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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 18, 2022 14:22:04 GMT -8
A great way to kick off the conference season with one guaranteed tournament spot on the line. It’d have to be an 11 team tournament and be seeded by a random draw. But it’d get it out of the way, increase the likelihood of decent weather in Scottsdale and not do any real harm to any of the non-winners’ tournament chances, with the full conference schedule ahead to be played.
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Post by irimi on Jun 18, 2022 14:54:42 GMT -8
That's a really curious idea. You'd get a sneak peak at the entire conference. Interesting. (Of course, we often seem to be at our best in March. LOL)
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 18, 2022 17:44:41 GMT -8
That's a really curious idea. You'd get a sneak peak at the entire conference. Interesting. (Of course, we often seem to be at our best in March. LOL) The winner gets the automatic berth and then the regular season doesn't mean anything. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 18, 2022 18:25:20 GMT -8
A great way to kick off the conference season with one guaranteed tournament spot on the line. It’d have to be an 11 team tournament and be seeded by a random draw. But it’d get it out of the way, increase the likelihood of decent weather in Scottsdale and not do any real harm to any of the non-winners’ tournament chances, with the full conference schedule ahead to be played. I cannot tell how serious this is. The whole point of playing the Pac-12 Tournament in Scottsdale is to be sure that the games are played after April 5th. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 18, 2022 19:00:33 GMT -8
A great way to kick off the conference season with one guaranteed tournament spot on the line. It’d have to be an 11 team tournament and be seeded by a random draw. But it’d get it out of the way, increase the likelihood of decent weather in Scottsdale and not do any real harm to any of the non-winners’ tournament chances, with the full conference schedule ahead to be played. I cannot tell how serious this is. The whole point of playing the Pac-12 Tournament in Scottsdale is to be sure that the games are played after April 5th. What is the significance of April 5? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 18, 2022 19:10:27 GMT -8
I cannot tell how serious this is. The whole point of playing the Pac-12 Tournament in Scottsdale is to be sure that the games are played after April 5th. What is the significance of April 5? That was just the day that Cactus League ended this year. The games in Surprise, and the Pac-12 Tournament are geared to be around Spring Training. The Cactus League stadiums are very keen to hold games outside of Spring Training. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 18, 2022 19:28:37 GMT -8
What is the significance of April 5? That was just the day that Cactus League ended this year. The games in Surprise, and the Pac-12 Tournament are geared to be around Spring Training. The Cactus League stadiums are very keen to hold games outside of Spring Training. Thanks. I wasn’t aware of that. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 18, 2022 22:50:43 GMT -8
That's a really curious idea. You'd get a sneak peak at the entire conference. Interesting. (Of course, we often seem to be at our best in March. LOL) The winner gets the automatic berth and then the regular season doesn't mean anything. Regular season wouldn’t mean anything less than it does now. The tournament winner gets the conference’s 1 automatic bid regardless of when it’s held. |
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Post by grackle on Jun 19, 2022 8:48:25 GMT -8
Personally, I'm increasingly doubtful that a post-season tournament is any more benefcial for the PAC than just not having a tournament at all. And, especially, holding the tournament in the climatic equivalent of a Scottsdale pizza oven??!!
I guess I'm just old-school...but IMO, the team that takes the league championship over the course of 20+ league games DESERVES to be THE league champion. Period.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 19, 2022 9:23:54 GMT -8
The winner gets the automatic berth and then the regular season doesn't mean anything. Regular season wouldn’t mean anything less than it does now. The tournament winner gets the conference’s 1 automatic bid regardless of when it’s held. Not so. The regular season does mean something, it determines the 8 tournament participants, and the tournament seeding. If an all-in tournament was in February, a team could win it and earn the automatic NCAA berth even if it went on to finish 9th, 10th or 11th. That is impossible under the current format. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 19, 2022 12:34:49 GMT -8
Regular season wouldn’t mean anything less than it does now. The tournament winner gets the conference’s 1 automatic bid regardless of when it’s held. Not so. The regular season does mean something, it determines the 8 tournament participants, and the tournament seeding. If an all-in tournament was in February, a team could win it and earn the automatic NCAA berth even if it went on to finish 9th, 10th or 11th. That is impossible under the current format. I don't want to belabor this proposition because, obviously it has no chance of happening, it's more of a thought exercise. But, if the primary purpose of the conference regular season (aside from deciding who gets the conference championship trophy) were to determine which 3 teams are to be excluded from the 8 team tournament, then I don't see that as a substantial argument against. Let's say that there were a March tournament, played immediately prior to the start of the conference season. And let's say the team that won (and received an automatic NCAA bid) went on to finish 11th in conference. How would that be appreciably different from an 8th place team winning a conference tournament played at the end of May? All the non-conference tourney winners in either case would still be eligible for at-large bids based on their non-conference + conference records and RPI's. As far as I know there is no minimum or maximum quota on at-large bids from any individual conference. Like I said, it's not going to happen, the contracts are signed and sealed, so late May in Scottsdale it is. The Conference of Champions doesn't need (or want) my advice. |
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Post by bvogrande on Jun 19, 2022 15:02:15 GMT -8
That's a really curious idea. You'd get a sneak peak at the entire conference. Interesting. (Of course, we often seem to be at our best in March. LOL) The winner gets the automatic berth and then the regular season doesn't mean anything. And then you could rest your starters until the regionals! 👍🏼😜 |
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Post by qbeaver on Jun 19, 2022 15:04:32 GMT -8
Zero chance of that happening. Why would the NCAA want a team chosen for the tournament when they could be horrible by the time the tournament comes around in May? Not a chance...
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Post by bennysdentist on Jun 19, 2022 17:24:29 GMT -8
A great way to kick off the conference season with one guaranteed tournament spot on the line. It’d have to be an 11 team tournament and be seeded by a random draw. But it’d get it out of the way, increase the likelihood of decent weather in Scottsdale and not do any real harm to any of the non-winners’ tournament chances, with the full conference schedule ahead to be played. I like it. I was thinking much the same thing a couple of weeks ago. Clearly won’t happen, but I like it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 19, 2022 17:31:51 GMT -8
Not so. The regular season does mean something, it determines the 8 tournament participants, and the tournament seeding. If an all-in tournament was in February, a team could win it and earn the automatic NCAA berth even if it went on to finish 9th, 10th or 11th. That is impossible under the current format. I don't want to belabor this proposition because, obviously it has no chance of happening, it's more of a thought exercise. But, if the primary purpose of the conference regular season (aside from deciding who gets the conference championship trophy) were to determine which 3 teams are to be excluded from the 8 team tournament, then I don't see that as a substantial argument against. Let's say that there were a March tournament, played immediately prior to the start of the conference season. And let's say the team that won (and received an automatic NCAA bid) went on to finish 11th in conference. How would that be appreciably different from an 8th place team winning a conference tournament played at the end of May? All the non-conference tourney winners in either case would still be eligible for at-large bids based on their non-conference + conference records and RPI's. As far as I know there is no minimum or maximum quota on at-large bids from any individual conference. Like I said, it's not going to happen, the contracts are signed and sealed, so late May in Scottsdale it is. The Conference of Champions doesn't need (or want) my advice. I was mulling this more. The other issue is that, playing it early, it would not count as a "postseason tournament." It would therefore reduce the number of games that could be played for the rest of the season by the maximum number that could be played. It would therefore negate much of the positives that a conference tournament gives you RPI-wise. |
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