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TVO
Oct 27, 2022 12:18:14 GMT -8
Post by grayman on Oct 27, 2022 12:18:14 GMT -8
Watching the Pac-12 women's basketball media days, it struck me how much TVO is looking like Pivec as far as body type, especially when you look back at TVO in her first season at OSU during what was essentially her senior year in high school.
Some change is to be expected, but it's pretty noticeable in TVO's case. She clearly has been putting in the gym and overall conditioning work.
I know some people noticed a change going into last season, but it seems even more evident now. I've always compared TVO to Pivec as far as strength and ability to use it to take the ball inside, but it looks like the comparison could be even more apt now (and TVO already has better shooting range).
I believe she is ready for a true breakout season and will fit in perfectly as primarily a 2 in SR's system.
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TVO
Oct 27, 2022 12:39:18 GMT -8
Post by willtalk on Oct 27, 2022 12:39:18 GMT -8
Looking at Pivec now it appears she has spent more time in the gym. She looks to have buffed out even more. Her legs especially.
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Post by beaveragain on Oct 27, 2022 18:40:44 GMT -8
I think TVO is a more physical player than Pivec is even now. TVO is willing to use her strength against opposing players while Pivec has always been more a finesse player. Pivec finds the angle for the open shot while TVO muscles her way straight to the basket. My thoughts anyway.
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TVO
Oct 27, 2022 19:28:44 GMT -8
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Post by grad1973 on Oct 27, 2022 19:28:44 GMT -8
I noticed her in the brief moments so far this season. She has physically changed. She’s a beautiful young lady and she is a powerful gal too. I think papa is kinda in her genes she looks very strong and powerful.
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Post by grayman on Oct 27, 2022 19:42:11 GMT -8
I think TVO is a more physical player than Pivec is even now. TVO is willing to use her strength against opposing players while Pivec has always been more a finesse player. Pivec finds the angle for the open shot while TVO muscles her way straight to the basket. My thoughts anyway. Well, I'm not sure about that. I would say that if Pivec looked like she used more finesse taking the ball to the hoop, it was because she was simply more athletic and agile than TVO. But she was also very powerful. The stats bear that out: Pivec averaged 15.2 points and 9.2 rebounds as a junior and 14.9 and 9.3 as a senior with 3.4 and 4.5 assists a game to boot. A 5-10 guard rebounding like that is just unheard of at that level. A much younger TVO has averaged 11.3 points and 3.8 rebounds and then 13.7 and 3.9 last season. She will most likely never rebound like Pivec, but I'm merely pointing out that she is looking very similar physically to one of OSU's greatest. |
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TVO
Oct 28, 2022 5:52:55 GMT -8
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Post by willtalk on Oct 28, 2022 5:52:55 GMT -8
Pivec did not use her physical assests to get her rebounds. She really was not that physical. What she had was a nose for the ball. It's a mental skill, much like court awarness. A player just has a gift for judging angles and can tell where the ball will be off of misses. I played with a guy like that once. His brain calculated where the ball was going before it even hit the rim. Its the same skill necessary for top leve pool players.
Scott recognized that and allowed her to freelance and hit the boards on almost every play. She would just beat the opposition to the spot where the ball was headed. A 5'10" player with short armes and limited jumping ability was not going to beat out most players for boards. Rebounding is more about positon than athleticism unless you are really tall with long arms and can jump through the roof.
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 28, 2022 7:06:16 GMT -8
I noticed her in the brief moments so far this season. She has physically changed. She’s a beautiful young lady and she is a powerful gal too. I think papa is kinda in her genes she looks very strong and powerful. 2005 charity fashion show in Pittsburgh. TVO is the little blondie in daddy's arms. Cute photo.  |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Oct 28, 2022 10:53:40 GMT -8
I'm confused. I know I saw Pivec use her strength at times. If there was a tie up, that ball was hers, she was just gonna rip it away from any opponent.
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Post by grayman on Oct 28, 2022 11:14:01 GMT -8
Yeah, there's no doubt that Pivec had both a "knack" to get to rebounds but used her athletic ability and strength to get them as well. Not likely that she averages anywhere near those numbers at 5-10 without being a phenomenal athlete and most likely the best overall athlete to ever play for the OSU women's hoops program.
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TVO
Oct 28, 2022 11:55:41 GMT -8
Post by willtalk on Oct 28, 2022 11:55:41 GMT -8
Pivic had very strong arms and hands. Whe was a field competitor in track in high shool. I was not referring to that part of her physic, but rather her jumping, positoning and blocking out abiility. She was stronger than average for a college player in that respect but against the pro's not so much. She has worked on her lower bady since turning pro. You can see it in her legs. I think she learned playing in Spain that her game would not translate unless she got stronger. She is now able to use her body much better on drives than she did in Spain. In Spain that aspect of her games did not translate and was not good enough against that level of defenders.
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TVO
Oct 28, 2022 12:37:49 GMT -8
Post by grayman on Oct 28, 2022 12:37:49 GMT -8
Pivec is never going to rebound like that against pro players. It's a completely different level. Yes, her technique helped her get a lot of boards in college, but her athletic ability was the main factor. That advantage becomes more and more diminished when she plays against the elite.
Strength has never been an issue for her. I don't doubt that she works to get even stronger, but it's not a stumbling block keeping her from the WNBA or elite status elsewhere.
She's 5-10 and has decent, but not elite speed. Good, not great, scorer. A great all-around athlete does not make an automatically great basketball player at the pro level.
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TVO
Oct 28, 2022 19:20:40 GMT -8
Post by believeinthebeavs on Oct 28, 2022 19:20:40 GMT -8
Pivic had very strong arms and hands. Whe was a field competitor in track in high shool. I was not referring to that part of her physic, but rather her jumping, positoning and blocking out abiility. She was stronger than average for a college player in that respect but against the pro's not so much. She has worked on her lower bady since turning pro. You can see it in her legs. I think she learned playing in Spain that her game would not translate unless she got stronger. She is now able to use her body much better on drives than she did in Spain. In Spain that aspect of her games did not translate and was not good enough against that level of defenders. She also ran cross country with some success. In track she ran the longer distance events as well as the javelin. Her legs were plenty strong |
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