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Post by lebaneaver on Aug 31, 2016 13:46:19 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 31, 2016 14:30:19 GMT -8
Funny... clicked.on summary of these 20 or so transfers... seems like 4 turned out. Kinda over hyped in the whole transfer U thing other than the number. Seems Dana throws caution to the wind and hopes something works out. Guess maybe losing a few mil he might change that philosophy? Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 19:57:03 GMT -8
Funny... clicked.on summary of these 20 or so transfers... seems like 4 turned out. Kinda over hyped in the whole transfer U thing other than the number. Seems Dana throws caution to the wind and hopes something works out. Guess maybe losing a few mil he might change that philosophy? Lol A lot more than 4 turned out. Joseph young, Jason Calliste, Devoe Joseph, and Elgin Cook were all very good. Olu Asholu, Tony Woods, Amadi, and Dwayne Benjamin were all very important players on good teams. Boucher is a transfer who is still building his legacy. Dylan Ennis will start this year for a top 10 team. The only failure I can think of is Brandon Austin. Maybe Waverly Austin? You couldn't be any more wrong |
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 1, 2016 16:25:07 GMT -8
Funny... clicked.on summary of these 20 or so transfers... seems like 4 turned out. Kinda over hyped in the whole transfer U thing other than the number. Seems Dana throws caution to the wind and hopes something works out. Guess maybe losing a few mil he might change that philosophy? Lol A lot more than 4 turned out. Joseph young, Jason Calliste, Devoe Joseph, and Elgin Cook were all very good. Olu Asholu, Tony Woods, Amadi, and Dwayne Benjamin were all very important players on good teams. Boucher is a transfer who is still building his legacy. Dylan Ennis will start this year for a top 10 team. The only failure I can think of is Brandon Austin. Maybe Waverly Austin? You couldn't be any more wrong Dude you're a farce. Duck fan? Look over their stats... most were minor or very minor contributors or did not even stay. If your thinking that list is a positive you're out to lunch. Truly. Wow. Only a uck could defend that list and Altman overall. But, then again... LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 12:11:15 GMT -8
A lot more than 4 turned out. Joseph young, Jason Calliste, Devoe Joseph, and Elgin Cook were all very good. Olu Asholu, Tony Woods, Amadi, and Dwayne Benjamin were all very important players on good teams. Boucher is a transfer who is still building his legacy. Dylan Ennis will start this year for a top 10 team. The only failure I can think of is Brandon Austin. Maybe Waverly Austin? You couldn't be any more wrong Dude you're a farce. Duck fan? Look over their stats... most were minor or very minor contributors or did not even stay. If your thinking that list is a positive you're out to lunch. Truly. Wow. Only a uck could defend that list and Altman overall. But, then again... LOL I don't need to look at the stats, I watch the games. Somehow the ducks have made 3 straight tourneys (won 5 games) and finished 2nd in the pac 12 in two other seasons with all these terrible transfers. Cook was all pac 12, young was the MVP. Boucher all conference defense. Calliste averaged 13 per game (which is good in college, not sure if you realize this) and shot 50% from 3. Benjamin was the first guy off the bench for a #1 seed team and the most versatile defender. Olu had many big games for a team that finished 1 game out of first in the conference. Tony woods was a great rim protector. What are you expecting these guys to do? All average 20 per game. They've all had important roles for one of the winningest teams in the country over the past few seasons. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 6, 2016 21:20:32 GMT -8
Dude you're a farce. Duck fan? Look over their stats... most were minor or very minor contributors or did not even stay. If your thinking that list is a positive you're out to lunch. Truly. Wow. Only a uck could defend that list and Altman overall. But, then again... LOL I don't need to look at the stats, I watch the games. Somehow the ducks have made 3 straight tourneys (won 5 games) and finished 2nd in the pac 12 in two other seasons with all these terrible transfers. Cook was all pac 12, young was the MVP. Boucher all conference defense. Calliste averaged 13 per game (which is good in college, not sure if you realize this) and shot 50% from 3. Benjamin was the first guy off the bench for a #1 seed team and the most versatile defender. Olu had many big games for a team that finished 1 game out of first in the conference. Tony woods was a great rim protector. What are you expecting these guys to do? All average 20 per game. They've all had important roles for one of the winningest teams in the country over the past few seasons. True uck... what about the other 14-15? Lol And... win at all costs... forget about reputations, disgrace, multiple lawsuits, not to mention the lives he helped negatively influence. Ya... great guy... chip + several assts, whorton, dana... staff to be proud of! You ride that wave of success dude! Lol |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 9, 2016 13:50:50 GMT -8
I don't know where you brought in the "but Altman's a great guy" argument. Nobody said anything about his personality or the way he wins...you're really reaching here. Obviously not every recruit turns into an all conference performer. Not every recruit turns out to be a model citizen. Not every recruit turns out to be a good human being. And who is to say that those recruits did any better/worse than some kid coming out of high school? The fact that a kid transfers from another school or from a juco means very little to me. Some people are ready for the world at 18 years old....some aren't, and some never will be. Heck, one of those kids was a transfer from Umpqua CC...I don't think they were expecting him to contend for an all-conference positioin. All I know is that Oregon had one nasty incident involving a transfer that included some reprehensible behavior by almost every party involved. If you want to say Altman should've been fired, that's fine. But to just outright bash the program based solely on the use of juco players seems pretty weak to me. By that logic, OSU should be ashamed of their Fiesta Bowl, based on the fact they used Chad Johnson for a two month rental, DeLawrence Grant and LaDairis Jackson...etc. Look at how many players Gary Andersen is plucking out of Pima and Eastern Arizona.
Also, you know dang well Beaver Nation would've loved to have had 80% of those guys during the Craig Robinson years.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 9, 2016 19:50:30 GMT -8
I don't know where you brought in the "but Altman's a great guy" argument. Nobody said anything about his personality or the way he wins...you're really reaching here. Obviously not every recruit turns into an all conference performer. Not every recruit turns out to be a model citizen. Not every recruit turns out to be a good human being. And who is to say that those recruits did any better/worse than some kid coming out of high school? The fact that a kid transfers from another school or from a juco means very little to me. Some people are ready for the world at 18 years old....some aren't, and some never will be. Heck, one of those kids was a transfer from Umpqua CC...I don't think they were expecting him to contend for an all-conference positioin. All I know is that Oregon had one nasty incident involving a transfer that included some reprehensible behavior by almost every party involved. If you want to say Altman should've been fired, that's fine. But to just outright bash the program based solely on the use of juco players seems pretty weak to me. By that logic, OSU should be ashamed of their Fiesta Bowl, based on the fact they used Chad Johnson for a two month rental, DeLawrence Grant and LaDairis Jackson...etc. Look at how many players Gary Andersen is plucking out of Pima and Eastern Arizona. Also, you know dang well Beaver Nation would've loved to have had 80% of those guys during the Craig Robinson years. Hmmmm speaking of "where you brought in..." what does JC transfer from OSU fit??? I don;t believe this was a JC recruiting thread... it was hoops... many were D1 transfers whether walk ons or not. Are you confused or just have some green running thru your veins?? maybe just like to argue moot points with nonsensical unrelated info??? My post was commented on the "actual" success rate of uck transfers... which is quite miserable overall. You point out some of ours that were indeed quite fantastic. Although they were football and not hoops... and the discussion was never about recruiting JC transfers period! Nice to see you want to protect "probation u", but DA is every bit responsible for the "reprehensible act". It's been well proven he knew all about those players' behaviors and chose winning over morality. And YOU may have been happy with 80% of those guys, but only a handful would have been welcome in my and many or our fan bases eyes. PS- with CR not even the handful of good ones would have mattered!! thanks for playing though... |
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Post by beaverstever on Sept 13, 2016 8:45:24 GMT -8
I'm on the "this has worked pretty well" camp. The list includes JC transfers and walk-ons, which most programs have and not really the Transfer U reference. Taking out those, half of them have worked out very well, as in all-conference well. Ennis has a good shot at falling in that camp also. Tinkle really wanted Boucher - had he landed him, we were a much more formidable team last year.
I do think it has hurt attendance for hole - it's hard for the fan base to resonate with short-term free agents. But there's no question it's been a critical part of Altman's success. Joseph Young alone took an average team and made it quite good.
I'm certainly not pining for Tinkle to go all Transfer U (not that OSU has the bling to use that strategy anyway), but in terms of finding a way for Altman to win right away, I find it hard to argue with the results.
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