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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 29, 2022 8:32:33 GMT -8
Why so we can burn through all of our pitching and lose in our own regional to say we made it to the final of the Pac-12 tourney? I was surprised that UCLA was trying to win. You do realize we still would have played three games this weekend, and used our pitchers, if there wasn't a tournament. And we'll get four days off before the regional starts. Nobody was overused at this tournament. Hjerpe (who pitched Thursday) will even have an extra day of rest, over what he had in the regular season, if he goes in the regional opener on Friday. |
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EOBeav
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Post by EOBeav on May 29, 2022 9:25:30 GMT -8
I also had that thought, and it came from this line of thinking: The Pac12 tournament is largely irrelevant. The pecking order is pretty much done by the time the end of the season rolls around. The conference's #8 team isn't just going to roll in and win the whole thing and get guaranteed a regional spot. The true top teams, however, have a lot to lose: Injuries, wear and tear on pitching, etc... Regardless of tonight's outcome, we're finishing the tournament pretty much the same way we ended the season: First or second place in the Pac 12. Luckily, we've won enough to get a top 8 seed, so there's that. I just hate to go into regionals being banged up from a tournament we shouldn't have needed in the first place.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 29, 2022 9:43:31 GMT -8
I also had that thought, and it came from this line of thinking: The Pac12 tournament is largely irrelevant. The pecking order is pretty much done by the time the end of the season rolls around. The conference's #8 team isn't just going to roll in and win the whole thing and get guaranteed a regional spot. The true top teams, however, have a lot to lose: Injuries, wear and tear on pitching, etc... Regardless of tonight's outcome, we're finishing the tournament pretty much the same way we ended the season: First or second place in the Pac 12. Luckily, we've won enough to get a top 8 seed, so there's that. I just hate to go into regionals being banged up from a tournament we shouldn't have needed in the first place. Tournament or not, we were gonna play three games this weekend. We could have got just as banged up playing a conference series or even four NC games, like we did against Abilene Christian several years ago. Like I said, the problem's not the tournament, it's the double-elimination format. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 29, 2022 9:53:53 GMT -8
The dbl elim is fine if you use two equivalent sites near one another.
Two 4 team dbl elims over 3 days (one dblhder day)
Bring the two winners together on Day 4...
-If both come thru undefeated it's 2 of 3 on Day 4 and 5;
If a team has 1 loss, the other none its a 1 (undefeated team wins) or 2 game series;
If both come in with a loss, it's a single game.
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Post by 56chevy on May 29, 2022 9:55:33 GMT -8
I also had that thought, and it came from this line of thinking: The Pac12 tournament is largely irrelevant. The pecking order is pretty much done by the time the end of the season rolls around. The conference's #8 team isn't just going to roll in and win the whole thing and get guaranteed a regional spot. The true top teams, however, have a lot to lose: Injuries, wear and tear on pitching, etc... Regardless of tonight's outcome, we're finishing the tournament pretty much the same way we ended the season: First or second place in the Pac 12. Luckily, we've won enough to get a top 8 seed, so there's that. I just hate to go into regionals being banged up from a tournament we shouldn't have needed in the first place. Tournament or not, we were gonna play three games this weekend. We could have got just as banged up playing a conference series or even four NC games, like we did against Abilene Christian several years ago. Like I said, the problem's not the tournament, it's the double-elimination format. Seriously? Logan status unknown. In case you missed it, our entire starting outfield have some sort of concern. We stretched a number of pitchers beyond the pitch counts that would have been preferred. There is also the likelihood that every player on the roster has experienced some level of dehydration...oh and one more thing, the concrete infield is completely bologna. Going into regional, one would want to replicate the conditions of said regional to the extent possible. What's going on in Scottsdale is nowhere near that. The Pac 12 should be embarrassed with this cluster frick. The logic in sending your team down to 100+ degree conditions at sub standard facilities for a five game tournament would be akin to sending an an Olympic marathoner to Kona to do an ironman triathlon the week before the Olympic Marathon race and justifying it by saying...well he was going to go out for a run anyway. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 29, 2022 10:15:10 GMT -8
Tournament or not, we were gonna play three games this weekend. We could have got just as banged up playing a conference series or even four NC games, like we did against Abilene Christian several years ago. Like I said, the problem's not the tournament, it's the double-elimination format. Seriously? Logan status unknown. In case you missed it, our entire starting outfield have some sort of concern. We stretched a number of pitchers beyond the pitch counts that would have been preferred. There is also the likelihood that every player on the roster has experienced some level of dehydration...oh and one more thing, the concrete infield is completely bologna. Going into regional, one would want to replicate the conditions of said regional to the extent possible. What's going on in Scottsdale is nowhere near that. The Pac 12 should be embarrassed with this cluster frick. What if our final Pac-12 series was at Arizona or ASU? Or UCLA? Or USC? Guaranteeing our final Pac-12 series to "replicate the conditions" of an upcoming Corvallis regional is impossible, unless we were playing at home or vs. the Washington schools, which can't be guaranteed. And what if it suddenly turns 80 degrees next weekend in Corvallis? Certainly wouldn't replicate this weekend's Corvallis weather. Didn't Logan also get hurt in a NC game earlier this year? Wasn't Bazzana hurt in a league game? Melton got hurt in the RS last year. Injuries happen. Looking at the pitch counts from each game, who got stretched? Hjerpe and Kmatz each pitched once and threw a normal # of pitches. Nobody has yet pitched on consecutive days. The entire staff had Friday off. If we field the ball and don't walk or hit people in the 9th inning in Game 1 vs. UCLA, none of the things many are complaining about would even be a factor. We forced ourselves to play an extra game, not the weather or the infield. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 29, 2022 10:17:10 GMT -8
It seems we have a lot of people here that are cuing the tournament up as an excuse if we don’t make it to Omaha.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 29, 2022 10:19:36 GMT -8
It seems we have a lot of people here that are cuing the tournament up as an excuse if we don’t make it to Omaha. And probably every team that does make it to Omaha will have played in a conference tournament. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 29, 2022 10:22:09 GMT -8
It seems we have a lot of people here that are cuing the tournament up as an excuse if we don’t make it to Omaha. And probably every team that does make it to Omaha will have played in a conference tournament. Yeah, but they didn’t play their tournament on Mercury on a concrete field. |
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Post by gotmilk on May 29, 2022 10:35:42 GMT -8
f%#* that noise. Maybe change the format & location, but a conference tournament doesn't seem to hurt SEC teams, who are all over Omaha every year. Well it doesn't hurt, one of four D1 teams is now in the SEC  |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 29, 2022 10:42:44 GMT -8
And probably every team that does make it to Omaha will have played in a conference tournament. Yeah, but they didn’t play their tournament on Mercury on a concrete field. IDK, pretty hot and a lot more humid in Hoover, Ala. And 56, Logan got hurt because Forrester made a horrible throw. Not because it was hot. A good throw and Logan can just stand there and tag the guy, who would have been out by five feet. As far as the infield goes, checking the box scores so far none of our tournament opponents have made an error fielding a ground ball. Maybe the problem this weekend isn't the condition of the infield. |
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Post by 56chevy on May 29, 2022 11:02:53 GMT -8
Seriously? Logan status unknown. In case you missed it, our entire starting outfield have some sort of concern. We stretched a number of pitchers beyond the pitch counts that would have been preferred. There is also the likelihood that every player on the roster has experienced some level of dehydration...oh and one more thing, the concrete infield is completely bologna. Going into regional, one would want to replicate the conditions of said regional to the extent possible. What's going on in Scottsdale is nowhere near that. The Pac 12 should be embarrassed with this cluster frick. What if our final Pac-12 series was at Arizona or ASU? Or UCLA? Or USC? Guaranteeing our final Pac-12 series to "replicate the conditions" of an upcoming Corvallis regional is impossible, unless we were playing at home or vs. the Washington schools, which can't be guaranteed. And what if it suddenly turns 80 degrees next weekend in Corvallis? Certainly wouldn't replicate this weekend's Corvallis weather. Didn't Logan also get hurt in a NC game earlier this year? Wasn't Bazzana hurt in a league game? Melton got hurt in the RS last year. Injuries happen. Looking at the pitch counts from each game, who got stretched? Hjerpe and Kmatz each pitched once and threw a normal # of pitches. Nobody has yet pitched on consecutive days. The entire staff had Friday off. If we field the ball and don't walk or hit people in the 9th inning in Game 1 vs. UCLA, none of the things many are complaining about would even be a factor. We forced ourselves to play an extra game, not the weather or the infield. What I said was..."replicate the conditions to the extent possible"...that's a bit different than "Guarantee"...I'll also take the Pac-12s record in Omaha vs any other conference over the last 15 years. All done without a year end tournament. I'd defer to professional people who study athletic performance and how to maximize it. Based on what I have learned from them over the last 30 years, I'd be shocked if they would tell you this years pac 12 tournament experience enhances the attempt to maximize that performance as the playoffs start. Not saying it can't be done in a tournament environment, this just isn't it. Don't believe me...ok. Just check in with John Savage and his comments during last night's game. Did he sound like a guy who thought this was improving his chances of getting to Omaha? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 29, 2022 11:12:41 GMT -8
What I said was..."replicate the conditions to the extent possible"...that's a bit different than "Guarantee"...
Yes, you did, and certainly yes, it is. It's also almost impossible, since we can't control where we'll be playing our final conference series. That said, this tournament would also be much better at Ron Tonkin Field (it's not Sunken Diamond, but it would do.  ) At least there might be more than 500 fans at every game.
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Post by struc82 on May 29, 2022 11:18:36 GMT -8
UCLA coach repeatedly was quoted that there was nothing to be gained playing this tournament for top teams. Save staff for regional! Seems like an experienced knowledgeable opinion that MC likely shares at this point. Top teams benefited not by this tournament. Bubble teams didn't benefit. Why play such if it wounds your best and hinders the chances for bubble teams. This format and venue were a catastrophe classic of P12 leadership. A three game weekend is pressing college staffs and student health until Omaha. Watching "All Staff" day was uninspiring for all participants. Even Stanford fan wrote placard pleading for no extra innings in game 2 of a 9 hour chit fest.
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Post by joecool on May 29, 2022 12:00:04 GMT -8
It seems we have a lot of people here that are cuing the tournament up as an excuse if we don’t make it to Omaha. Exactly this. |
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) At least there might be more than 500 fans at every game. 