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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 28, 2022 23:13:48 GMT -8
It was frustrating to watch. Ugly 3s being thrown up. And we were one shot attempt and done. But we kept going back to it for miss after miss after miss. Why aren’t we driving to the basket, drawing fouls and getting the three point the old fashioned way? Analytics. Someone figured out that if you shoot 33% on 3’s that’s as good as shooting 50% on 2’s and nobody every looked back. It would be one thing, if Oregon State shot 30.4% or better from three, but 28% is not going to get it done. Your post is very succinct but, unfortunately sums up what basketball is or is becoming. Baseketba11 never got the concept. I think that he was badmouthing Jarod Lucas for *only* shooting 38.9% from beyond the arc. 38.9% is great! That is like shooting 58.3% from inside the arc. Baseketba11 could not or refused to comprehend the concept. Very straightforward, though. |
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Post by nabeav on Nov 28, 2022 23:49:58 GMT -8
Lucas could shoot, I’ll give him that.
Unfortunately a lot of negatives came with that shooting it would seem.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 29, 2022 4:46:54 GMT -8
The ID is youth. They're inconsistent. Pope is a good one, I think we can build around guys like him. Bilodeau looks a little raw, but I think he showed some promise this weekend, hitting some outside jumpers and his effort is always there. Like someone else said, we didn't get much from Akanno and Taylor, and we need more consistency from our "veteran" players. Taylor needs to develop his game a little bit, doesn't seem to have a plan b when the defense stops the drive. I noticed him trying to dump the ball off a few times, but his passes weren't crisp and/or guys weren't expecting them. I think you'll see games all year where we hang tough with and/or beat teams we shouldn't, and then lose head scratchers like the PSU game. Agree 100% that the offense looks stagnant. Pope seems to be one of the only guys capable of creating himself or someone else a good look at the hoop. I like Rataj and Krass and Stevens as pieces, but they just need more time to develop. Still playing a little bit like they're unsure if they belong at this level. No perimeter offense. The Beavers ranked third in the Pac-12 shooting inside the arc (behind Arizona and UCLA) but are dead last in shooting beyond the arc. No outside threat at all. Great at getting to the line and scoring at the line. Perimeter offense is non-existent. Fourth-lowest assist to turnover differential in the Pac-12 also says a lot. Fourth-worst perimeter defense. Fifth-best defense inside the arc. As far as players, Jordan Pope, Rodrigue Andela, Tyler Bilodeau, Michael Rataj, and Dzmitry Ryuny have all played great so far. Taylor has not played well. Akanno has played worse. Akanno needs to become a real offensive threat, or he needs to sit. He misses way too many shots. Krass and Stevens need to improve before they soak up meaningful minutes. You didn't bring him up, but I will Chol Marial is a defensive beast, but he is an even bigger offensive liability. He needs to develop some kind of offensive threat, if Oregon State is going to start winning again. Agree that Akanno needs to pick up his game, but have a hard time seeing who steps in if you sit him. He played pretty well in first couple games. I actually posted that I wasn’t impressed with him last year, but that he looks much improved. I might have spoke to soon. But with the two guards out injured, Beavs are kind of stuck with him. As you point out, Krass isn’t ready for prime time. And they need another ball handler out there. I do think Taylor’s struggles are negatively impacting Akanno. With Taylor not supplying consistent offensive firepower, I think as a veteran, he thinks he needs to step up offensively. Unfortunately that is a role for which he isn’t really suited. They really need to get Taylor going. If been calling for Tunkle to run more action to free up some space for Taylor, and I just hasn’t happened. I’m curious if there are people on the board who are close enough to team that they know things like who are putting in the extra time to improve their games. Hey, I get that these kids work hard, but you routinely hear about players who take the next step as far as improvement do so because of off season dedication. You used to hear it about Tres Tinkle. At Illinois this year, Terrance Shannon, Jr’s shooting has greatly improved. Why? Could have something to do with him reportedly getting up every morning at 4:45 during the off season and making (not just taking) 1,000 shots. Maybe that’s taking things to the extreme, but it really doesn’t appear that Taylor or Akanno worked enough on their shooting to make an impact this season. Or maybe they have and just will never be good shooters. I do know that having a player or two — especially those that you need to be leaders — putting in that extra time can be contagious and really impact the team’s culture. |
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Post by 86BEAVER on Nov 29, 2022 4:58:51 GMT -8
Ralph must be spinning in his grave; not only losing to Portland State, but twice in a month's time!
When does baseball start?
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Post by william44 on Nov 29, 2022 6:18:33 GMT -8
His offense is designed for His Son and the Thompson Brothers. All of them could shoot and score at the basket. We have very little motion and Jack up bad threes or turn ball over. Portland States pressure defense likely goes way beyond Ralph Millers pressure defense.
You must move and screen and cut to the basket. Low post just clogs it all up.
I think we are in for a sub 500 year. We definitely are the worst major in the state.
Likely we could include Washington as well. 2 years ago seems like an eternity. I do not see us playing good defense which they did.
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Post by irimi on Nov 29, 2022 7:56:43 GMT -8
It was frustrating to watch. Ugly 3s being thrown up. And we were one shot attempt and done. But we kept going back to it for miss after miss after miss. Why aren’t we driving to the basket, drawing fouls and getting the three point the old fashioned way? Analytics. Someone figured out that if you shoot 33% on 3’s that’s as good as shooting 50% on 2’s and nobody every looked back. To me, it looks like you’re playing scared, afraid to go toe-to-toe with your opponent. That’s what the PSU game looked like. Meanwhile, PSU takes the ball in, curls around our defender for the lay up. Easy 2 points. In that game, not only did we shoot poorly, but defense was slow. I know it’s early in the year, but I can’t help but wonder if Tinkle has lost this team, too. How else do you explain the stark contrast between Duke and PSU games? |
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 29, 2022 8:40:54 GMT -8
Analytics. Someone figured out that if you shoot 33% on 3’s that’s as good as shooting 50% on 2’s and nobody every looked back. To me, it looks like you’re playing scared, afraid to go toe-to-toe with your opponent. That’s what the PSU game looked like. Meanwhile, PSU takes the ball in, curls around our defender for the lay up. Easy 2 points. In that game, not only did we shoot poorly, but defense was slow. I know it’s early in the year, but I can’t help but wonder if Tinkle has lost this team, too. How else do you explain the stark contrast between Duke and PSU games? Young team playing 3 games in 4 days could have played into it. Add in that two players who had been averaging 33+ minutes combined played a total of 7 minutes, and could make for a lack of energy. And that’s what we saw early on. Not making excuses for them, but wouldn’t jump to the conclusion he’s lost the team already. |
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Post by nabeav on Nov 29, 2022 8:43:24 GMT -8
Analytics. Someone figured out that if you shoot 33% on 3’s that’s as good as shooting 50% on 2’s and nobody every looked back. To me, it looks like you’re playing scared, afraid to go toe-to-toe with your opponent. That’s what the PSU game looked like. Meanwhile, PSU takes the ball in, curls around our defender for the lay up. Easy 2 points. In that game, not only did we shoot poorly, but defense was slow. I know it’s early in the year, but I can’t help but wonder if Tinkle has lost this team, too. How else do you explain the stark contrast between Duke and PSU games? That may be your perception, but Portland State actually took a larger percentage of their shots (37.5%) from 3 than we did (32.7%) The problem more lay in the fact that they also hit 37.5% of their 3's, whereas we only hit 25%. They also took 15 more shots overall than we did. We aren't that out of line with most programs in the terms of shot selection. The problem lies in the fact that we don't make any of them. |
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Post by irimi on Nov 29, 2022 11:08:19 GMT -8
To me, it looks like you’re playing scared, afraid to go toe-to-toe with your opponent. That’s what the PSU game looked like. Meanwhile, PSU takes the ball in, curls around our defender for the lay up. Easy 2 points. In that game, not only did we shoot poorly, but defense was slow. I know it’s early in the year, but I can’t help but wonder if Tinkle has lost this team, too. How else do you explain the stark contrast between Duke and PSU games? Young team playing 3 games in 4 days could have played into it. Add in that two players who had been averaging 33+ minutes combined played a total of 7 minutes, and could make for a lack of energy. And that’s what we saw early on. Not making excuses for them, but wouldn’t jump to the conclusion he’s lost the team already. Good. I was hoping I was just shell-shocked and bitter about last year. |
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Post by irimi on Nov 29, 2022 11:10:08 GMT -8
To me, it looks like you’re playing scared, afraid to go toe-to-toe with your opponent. That’s what the PSU game looked like. Meanwhile, PSU takes the ball in, curls around our defender for the lay up. Easy 2 points. In that game, not only did we shoot poorly, but defense was slow. I know it’s early in the year, but I can’t help but wonder if Tinkle has lost this team, too. How else do you explain the stark contrast between Duke and PSU games? That may be your perception, but Portland State actually took a larger percentage of their shots (37.5%) from 3 than we did (32.7%) The problem more lay in the fact that they also hit 37.5% of their 3's, whereas we only hit 25%. They also took 15 more shots overall than we did. We aren't that out of line with most programs in the terms of shot selection. The problem lies in the fact that we don't make any of them. Sure. I tuned in after halftime and didn't stick around for the end. The stretch I watched was just too painful. We were being outplayed and out-hustled. |
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