place so teams can't just poach from other programs without at least meeting some requirements. Best case is everyone agrees to put rules in to stop it entirely.
I'm just hoping that clearer minds prevail in this. If OSU looks like it's relegated to 1- and 2-star recruits, then I'll probably be a little more Chicken Little about the situation.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 15, 2022 16:19:20 GMT -8
Yep. And I think the culture is set as long as JS is at OSU and he can retain a strong staff. The Beavers should be middle of the road when it comes to NIL and that will enable Smith to build some as far as going after 4-star guys. I actually don't see the NIL situation hurting the Oregon States of the college football world in recruiting all that much because the program should always be in the mix for plenty of 3-star types. The potential issue is retention, but that's where the culture comes into play. I can only hope that the powers that be eventually put parameters on poaching that will keep it under control. But I also believe that most kids that buy into Smith and the OSU program will tend to stay. People like money. We've had kids leave for the NFL draft early so they can be 4th-7th round draft picks. Now kids can go play for "National Power X" for the same $$. Culture or no culture, $$$$$ is real. What I find interesting is that we've got kids like Grant and Kipper, who didn't go pro, and Speights, who is considering putting off going pro, largely in part because they think OSU is becoming a national power and they want to be a part of it. It will be interesting to see how that translates into recruiting and retention in the future. There will be kids searching for the best offer, but there hopefully are other kids out there searching for the best "situation", outside of just financials, for their college experience. To some extent, if the team keeps improving, the money for those players, whether it be pro money or NIL, may improve as well. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 15, 2022 17:36:18 GMT -8
Yup. We will lose some in time. If we keep a strong culture and can have middle of the road NIL well be alright. Speights considering staying is crazy. He will get a shot in the NFL and the only reason for him to stay is wanting one more year in the culture and to try to end big. From any paper logic staying is completely illogical. Emotionally he is committed to the program because the culture and buy in is there. Yep. And I think the culture is set as long as JS is at OSU and he can retain a strong staff. The Beavers should be middle of the road when it comes to NIL and that will enable Smith to build some as far as going after 4-star guys. I actually don't see the NIL situation hurting the Oregon States of the college football world in recruiting all that much because the program should always be in the mix for plenty of 3-star types. The potential issue is retention, but that's where the culture comes into play. I can only hope that the powers that be eventually put parameters on poaching that will keep it under control. But I also believe that most kids that buy into Smith and the OSU program will tend to stay. Restrictions to 1 free transfer portal move will help. |
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