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Post by skyrider on Nov 28, 2022 14:11:08 GMT -8
I am beginning to seriously question whether most players like to play for a coach that seems to over control all the offensive plays so much. Granted it worked well for several years, but it appears for the past few years that (a) several of the top players do not like it that well and have moved on to other programs, and (b) we are not getting the necessary talent to compete for the top of the conference. I like Coach Rueck and everything he has done for the program, but it seems to me that he is not getting and developing the caliber of players that he was for the first several years of his program.
His offense is heavily based on 3 point shooting, yet we have been terrible at it recently. Also his offense seems to depend heavily on talented tall post players that have improved significantly each year. That does not seem to happening as well.
You watch the games and so often the players seem to be over-thinking everything and playing "tight".
I hope he is able to adapt and move forward, but I have my doubts. What do others Beaver fans think?
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 28, 2022 15:09:03 GMT -8
I am beginning to seriously question whether most players like to play for a coach that seems to over control all the offensive plays so much. Granted it worked well for several years, but it appears for the past few years that (a) several of the top players do not like it that well and have moved on to other programs, and (b) we are not getting the necessary talent to compete for the top of the conference. I like Coach Rueck and everything he has done for the program, but it seems to me that he is not getting and developing the caliber of players that he was for the first several years of his program.
His offense is heavily based on 3 point shooting, yet we have been terrible at it recently. Also his offense seems to depend heavily on talented tall post players that have improved significantly each year. That does not seem to happening as well.
You watch the games and so often the players seem to be over-thinking everything and playing "tight".
I hope he is able to adapt and move forward, but I have my doubts. What do others Beaver fans think? Given your prediction for the Civil War football game, I'm taking your opinion as just that - your opinion. "Currently ranked higher than we probably deserve""..perhaps in one of these years everything will break just right and we could go to perhaps 9 or even 10 wins." bennyshouse.com/post/304174One of these years - LOL.
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Post by grayman on Nov 29, 2022 15:24:54 GMT -8
I think it's best to wait and see how this season pans out. I don't agree with the idea that Rueck has not been able to recruit to OSU...his recent classes have been pretty good on paper. Several of those recruits have left, though. I want to see if he's able to shape this group into a competitive team (at the Pac-12 level). The last two games are not a good sign, but the team is young, still missing Timea and it looks like Rueck is still figuring out how to use his personnel (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now). If it all falls apart and maybe more players leave, then I think Rueck is absolutely fair game for some serious questions and criticism. I hope it doesn't get to that point.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Nov 29, 2022 16:11:23 GMT -8
I've pointed this out before, but I am actually quite concerned about what has changed on our bench since the "glory days".... Back when Katie Baker/Faulkner etc. were on the bench, we had tremendous energy and engagement between the assistants and the players. I see the current crop and think "there are caffeinated brands of coffee too!". Did anyone else notice when they were talking about the Duke assistant and flashed to her as the players were coming off the court for a media TO, she was out on the court pumping up all the players, high fiving, imparting energy. I don't see that these days from our bench. SR is not a demonstrative person (annoying habit of getting Technicals at the wrong moment aside , and so that crop of assistants really helped boost the bench energy. I completely understand we weren't going to be able to keep Katie forever (and we were probably well served in losing that guy that went to the 'ucks), but when we revamped the Assistant coaches, the energy difference was immediately obvious. To Deven and Jenny's credit, they are actually more energetic this year than last, but that comment should almost scare us more than be taken as praise. And note that we had some real "characters" on the team in year's past like Syd/Aleah that really helped amp up the energy that seem to still be emerging on this team..... Don't know what the answer is, mind you. Go Beavers!
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Post by finleybandbeav on Nov 29, 2022 16:58:41 GMT -8
I don't want disagree (or not) - I just think it's way too early to draw sweeping conclusions about this season based on little evidence. There are several new players who are adjusting to this level of game. They are not 10% 3-pt. shooters and will not remain so.
The idea behind these early games is to get ready for conference play. Let's see how it plays out over the next month. Wins some games, continue to gel, get the confidence up with the newer players and some of the veterans who are now thrust into bigger roles.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Nov 29, 2022 17:04:57 GMT -8
Don't forget that before Katie he had Mandy on the bench. That is when he started allowing an assistant coach to work the bench so he could devote his attention to what is going on on the court. For some reason this has not been happening the last couple years.
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 29, 2022 18:53:26 GMT -8
I wouldn’t read too much into what happens during games on the sidelines. 95% of coaching happens outside of the game. Even in-game coaching is generally going to be reminders of something done in practice of nuances about oppositions tendencies. Players bring their own competitive drive and energy, if that’s needed from the bench, something’s wrong. When that’s demonstrate by a coach, it’s probably more just that coaches persona rather than actually benefitting the players much.
What we can judge is if what’s been practices translates to an effective game plan, and I agree that the quality of what’s practiced may indeed not be what it used to be. We did have two future HCs previously as assistants, and I suspect that’s not currently true (one was briefly a HC before, but not of significant success).
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Nov 29, 2022 21:13:12 GMT -8
I think recruiting plays a big part as well -- particularly evaluations. The level of talent simply does not seem to be where it was 2-3 seasons ago (and further back, of course). There's definitely talent on this team, but I'm not sure who besides Talia, Raegan, and possibly Bendu (and Jelena on the teams that needed a big) would have logged a lot of minutes on OSU teams excluding this year and last years teams. Hopefully Donovyn and Kennedie will bring immediate impact, but I really think its important we land a really good 2024 class.
Hopefully Timea will be cleared soon. I think her skill set will be impactful and needed for this team.
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Post by rafer on Nov 30, 2022 10:46:22 GMT -8
I think recruiting plays a big part as well -- particularly evaluations. The level of talent simply does not seem to be where it was 2-3 seasons ago (and further back, of course). There's definitely talent on this team, but I'm not sure who besides Talia, Raegan, and possibly Bendu (and Jelena on the teams that needed a big) would have logged a lot of minutes on OSU teams excluding this year and last years teams. Hopefully Donovyn and Kennedie will bring immediate impact, but I really think its important we land a really good 2024 class. Hopefully Timea will be cleared soon. I think her skill set will be impactful and needed for this team. Timea, crickets.... Something is a little fishy there me thinks. Seems to be more than a little issue? The longer it goes the less likely we'll see her, something feels hay wire, more serious than a little thing. If not by mid, to later December, I'd bet not this year, if ever...
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Post by wbosh15 on Nov 30, 2022 12:08:18 GMT -8
I think recruiting plays a big part as well -- particularly evaluations. The level of talent simply does not seem to be where it was 2-3 seasons ago (and further back, of course). There's definitely talent on this team, but I'm not sure who besides Talia, Raegan, and possibly Bendu (and Jelena on the teams that needed a big) would have logged a lot of minutes on OSU teams excluding this year and last years teams. Hopefully Donovyn and Kennedie will bring immediate impact, but I really think its important we land a really good 2024 class. Hopefully Timea will be cleared soon. I think her skill set will be impactful and needed for this team. Timea, crickets.... Something is a little fishy there me thinks. Seems to be more than a little issue? The longer it goes the less likely we'll see her, something feels hay wire, more serious than a little thing. If not by mid, to later December, I'd bet not this year, if ever... Eggers insinuates it's going to be January in this article. www.kerryeggers.com/stories/its-a-full-day-of-basketball-and-pilots-steal-the-show
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Post by grayman on Nov 30, 2022 12:18:31 GMT -8
Well, that's good news if Eggers is right. It will help to get Timea on the court, but from what I've seen so far, she's going to walk into a complete mess. Rueck and the Beavers have a month to find some sort of positive continuity on offense. If they get things on track, it will make Timea's transition to college ball much easier.
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 30, 2022 17:22:16 GMT -8
Well, that's good news if Eggers is right. It will help to get Timea on the court, but from what I've seen so far, she's going to walk into a complete mess. Rueck and the Beavers have a month to find some sort of positive continuity on offense. If they get things on track, it will make Timea's transition to college ball much easier. First time I’ve seen any timeline on Gardiner at all, nice to see something finally.
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Post by greybeav on Nov 30, 2022 18:01:32 GMT -8
Eggers is so far ahead of most the local sports writers, nice to hear from him, long article too, thorough.
He always seems to know a little more inside info, he was the one that told us Andrea had a heart issue, everyone else was clueless. I tend to trust what he says, but we never got confirmation about Andrea, but no one denied it either, or tried to correct him. Just random thoughts. I hope he is wrong, or off a little and Timea is back sooner.
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Post by beavdowg on Dec 1, 2022 8:22:56 GMT -8
I have been concerned about the women's bball program for a couple years now. At this point, I'd say just that fact that this thread exists tells us that something is not right within the program. We had tremendous success for several years and it has fallen far short for, what, 3 years now? The point that we were at with program wins and the level we were recruiting at-top 10 in the country- was pointing that we were approaching elite status. We are no where near that anymore. It's super disappointing as I was a massive Rueck fan. I'm not sure if we just simply caught lightening in a bottle for 3 years with Syd and that crew and Rueck's system was new enough to the existing coaches that they hadn't figured it out yet, but maybe coaches figured him out and perhaps his controlling style just isn't attractive to elite recruits when it's not paired w/ lots of wins. I have zero insider knowledge but I contend again that I will be surprised if we return to the level we played at and recruited at just 2-3 years ago with the way things are going. Huge bummer as it was a big, big source of pride for Beaver Nation. Maybe Reuck can pivot, adapt, etc. and get back to championship ways but I'm just not feeling confident anymore.
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Post by grayman on Dec 1, 2022 19:59:28 GMT -8
Eggers is so far ahead of most the local sports writers, nice to hear from him, long article too, thorough. He always seems to know a little more inside info, he was the one that told us Andrea had a heart issue, everyone else was clueless. I tend to trust what he says, but we never got confirmation about Andrea, but no one denied it either, or tried to correct him. Just random thoughts. I hope he is wrong, or off a little and Timea is back sooner. Quite a few people knew this for a long time. Aquino did not want to go on the record to reporters or fans, but it was out there anyway. If one wanted the info, all that was needed was to ask the right people. Eggers just chose to write it. Nobody was clueless. Not sure why some praise Eggers for this while others on this board push the idea that all injuries, etc. are none of our business. Just to be clear, I like Eggers. I'm just not sure this was his finest moment.
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