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Post by oldbeav on May 24, 2022 13:05:00 GMT -8
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Post by beavaristotle on May 24, 2022 13:41:35 GMT -8
Another in state Beavers success story. Congratulations JM
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tej
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Post by tej on May 24, 2022 14:33:55 GMT -8
George was wrong!
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Post by beavaristotle on May 24, 2022 15:00:25 GMT -8
Boyd got screwed, only honorable mention OF. No way there are 5 or 6 better outfielders in the Pac
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Post by irimi on May 24, 2022 15:08:52 GMT -8
Can't wait to meet them again in the tourney. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 24, 2022 15:49:08 GMT -8
Boyd got screwed, only honorable mention OF. No way there are 5 or 6 better outfielders in the Pac Would suck if he comes back for one more year to prove them wrong! |
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Post by chinmusic on May 24, 2022 20:03:40 GMT -8
There is an array of arguments to be made with the PAC selections if one were in an argumentitive mood.
1. The baseball writers, newspaper guys and web jockeys almost unanimously picked Stanford to win the PAC-12 in their pre-season prognostications. The Beavers were picked 4th in everything I looked at with one 5th and one 3rd as outliers. So who is the Coach of the Year? The guy that barely met expectations on the final day of the season, or the guy that really exceeded expectations up in Corvallis? Had we won one more game against either Arizona or UCLA, I think it would have gone our way.
2. Stanford's Montgomery was named the PAC's "Freshman of the Year", fundamentally on the strength of his impressive power at the plate. Without that, Bazzana was the better performer. Montgomery's slash was .296/.361/.624 - the SLG% was the game changer. Bazzana had a slash of .321/.425/.483. Bazzana was the better BA guy by 25 points and in the all-important OBP. better by 64% points! Montgomery hit with power - 15 doubles, 1 triple and 15 home runs. Bazzana had 14 doubles, 4 triples and 4 home runs. Bazzana drew 35 walks and 5 HBP with 50K - Montgomery drew 12 walks, 7 HBP and 57K with 20 fewer at bats. Want to argue that one?
FACT: Stanford won the PAC-12. To the victor go the spoils. (By the hair on their chinny-chin-chin)
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Post by rgeorge on May 24, 2022 20:34:59 GMT -8
There is an array of arguments to be made with the PAC selections if one were in an argumentitive mood. 1. The baseball writers, newspaper guys and web jockeys almost unanimously picked Stanford to win the PAC-12 in their pre-season prognostications. The Beavers were picked 4th in everything I looked at with one 5th and one 3rd as outliers. So who is the Coach of the Year? The guy that barely met expectations on the final day of the season, or the guy that really exceeded expectations up in Corvallis? Had we won one more game against either Arizona or UCLA, I think it would have gone our way. 2. Stanford's Montgomery was named the PAC's "Freshman of the Year", fundamentally on the strength of his impressive power at the plate. Without that, Bazzana was the better performer. Montgomery's slash was .296/.361/.624 - the SLG% was the game changer. Bazzana had a slash of .321/.425/.483. Bazzana was the better BA guy by 25 points and in the all-important OBP. better by 64% points! Montgomery hit with power - 15 doubles, 1 triple and 15 home runs. Bazzana had 14 doubles, 4 triples and 4 home runs. Bazzana drew 35 walks and 5 HBP with 50K - Montgomery drew 12 walks, 7 HBP and 57K with 20 fewer at bats. Want to argue that one? FACT: Stanford won the PAC-12. To the victor go the spoils. (By the hair on their chinny-chin-chin) 1) Nope... Pac12 writers had OSU picked 2nd, 84 points/votes, one 1st place vote. Furd was 98 with 8 first. Furd OSU Zona UCLA ucks Pretty close COY... how do you pick a coach who's team had a 3 game lead with 5 to play, goes 1-4, and finishes 2nd by a game? How you finish matters. |
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Post by Werebeaver on May 24, 2022 21:09:53 GMT -8
OSU Pac-12 Conference Players of the Year (since N/S reunification)
2022 Jacob Melton
2019 Adley Rutschman
2017 Nick Madrigal
2014 Michael Conforto
2013 Michael Conforto
2006 Cole Gillespie
2005 Jacoby Ellsbury
That's 7 POY's in 18 seasons.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2022 22:04:19 GMT -8
Boyd got screwed, only honorable mention OF. No way there are 5 or 6 better outfielders in the Pac Boyd stats: BA OPS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB SLG% BB HBP SO GDP OB% SF SH SB-ATTNon-conference: .388 1.145 85 26 33 6 1 5 32 56 .659 18 2 15 1 .486 4 1 15-18 Pac-12: .320 .928 103 28 33 3 2 2 13 46 .447 28 4 30 0 .481 0 3 7-10 Boyd hit well, but was much more of a terror outside of the Pac-12 than in conference play. The drop in slugging percentage alone is quite pronounced. I am hoping that he gives other conferences fits come Tournament time. All-defensive Pac-12 outfielder is great. |
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Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 6:35:39 GMT -8
Boyd got screwed, only honorable mention OF. No way there are 5 or 6 better outfielders in the Pac Boyd stats: BA OPS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB SLG% BB HBP SO GDP OB% SF SH SB-ATTNon-conference: .388 1.145 85 26 33 6 1 5 32 56 .659 18 2 15 1 .486 4 1 15-18 Pac-12: .320 .928 103 28 33 3 2 2 13 46 .447 28 4 30 0 .481 0 3 7-10 Boyd hit well, but was much more of a terror outside of the Pac-12 than in conference play. The drop in slugging percentage alone is quite pronounced. I am hoping that he gives other conferences fits come Tournament time. All-defensive Pac-12 outfielder is great. Just curious, but do your stats show the five games against Oregon as Pac 12, non-conference, or both? The games with Oregon always throw a monkey wrench into dividing up stats by conference/non. |
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Post by jimbeav on May 25, 2022 7:40:32 GMT -8
Boyd stats: BA OPS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB SLG% BB HBP SO GDP OB% SF SH SB-ATTNon-conference: .388 1.145 85 26 33 6 1 5 32 56 .659 18 2 15 1 .486 4 1 15-18 Pac-12: .320 .928 103 28 33 3 2 2 13 46 .447 28 4 30 0 .481 0 3 7-10 Boyd hit well, but was much more of a terror outside of the Pac-12 than in conference play. The drop in slugging percentage alone is quite pronounced. I am hoping that he gives other conferences fits come Tournament time. All-defensive Pac-12 outfielder is great. Just curious, but do your stats show the five games against Oregon as Pac 12, non-conference, or both? The games with Oregon always throw a monkey wrench into dividing up stats by conference/non. Does it really skew things that much though? At least as far as batting stats? Oregon non-conf games go up against their mid-week guys, so batting stats are probably going to be elevated over conference weekend games. One could argue that the midweek starter and pen of a Pac-12 school are comparable to the weekend guys of, say, a Gonzaga or Long Beach State. Maybe not equal, but not that huge of a difference, I don't think... |
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Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 7:59:29 GMT -8
Just curious, but do your stats show the five games against Oregon as Pac 12, non-conference, or both? The games with Oregon always throw a monkey wrench into dividing up stats by conference/non. Does it really skew things that much though? At least as far as batting stats? Oregon non-conf games go up against their mid-week guys, so batting stats are probably going to be elevated over conference weekend games. One could argue that the midweek starter and pen of a Pac-12 school are comparable to the weekend guys of, say, a Gonzaga or Long Beach State. Maybe not equal, but not that huge of a difference, I don't think... I don't know if it skews things or not. I just think it isn't fair to really split them. If we were playing Wazzu for instance in a non-conference game, I think it wouldn't matter at all. But it's Oregon and there's no love between the two programs. I don't think they held much back just because it was a non-conference game, and I don't think we did either. |
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Post by chinmusic on May 25, 2022 10:25:47 GMT -8
Websites, George, websites. Not P-12 writers, national writers - I'm talking about BA, PG and Collegiate baseball to name a few. Nobody had us second on the net. You don't recall all those comments about how we don't hit and that was the basis for those fourth place predictions?
Wilner with the Mercury News is a P-12 writer and he didn't have us 2nd. Stanford, UCLA and Arizona were getting more mention than OSU.
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Post by rgeorge on May 25, 2022 10:57:50 GMT -8
Websites, George, websites. Not P-12 writers, national writers - I'm talking about BA, PG and Collegiate baseball to name a few. Nobody had us second on the net. You don't recall all those comments about how we don't hit and that was the basis for those fourth place predictions? Wilner with the Mercury News is a P-12 writer and he didn't have us 2nd. Stanford, UCLA and Arizona were getting more mention than OSU. Guess what... the Pac12 predictions were on a website! Wonder who knows more about Pac12 baseball? Lol But, here's another... www.google.com/amp/s/www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2022-pac-12-conference-college-baseball-preview/%3famphtml |
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