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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 27, 2022 16:11:25 GMT -8
tinkle has a 35.8 winning percentage in pac12 play. Quit defending the guy. He has and is making millions with that kind of record shows how pathetic the fan base is as he should have been shown the door by now. Tinkle has one phenomenal season, a great season, three above average seasons, a mediocre season, and two flat awful seasons. He's 5-2-1 in seasons. It's match play. We're sitting at hole nine, just about to take a break at the clubhouse. Tinkle has won five holes and lost two. It doesn't matter that he hit about three hundred yards out of play on holes three and eight. You still owe that guy money. But, I’ll bet you $100 that he picks his nose and then eats it. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 30, 2022 19:40:34 GMT -8
I like Tinkle. He seems like a good dude. The elite 8 run was AWESOME!!!
That said, last year was beyond horrible. And overall, we are a very mediocre program, year in, year out. My question is how does it get better? Can Tinkle take the program to consistent success? It doesn't feel like it at this point......but who could turn it around in Corvallis? Is there a basketball Jonathan Smith out there for us?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 30, 2022 19:50:25 GMT -8
tinkle has a 35.8 winning percentage in pac12 play. Quit defending the guy. He has and is making millions with that kind of record shows how pathetic the fan base is as he should have been shown the door by now. Tinkle has one phenomenal season, a great season, three above average seasons, a mediocre season, and two flat awful seasons. He's 5-2-1 in seasons. It's match play. We're sitting at hole nine, just about to take a break at the clubhouse. Tinkle has won five holes and lost two. It doesn't matter that he hit about three hundred yards out of play on holes three and eight. You still owe that guy money. The PAC 12 is difficult, obviously. It's hard to compete when you don't have coaches kids, legacy recruits (GP2), or the occasional Eubanks. Two years ago the stars aligned.......how is that going to happen again? Let's be honest, the "coaches kids" teams just didn't have enough talent around the coaches kids. Tinkle needs to somehow improve recruiting but how does he do that at this stage? |
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Post by steinlager on Oct 30, 2022 21:32:20 GMT -8
Tinkle needs to develop this group of young players into a competitive team.
They may lose more than they win, this season, but it should be apparent whether they are buying into the coaching and will have winning seasons following this one.
Mostly I just want to see some decent basketball being played with a purpose even if they're below .500.
He's got a new staff and a lot of new players. It's a fresh start after last year's train wreck and a very important one for his continued employment.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 30, 2022 22:50:27 GMT -8
I like Tinkle. He seems like a good dude. The elite 8 run was AWESOME!!! That said, last year was beyond horrible. And overall, we are a very mediocre program, year in, year out. My question is how does it get better? Can Tinkle take the program to consistent success? It doesn't feel like it at this point......but who could turn it around in Corvallis? Is there a basketball Jonathan Smith out there for us? Gary Payton comes to mind. Is he busy? Someone along those lines? If he's interested, I think about starting a collection. Until then, I'm not sure that there is a better version of Tinkle out there, unless we feel confident that we can pull the ace of spades out of the deck with one draw. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 31, 2022 6:13:52 GMT -8
I like Tinkle. He seems like a good dude. The elite 8 runh was AWESOME!!! That said, last year was beyond horrible. And overall, we are a very mediocre program, year in, year out. My question is how does it get better? Can Tinkle take the program to consistent success? It doesn't feel like it at this point......but who could turn it around in Corvallis? Is there a basketball Jonathan Smith out there for us? Gary Payton comes to mind. Is he busy? Someone along those lines? If he's interested, I think about starting a collection. Until then, I'm not sure that there is a better version of Tinkle out there, unless we feel confident that we can pull the ace of spades out of the deck with one draw. We should probably wait and see if Gary or whatever OSU former player can coach before making that type of hire. At least Jonathan had a treacherous record as an assistant and coordinator. Gary is apparently the head coach of the Lincoln University Oaklanders. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 31, 2022 10:44:42 GMT -8
Wow, didn't see the auto correct had changed "previous" to "treacherous"
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Post by qbeaver on Oct 31, 2022 11:12:11 GMT -8
Gary Payton comes to mind. Is he busy? Someone along those lines? If he's interested, I think about starting a collection. Until then, I'm not sure that there is a better version of Tinkle out there, unless we feel confident that we can pull the ace of spades out of the deck with one draw. We should probably wait and see if Gary or whatever OSU former player can coach before making that type of hire. At least Jonathan had a treacherous record as an assistant and coordinator. Gary is apparently the head coach of the Lincoln University Oaklanders. I don't know if Lester or Gary can coach at this level,but if they don't have their degree,they are out of the picture. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 31, 2022 12:03:02 GMT -8
Pretty sure Gary's got a degree, but he's new at coaching. The only record of his last season I could find was 1 and 8. Don't know if it was cut short by covid or not. I found something that say's he's 1 and 7 this year. Doesn't make sense to me unless his league starts real early. It's apparently a new program and a small school. Hard to find much information about his team, google apparently doesn't care, or perhaps nobody writes about it.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 2, 2022 12:00:15 GMT -8
tinkle has a 35.8 winning percentage in pac12 play. Quit defending the guy. He has and is making millions with that kind of record shows how pathetic the fan base is as he should have been shown the door by now. Tinkle has one phenomenal season, a great season, three above average seasons, a mediocre season, and two flat awful seasons. He's 5-2-1 in seasons. It's match play. We're sitting at hole nine, just about to take a break at the clubhouse. Tinkle has won five holes and lost two. It doesn't matter that he hit about three hundred yards out of play on holes three and eight. You still owe that guy money. This is the exactly correct, it is what it is, answer. He is a coach that with the right pieces he is good, but he has shown he doesn't elevate a roster. When he recruits well (inconsistent in that) can get guys that buys into what he wants to do, things click and we have good season. When we hit bumps in the road (a key injury, a key departure) he has struggled to reload and adapt, and probably most damning, show demonstrable improvement over the year. If we are bad early, there isn't hope, we are bad all season. So, we either hope he gets it right in the offseason and gets the guys right, or more or less it is over. So what does that mean? I guess that means he is a good but not great coach. By all means, seems like a great guy, and a good representative of OSU... but doesn't appear to be the guy that is going to elevate men's basketball like Smith is doing with football. I think we do owe Tinkle credit, he largely made us competitive and respectable unlike any coach in the last 30+ years. He did, and that is indisputable. but we are plateauing, and backsliding. you just can't have a season like last season as a follow up to an Elite 8 year, when you returned most of that roster. You just can't implode like that. So do or die year for Tinkle. I am not sure what "do" is actually defined as, but we are well passed "improvement" and "moral victories" as a benchmark. I am somewhere in the "winning pac-12 record or GTFO" territory for this season. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 2, 2022 14:01:11 GMT -8
Tinkle has one phenomenal season, a great season, three above average seasons, a mediocre season, and two flat awful seasons. He's 5-2-1 in seasons. It's match play. We're sitting at hole nine, just about to take a break at the clubhouse. Tinkle has won five holes and lost two. It doesn't matter that he hit about three hundred yards out of play on holes three and eight. You still owe that guy money. This is the exactly correct, it is what it is, answer. He is a coach that with the right pieces he is good, but he has shown he doesn't elevate a roster. When he recruits well (inconsistent in that) can get guys that buys into what he wants to do, things click and we have good season. When we hit bumps in the road (a key injury, a key departure) he has struggled to reload and adapt, and probably most damning, show demonstrable improvement over the year. If we are bad early, there isn't hope, we are bad all season. So, we either hope he gets it right in the offseason and gets the guys right, or more or less it is over. So what does that mean? I guess that means he is a good but not great coach. By all means, seems like a great guy, and a good representative of OSU... but doesn't appear to be the guy that is going to elevate men's basketball like Smith is doing with football. I think we do owe Tinkle credit, he largely made us competitive and respectable unlike any coach in the last 30+ years. He did, and that is indisputable. but we are plateauing, and backsliding. you just can't have a season like last season as a follow up to an Elite 8 year, when you returned most of that roster. You just can't implode like that. So do or die year for Tinkle. I am not sure what "do" is actually defined as, but we are well passed "improvement" and "moral victories" as a benchmark. I am somewhere in the "winning pac-12 record or GTFO" territory for this season. I mean Oregon State's center last year was a gimpy Roman Silva. I think that the Beavers' backup center was 6'8", which is pretty laughable at a decent program. With Silva in, Oregon State actually outscored opponents. Every time Silva went out, Oregon State could not match opponents. ATown, it always seemed like you were a Riley guy and got it. Unless a program really gets going like baseball, Oregon State is just not going to have the depth to absorb an injury to a key player, let alone several injuries to multiple key players like last year. The key is always how you respond to those clunker seasons. If Oregon State can get back to .500, that's respectable. That is what Oregon State should be at most years. You're not going to do much better with the 10th-largest budget in the Pac-12. Unless Oregon State gets a huge infusion of money or talent (or probably both), you cannot expect Oregon State to win most conference games. That is unrealistic. Only one coach in a 1,000 coach is going to be able to pull that off with any consistency. |
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Post by bdc101 on Nov 2, 2022 14:25:32 GMT -8
This is the exactly correct, it is what it is, answer. He is a coach that with the right pieces he is good, but he has shown he doesn't elevate a roster. When he recruits well (inconsistent in that) can get guys that buys into what he wants to do, things click and we have good season. When we hit bumps in the road (a key injury, a key departure) he has struggled to reload and adapt, and probably most damning, show demonstrable improvement over the year. If we are bad early, there isn't hope, we are bad all season. So, we either hope he gets it right in the offseason and gets the guys right, or more or less it is over. So what does that mean? I guess that means he is a good but not great coach. By all means, seems like a great guy, and a good representative of OSU... but doesn't appear to be the guy that is going to elevate men's basketball like Smith is doing with football. I think we do owe Tinkle credit, he largely made us competitive and respectable unlike any coach in the last 30+ years. He did, and that is indisputable. but we are plateauing, and backsliding. you just can't have a season like last season as a follow up to an Elite 8 year, when you returned most of that roster. You just can't implode like that. So do or die year for Tinkle. I am not sure what "do" is actually defined as, but we are well passed "improvement" and "moral victories" as a benchmark. I am somewhere in the "winning pac-12 record or GTFO" territory for this season. Wilky, I agree with most of what you said, but wasn't the Elite 8 team the very definition of showing demonstrable improvement over the year? Not that I have any other examples from Tinkle's tenure of him showing that.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 4, 2022 8:51:07 GMT -8
This is the exactly correct, it is what it is, answer. He is a coach that with the right pieces he is good, but he has shown he doesn't elevate a roster. When he recruits well (inconsistent in that) can get guys that buys into what he wants to do, things click and we have good season. When we hit bumps in the road (a key injury, a key departure) he has struggled to reload and adapt, and probably most damning, show demonstrable improvement over the year. If we are bad early, there isn't hope, we are bad all season. So, we either hope he gets it right in the offseason and gets the guys right, or more or less it is over. So what does that mean? I guess that means he is a good but not great coach. By all means, seems like a great guy, and a good representative of OSU... but doesn't appear to be the guy that is going to elevate men's basketball like Smith is doing with football. I think we do owe Tinkle credit, he largely made us competitive and respectable unlike any coach in the last 30+ years. He did, and that is indisputable. but we are plateauing, and backsliding. you just can't have a season like last season as a follow up to an Elite 8 year, when you returned most of that roster. You just can't implode like that. So do or die year for Tinkle. I am not sure what "do" is actually defined as, but we are well passed "improvement" and "moral victories" as a benchmark. I am somewhere in the "winning pac-12 record or GTFO" territory for this season. I mean Oregon State's center last year was a gimpy Roman Silva. I think that the Beavers' backup center was 6'8", which is pretty laughable at a decent program. With Silva in, Oregon State actually outscored opponents. Every time Silva went out, Oregon State could not match opponents. ATown, it always seemed like you were a Riley guy and got it. Unless a program really gets going like baseball, Oregon State is just not going to have the depth to absorb an injury to a key player, let alone several injuries to multiple key players like last year.The key is always how you respond to those clunker seasons. If Oregon State can get back to .500, that's respectable. That is what Oregon State should be at most years. You're not going to do much better with the 10th-largest budget in the Pac-12. Unless Oregon State gets a huge infusion of money or talent (or probably both), you cannot expect Oregon State to win most conference games. That is unrealistic. Only one coach in a 1,000 coach is going to be able to pull that off with any consistency. Yep, but some of our coaches have done better than others in this. Oregon State, 100%, is a "have not" school compared to their peers, but a coach now 8 years into this thing absolutely needs to be roster building, even at a place like OSU. Football has long suffered from this, but in the Riley years, a key injury or player graduation was more like the difference between headed into the Civil War with the Rose Bowl on the line, versus headed into lock down win 8 or 9 and jockying around for a better bowl... The lack of depth is what kept Riley out of winning the Pac outright, and upon occasion gave us a bad year (like 2011), but those bad years were the extreme outlier on his resume. Tinkle is collecting the bad years at a little too fast of a clip. We can't be in a place, overall, where a bad year is 5 wins. a bad year should be 15 wins. Tinkle has shown us an elite 8 ceiling. that is a darn good ceiling. It is that floor that is a concern, and even at OSU, even at a school with not as much compared to the rest of the Pac, you just can't collapse that hard. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 4, 2022 10:02:36 GMT -8
Agreed ATown. You just can’t have a 5 win season as a P5 team — let alone a 3 win season too. Do you know how many D1 schools had 3 or fewer wins last year? 5 — IUPU, Delaware St, Miss. Valley St, Lamar and Oregon State. Talk about one of these is not like the others. When WT only won 5 games, there were only 5 other schools that won 5 or less. Again, none of them from a P5 conference except the Beavers -/- and none even from a mid major conference. I get that Corvallis can be a tough place to win, but two seasons like that goes beyond “a tough place to win” argument.
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Post by eorbeav on Nov 4, 2022 11:29:41 GMT -8
Does anyone know what Jimmy Chitwood is doing these days? Maybe he is available?
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