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Post by ag87 on Dec 9, 2022 9:58:06 GMT -8
I'm not a soccer fan. The whole thing of penalty kicks confuses me. It's like if the football game is tied we will have the field goal kickers do a contest to see who wins. So, I'd like some comments on possibly stupid thoughts. Could the dimensions of the goal be enlarged after an overtime? It would make goal scoring easier. Could the teams only use nine to a side at some point? If the tie is not broken, then go to seven? There must be a better way to decide a winner than the current method.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 9, 2022 10:50:33 GMT -8
I'm not a soccer fan. The whole thing of penalty kicks confuses me. It's like if the football game is tied we will have the field goal kickers do a contest to see who wins. So, I'd like some comments on possibly stupid thoughts. Could the dimensions of the goal be enlarged after an overtime? It would make goal scoring easier. Could the teams only use nine to a side at some point? If the tie is not broken, then go to seven? There must be a better way to decide a winner than the current method. We essentially have penalty kicks in college football after the 2nd OT. Beginning with the 3rd OT, it's just 2 point conversion tries. Very similar to soccer now. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 9, 2022 10:53:11 GMT -8
It is kind of amazing that the folks who really love the sport haven’t invented a better way. The best way of course is to reduce the amount of 0-0 and 1-1 ties by rule changes that create more goals. I can’t see how another couple goals per match would be detrimental to the sport.
But I’m only a moderate soccer fan. I enjoy the sport but often find it frustrating.
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Post by ag87 on Dec 9, 2022 10:59:00 GMT -8
I'm not a soccer fan. The whole thing of penalty kicks confuses me. It's like if the football game is tied we will have the field goal kickers do a contest to see who wins. So, I'd like some comments on possibly stupid thoughts. Could the dimensions of the goal be enlarged after an overtime? It would make goal scoring easier. Could the teams only use nine to a side at some point? If the tie is not broken, then go to seven? There must be a better way to decide a winner than the current method. We essentially have penalty kicks in college football after the 2nd OT. Beginning with the 3rd OT, it's just 2 point conversion tries. Very similar to soccer now. I somewhat agree. Ties are not the end of the world. For college football, I'd allow three overtimes. Teams could go for one or two after a TD. Except for a playoff game, if there is a tie at that point, the game ends tied. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 9, 2022 12:11:27 GMT -8
I'm not a soccer fan. The whole thing of penalty kicks confuses me. It's like if the football game is tied we will have the field goal kickers do a contest to see who wins. So, I'd like some comments on possibly stupid thoughts. Could the dimensions of the goal be enlarged after an overtime? It would make goal scoring easier. Could the teams only use nine to a side at some point? If the tie is not broken, then go to seven? There must be a better way to decide a winner than the current method. It is not like that, at all! It's like a better version of the current NCAA overtime system after the second overtime. I give you the 2015 Western Conference Quarterfinal between the Timbers and Sporting Kansas City: You have 120 minutes to avoid penalties. If you can't break the tie, then it goes to penalties. Great system. Not as good as baseball or basketball, but it's hard to top the drama of an 11-round shootout! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 9, 2022 12:27:51 GMT -8
I'm not a soccer fan. The whole thing of penalty kicks confuses me. It's like if the football game is tied we will have the field goal kickers do a contest to see who wins. So, I'd like some comments on possibly stupid thoughts. Could the dimensions of the goal be enlarged after an overtime? It would make goal scoring easier. Could the teams only use nine to a side at some point? If the tie is not broken, then go to seven? There must be a better way to decide a winner than the current method. It is not like that, at all! It's like a better version of the current NCAA overtime system after the second overtime. I give you the 2015 Western Conference Quarterfinal between the Timbers and Sporting Kansas City: You have 120 minutes to avoid penalties. If you can't break the tie, then it goes to penalties. Great system. Not as good as baseball or basketball, but it's hard to top the drama of an 11-round shootout! 11 rounds of coin flipping or rock/scissors/paper would be pretty dramatic too. |
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Post by messi on Dec 9, 2022 14:33:20 GMT -8
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Post by irimi on Dec 9, 2022 14:42:56 GMT -8
I'm not a soccer fan. The whole thing of penalty kicks confuses me. It's like if the football game is tied we will have the field goal kickers do a contest to see who wins. So, I'd like some comments on possibly stupid thoughts. Could the dimensions of the goal be enlarged after an overtime? It would make goal scoring easier. Could the teams only use nine to a side at some point? If the tie is not broken, then go to seven? There must be a better way to decide a winner than the current method. You have to remember that they have already gone through 90 minutes of game time with stoppage time pushing that closer to 100. Then a 30 minute period of play before deciding by penalty kicks. And really it isn’t much different from a close basketball game coming down to free throws. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 9, 2022 14:54:26 GMT -8
Regular-season hockey goes to 4-on-4 in OT, then a shootout if the score remains tied. The increase amount of open ice almost always leads to a goal. So maybe go 9 v 9 in OT.
Also, decree that an attacker's entire body must be beyond the final defender for offside to be called. Some apparent goals in the WC have been negated because half or 1/4 of an attacker's body was offside under the current rules.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 9, 2022 15:51:56 GMT -8
I've always found it funny that people are so averse to ties.
Obviously, in a playoff, you MUST decide a winner.
Penalty kicks are no worse than the "Kansas Plan" that NCAA football has been using for the past couple of decades.
Baseball obviously is a sport that lends itself to the most obvious "tiebreaker" system.
I have always liked the NFL system, of course now that offenses are so much more potent than they were when the system was adopted in 1974, it's nice that they changed it from "sudden death", although I do disagree with the reduction to a 10 minute OT period. Once the 2-point conversion was added to the NFL, it became a lot more likely for regulation games to end it ties than it was before then.
Unless you keep playing until the game is untied, every sport has to do SOMETHING to keep a playoff game from going on forever. In a sport that can often go through a full game and OT without a single score, soccer REALLY needs an out.
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Post by messi on Dec 9, 2022 19:56:18 GMT -8
We can always bring back the old Major League Soccer 35 yard shootout. - Attacking player gets 5 seconds to get a shot off, and only 3 touches to score.
- Goal keeper gets to come off the line, and can use the hands within the penalty area
Of course MLS did away with this, because the purists saw it as an American bastardization of the Beautiful Game, and it was gone in 1999. But if we were to have a World Cup or Euro where there were numerous penalty shootouts in the knockout rounds (basically all but a couple), then something like this may be tempting for the losing sides to consider as the alternative going forward.
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Post by irimi on Dec 9, 2022 21:57:38 GMT -8
We can always bring back the old Major League Soccer 35 yard shootout. - Attacking player gets 5 seconds to get a shot off, and only 3 touches to score.
- Goal keeper gets to come off the line, and can use the hands within the penalty area
Of course MLS did away with this, because the purists saw it as an American bastardization of the Beautiful Game, and it was gone in 1999. But if we were to have a World Cup or Euro where there were numerous penalty shootouts in the knockout rounds (basically all but a couple), then something like this may be tempting for the losing sides to consider as the alternative going forward.
Fascinating. Which do yout think is easier for the goalie? I actually think this “bastardization” is more interesting to watch. |
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Post by messi on Dec 10, 2022 11:28:37 GMT -8
We can always bring back the old Major League Soccer 35 yard shootout. - Attacking player gets 5 seconds to get a shot off, and only 3 touches to score.
- Goal keeper gets to come off the line, and can use the hands within the penalty area
Of course MLS did away with this, because the purists saw it as an American bastardization of the Beautiful Game, and it was gone in 1999. But if we were to have a World Cup or Euro where there were numerous penalty shootouts in the knockout rounds (basically all but a couple), then something like this may be tempting for the losing sides to consider as the alternative going forward.
Fascinating. Which do yout think is easier for the goalie? I actually think this “bastardization” is more interesting to watch. The 35 yard shootout is much easier for the goal keeper, due to being allowed to come off the line and cut down on the angles. And because the attacking player only has 5 seconds to shoot, if he were to go wide and try to shoot around the keeper coming out, he runs the risk of running out of time before getting the shot off. This uses less guessing for each player, and instead relies on skills and awareness. But like you said, it is more interesting to watch, kind of similar to hockey penalty shootouts. |
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