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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 9, 2022 12:50:30 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 9, 2022 14:08:15 GMT -8
Vanderbilt 8 - OREGON STATE 1 OREGON STATE 7 - Vanderbilt 6 Also, they beat New Mexico State by 20 at a neutral site, whereas Oregon State only beat New Mexico State by one in 10 innings at home. Finally, Vanderbilt split with San Diego but outscored San Diego in the pair by the same nine runs that Oregon State beat San Diego at home. I am just curious why that would be funny. Pure data, Vanderbilt was clearly the better team. Vanderbilt also outscored Auburn at Auburn 22-13 but lost two-of-three. The Beavers have a chance to pass the Commodores, if they beat the Tigers by more than nine in aggregate. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 9, 2022 14:14:03 GMT -8
It's kind of funny that anyone gives a s%#t about the rankings now. We are in the final 16 and rankings don't mean jack. The field is set and you're either #1 or who cares at this point.
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 9, 2022 14:16:57 GMT -8
It's kind of funny that anyone gives a s%#t about the rankings now. We are in the final 16 and rankings don't mean jack. The field is set and you're either #1 or who cares at this point. It's funny too... as they never mean "jack"! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 9, 2022 14:27:03 GMT -8
It's kind of funny that anyone gives a s%#t about the rankings now. We are in the final 16 and rankings don't mean jack. The field is set and you're either #1 or who cares at this point. I said it was funny, so I really don't give a shizzle. We are playing they are back home mulling their missed opportunities. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 9, 2022 17:18:24 GMT -8
Vanderbilt 8 - OREGON STATE 1 OREGON STATE 7 - Vanderbilt 6 Also, they beat New Mexico State by 20 at a neutral site, whereas Oregon State only beat New Mexico State by one in 10 innings at home. Finally, Vanderbilt split with San Diego but outscored San Diego in the pair by the same nine runs that Oregon State beat San Diego at home. I am just curious why that would be funny. Pure data, Vanderbilt was clearly the better team. Vanderbilt also outscored Auburn at Auburn 22-13 but lost two-of-three. The Beavers have a chance to pass the Commodores, if they beat the Tigers by more than nine in aggregate. So you are saying that number of points scored is more important than the W or L? Nah, you can't be saying that....can you? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 9, 2022 21:35:22 GMT -8
Vanderbilt 8 - OREGON STATE 1 OREGON STATE 7 - Vanderbilt 6 Also, they beat New Mexico State by 20 at a neutral site, whereas Oregon State only beat New Mexico State by one in 10 innings at home. Finally, Vanderbilt split with San Diego but outscored San Diego in the pair by the same nine runs that Oregon State beat San Diego at home. I am just curious why that would be funny. Pure data, Vanderbilt was clearly the better team. Vanderbilt also outscored Auburn at Auburn 22-13 but lost two-of-three. The Beavers have a chance to pass the Commodores, if they beat the Tigers by more than nine in aggregate. So you are saying that number of points scored is more important than the W or L? Nah, you can't be saying that....can you? Oregon State 13 - LSU 1 LSU 3 - Oregon State 1 LSU 6 - Oregon State 1 Oregon State 15 - LSU 10 My personal position is that wins and losses are far more important than the score in each game. It does not matter if you win by one or two or 12,704. A win is a win is a win. However, I value Massey Ratings and am stating its case. Vanderbilt won one game against Oregon State in Corvallis by seven and lost one game against Oregon State in Corvallis by one. On top of that, Vanderbilt beat New Mexico State by 20, while Oregon State beat New Mexico State in extras by one. And the San Diego games are largely a wash. Vanderbilt should be ranked ahead of Oregon State after that Regional. Oregon State needs to sweep Auburn or really crush the Tigers in three to pass Vanderbilt. |
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Jun 10, 2022 5:16:31 GMT -8
Vanderbilt 8 - OREGON STATE 1 OREGON STATE 7 - Vanderbilt 6 Also, they beat New Mexico State by 20 at a neutral site, whereas Oregon State only beat New Mexico State by one in 10 innings at home. Finally, Vanderbilt split with San Diego but outscored San Diego in the pair by the same nine runs that Oregon State beat San Diego at home. I am just curious why that would be funny. Pure data, Vanderbilt was clearly the better team. Vanderbilt also outscored Auburn at Auburn 22-13 but lost two-of-three. The Beavers have a chance to pass the Commodores, if they beat the Tigers by more than nine in aggregate. But your logic doesn’t explain why the Beavs are ranked ahead of Stanford….. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 10, 2022 8:47:53 GMT -8
From what I've gathered from this thread is the Massey ratings are garbage......their numbers don't tell you about Hjerpe coming in and buckling 5 of 6 'dores to send em packin
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 10, 2022 9:00:36 GMT -8
Vanderbilt 8 - OREGON STATE 1 OREGON STATE 7 - Vanderbilt 6 Also, they beat New Mexico State by 20 at a neutral site, whereas Oregon State only beat New Mexico State by one in 10 innings at home. Finally, Vanderbilt split with San Diego but outscored San Diego in the pair by the same nine runs that Oregon State beat San Diego at home. I am just curious why that would be funny. Pure data, Vanderbilt was clearly the better team. Vanderbilt also outscored Auburn at Auburn 22-13 but lost two-of-three. The Beavers have a chance to pass the Commodores, if they beat the Tigers by more than nine in aggregate. But your logic doesn’t explain why the Beavs are ranked ahead of Stanford….. I suppose you’d have to dig into Massey’s methodologies, which, personally I have no desire (or interest) to do. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 10, 2022 9:03:36 GMT -8
So you are saying that number of points scored is more important than the W or L? Nah, you can't be saying that....can you? Oregon State 13 - LSU 1 LSU 3 - Oregon State 1 LSU 6 - Oregon State 1 Oregon State 15 - LSU 10 My personal position is that wins and losses are far more important than the score in each game. It does not matter if you win by one or two or 12,704. A win is a win is a win. However, I value Massey Ratings and am stating its case. Vanderbilt won one game against Oregon State in Corvallis by seven and lost one game against Oregon State in Corvallis by one. On top of that, Vanderbilt beat New Mexico State by 20, while Oregon State beat New Mexico State in extras by one. And the San Diego games are largely a wash. Vanderbilt should be ranked ahead of Oregon State after that Regional. Oregon State needs to sweep Auburn or really crush the Tigers in three to pass Vanderbilt. I don't mind that he ranked them ahead of us. I subscribe to the idea that we're still alive and they aren't. Perhaps he believes that Vanderbilt has a more well-rounded team than we do. I'm not sure. I think using runs scored as a determining factor values hitting whereas baseball is a multifaceted game. Sometimes powerful hitting is all you need. Other times you've gotta have a deep bullpen. And other days, you just need clean defense. Most days, you need them all. I'm afraid too many folks value the power over the other elements. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Jun 10, 2022 9:57:20 GMT -8
Oregon State 13 - LSU 1 LSU 3 - Oregon State 1 LSU 6 - Oregon State 1 Oregon State 15 - LSU 10 My personal position is that wins and losses are far more important than the score in each game. It does not matter if you win by one or two or 12,704. A win is a win is a win. However, I value Massey Ratings and am stating its case. Vanderbilt won one game against Oregon State in Corvallis by seven and lost one game against Oregon State in Corvallis by one. On top of that, Vanderbilt beat New Mexico State by 20, while Oregon State beat New Mexico State in extras by one. And the San Diego games are largely a wash. Vanderbilt should be ranked ahead of Oregon State after that Regional. Oregon State needs to sweep Auburn or really crush the Tigers in three to pass Vanderbilt. I don't mind that he ranked them ahead of us. I subscribe to the idea that we're still alive and they aren't. Perhaps he believes that Vanderbilt has a more well-rounded team than we do. I'm not sure. I think using runs scored as a determining factor values hitting whereas baseball is a multifaceted game. Sometimes powerful hitting is all you need. Other times you've gotta have a deep bullpen. And other days, you just need clean defense. Most days, you need them all. I'm afraid too many folks value the power over the other elements. Good points on baseball being multifaceted. Here are some examples of what you're talking about. Two Pac 12 clubs who won a National Championship in the last decade are UCLA & Arizona. They both went 10-0 in the tournament & had completely different strengths. 2013 UCLA couldn't hit squat but great pitching & defense got Savage a title. 2012 Arizona was team full of mashers who had a couple pitchers get hot at the right time. Just for the record, I personally like to be in the top 3 in both pitching & hitting in the Pac.(I don't mention defense because if this is a problem, you might need a new coach) I like well rounded teams that can win pitching duels or slugfests. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 10, 2022 10:31:41 GMT -8
Vanderbilt 8 - OREGON STATE 1 OREGON STATE 7 - Vanderbilt 6 Also, they beat New Mexico State by 20 at a neutral site, whereas Oregon State only beat New Mexico State by one in 10 innings at home. Finally, Vanderbilt split with San Diego but outscored San Diego in the pair by the same nine runs that Oregon State beat San Diego at home. I am just curious why that would be funny. Pure data, Vanderbilt was clearly the better team. Vanderbilt also outscored Auburn at Auburn 22-13 but lost two-of-three. The Beavers have a chance to pass the Commodores, if they beat the Tigers by more than nine in aggregate. But your logic doesn’t explain why the Beavs are ranked ahead of Stanford….. Strength of Schedule. Oregon State has played almost as good against a much harder SOS. Massey ranks Stanford as better offensively and defensively but as not having done what they have done against a schedule as difficult as Oregon State's. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 10, 2022 10:38:13 GMT -8
But your logic doesn’t explain why the Beavs are ranked ahead of Stanford….. Strength of Schedule. Oregon State has played almost as good against a much harder SOS. Massey ranks Stanford as better offensively and defensively but as not having done what they have done against a schedule as difficult as Oregon State's. But then you have to look at how strength of schedule is determined and see what sort of tendencies or prejudices might therein lie. Since there aren't enough games between conferences, I think it's really easy to miscalculate strength of schedule. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 10, 2022 10:39:09 GMT -8
I don't mind that he ranked them ahead of us. I subscribe to the idea that we're still alive and they aren't. Perhaps he believes that Vanderbilt has a more well-rounded team than we do. I'm not sure. I think using runs scored as a determining factor values hitting whereas baseball is a multifaceted game. Sometimes powerful hitting is all you need. Other times you've gotta have a deep bullpen. And other days, you just need clean defense. Most days, you need them all. I'm afraid too many folks value the power over the other elements. Good points on baseball being multifaceted. Here are some examples of what you're talking about. Two Pac 12 clubs who won a National Championship in the last decade are UCLA & Arizona. They both went 10-0 in the tournament & had completely different strengths. 2013 UCLA couldn't hit squat but great pitching & defense got Savage a title. 2012 Arizona was team full of mashers who had a couple pitchers get hot at the right time. Just for the record, I personally like to be in the top 3 in both pitching & hitting in the Pac.(I don't mention defense because if this is a problem, you might need a new coach) I like well rounded teams that can win pitching duels or slugfests. Baseball is a weird and streaky sport! |
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