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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 16, 2022 14:40:33 GMT -8
May 16, 2011 Oregon State beat Washington on Friday the 13th 6-4 and then won 9-3. In the final game in the series, Washington won 7-6. Oregon State was 37-12. When the Baseball America rankings came out, Oregon State was ranked second. The regional projections had the Beavers as the #3 overall seed.
And then, Oregon State lost five-of-six to close out the regular season. With the final loss against Washington, Oregon State finished 1-6.
Instead of being a surefire lock to be a top eight National Seed, Oregon State's RPI fell to 21. Oregon State was effectively given a #11 overall seed, paired with Vandy in a presumptive Nashville Super Regional. Sure enough, Oregon State and Vanderbilt played in Nashville with the Dores beating the snot out of the Beavs, 11-1 and 9-3, 20-4 over the two games. Vandy beat #3 overall North Carolina twice by four runs in Omaha but lost to #2 overall Florida twice by two runs. Florida finished first and Vanderbilt finished second in RPI in 2011.
Five of those Commodores are still playing in the Majors. Taylor Hill played almost a year in the Majors for the Nats in 2014 and 2015. Hill was still playing pro ball until COVID-19 effectively ended his career.
All these clinching nonsense posts. Nothing is clinched yet. Oregon State cannot afford a 1-6 finish again.
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Post by tamatrix on May 16, 2022 14:42:37 GMT -8
So what you are telling me is try to not play a team that will have 5 players still in the Majors in 10 years? That's the cautionary tale?  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 16, 2022 16:06:48 GMT -8
So what you are telling me is try to not play a team that will have 5 players still in the Majors in 10 years? That's the cautionary tale?  On the road, yes. Oregon State went from a surefire lock to be a top eight national seed to barely hosting a Regional and having to travel to the true #2 overall team in the country in the Super. That was all over 2011 Oregon State going 1-6 over the final seven games. 2022 Oregon State is already 0-2. The Beavers cannot afford to go 1-4 over the final five, no matter what people are reading Boyd's World or Warren Nolan to say. |
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Post by giantkillers83 on May 16, 2022 19:12:45 GMT -8
That is absolutely correct.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 17, 2022 7:50:18 GMT -8
Different team. This team, offensively, as long as Boyd is back, should be just fine, and make a run at Omaha. The pitching had an off weekend after steadily improving for weeks. Defensively we had more miscues than normal. I chalk it up to a tough road conference series against a good team where we didn't play our best ball. I see a bounce back performance against UCLA.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on May 17, 2022 8:54:00 GMT -8
I agree to your overall message that despite some people here possibly saying how you finish doesn’t matter much…..it absolutely usually does. Definitely don’t want to lose back to back series going into the tourney.
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Post by obf on May 17, 2022 9:27:56 GMT -8
I appreciate the cautionary tale, and definitely hope and expect a repeat performance will not happen. However, I would also not understate just how powerful of a home field advantage 103°F is. Beavers were clearly out of sorts the entire weekend and I am sure Heat played a role. Being back in the PNW will definitely help, and so will getting Boyd back. Yet another reason to want to host both a regional and a super regional. Weather you are accustomed to. I lived in Texas for a while, and the oppressive heat was definitely something I had to acclimate to during the summers. When I first moved there I could barely walk from class to class with out feeling light headed, but by the end of the summer I was running 6 miles a couple times a week in the direct sun. Strangely enough the other thing I had to get used to as an Oregon boy was the AIR CONDITIONING. Many buildings on campus were kept at 68°F, so I would go from 100 and sweating while walking outside, and then shivering during class. I had more colds during the Texas summers than I ever had growing up in wet, chilly Oregon. The constant noise and air movement of the air conditioning was also something I had to get used to. I miss the BBQ though  |
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Post by rgeorge on May 17, 2022 10:22:42 GMT -8
I appreciate the cautionary tale, and definitely hope and expect a repeat performance will not happen. However, I would also not understate just how powerful of a home field advantage 103°F is. Beavers were clearly out of sorts the entire weekend and I am sure Heat played a role. Being back in the PNW will definitely help, and so will getting Boyd back. Yet another reason to want to host both a regional and a super regional. Weather you are accustomed to. I lived in Texas for a while, and the oppressive heat was definitely something I had to acclimate to during the summers. When I first moved there I could barely walk from class to class with out feeling light headed, but by the end of the summer I was running 6 miles a couple times a week in the direct sun. Strangely enough the other thing I had to get used to as an Oregon boy was the AIR CONDITIONING. Many buildings on campus were kept at 68°F, so I would go from 100 and sweating while walking outside, and then shivering during class. I had more colds during the Texas summers than I ever had growing up in wet, chilly Oregon. The constant noise and air movement of the air conditioning was also something I had to get used to. I miss the BBQ though  Somewhat agree, but these kids have played in "weather" their entire baseball lives. Heat is not excuse to play like we did. Plus, if it is OSU might as well not head to Scottsdale and why play and regional or super since Omaha weather is much more oppressive than dry heat. OSU played poorly... it wasn't the "pool factor", it wasn't the heat, and it was NOT the umpire crew. OSU simply got beat by a better team on that particular weekend. I'm sure UCLA isn't going to use the chilling cold of Goss as an excuse to underperform. OSU has played in every type of weather. If there should have been a drop off due to weather it'd have come in the cold, very wet/damp uck series. More concerning is how we compete this weekend. A long season is what truly wears on kids. It is very tough mentally and physically to stay focused and feel good over 3-4 months and 50-60 games. It's why MLB players are special in my opinion... playing even 130+ games out of the 162 is crazy hard! I think we have some tired hombres right now and these short turnarounds will be challenging. |
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Post by ricke71 on May 17, 2022 10:46:55 GMT -8
I appreciate the cautionary tale, and definitely hope and expect a repeat performance will not happen. However, I would also not understate just how powerful of a home field advantage 103°F is. Beavers were clearly out of sorts the entire weekend and I am sure Heat played a role. Being back in the PNW will definitely help, and so will getting Boyd back. Yet another reason to want to host both a regional and a super regional. Weather you are accustomed to. I lived in Texas for a while, and the oppressive heat was definitely something I had to acclimate to during the summers. When I first moved there I could barely walk from class to class with out feeling light headed, but by the end of the summer I was running 6 miles a couple times a week in the direct sun. Strangely enough the other thing I had to get used to as an Oregon boy was the AIR CONDITIONING. Many buildings on campus were kept at 68°F, so I would go from 100 and sweating while walking outside, and then shivering during class. I had more colds during the Texas summers than I ever had growing up in wet, chilly Oregon. The constant noise and air movement of the air conditioning was also something I had to get used to. I miss the BBQ though Somewhat agree, but these kids have played in "weather" their entire baseball lives. Heat is not excuse to play like we did. Plus, if it is OSU might as well not head to Scottsdale and why play and regional or super since Omaha weather is much more oppressive than dry heat. OSU played poorly... it wasn't the "pool factor", it wasn't the heat, and it was NOT the umpire crew. OSU simply got beat by a better team on that particular weekend. I'm sure UCLA isn't going to use the chilling cold of Goss as an excuse to underperform. OSU has played in every type of weather. If there should have been a drop off due to weather it'd have come in the cold, very wet/damp uck series. More concerning is how we compete this weekend. A long season is what truly wears on kids. It is very tough mentally and physically to stay focused and feel good over 3-4 months and 50-60 games. It's why MLB players are special in my opinion... playing even 130+ games out of the 162 is crazy hard! I think we have some tired hombres right now and these short turnarounds will be challenging. I'm not too swayed by 11 year old 'cautionary' events. The only game that matters right now begins in about 54 hours. Looking just a bit ahead, if Beavs win the series w UCLA, even if they don't win the PAC Championship, they'll have a top 3 RPI, and they'll be near-lock for a top 8 seed, despite Scottsdale. Predicted High Temperatures for Scottsdale, Wed - Sun (5/25-29): 106 - 104 - 103 - 102 - 97. "Coldest" overnight temp: 73. 0% chance of precip. throughout. May be tougher on fans from the PNW, than it is on the Beaver players. Kmatz, Tanner Smith, Boisvert should excel. Might be a bit tough on Fuchs, McDowell, Pfennigs, Gavin Logan and Thorsteinson. |
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Post by obf on May 18, 2022 8:12:08 GMT -8
I appreciate the cautionary tale, and definitely hope and expect a repeat performance will not happen. However, I would also not understate just how powerful of a home field advantage 103°F is. Beavers were clearly out of sorts the entire weekend and I am sure Heat played a role. Being back in the PNW will definitely help, and so will getting Boyd back. Yet another reason to want to host both a regional and a super regional. Weather you are accustomed to. I lived in Texas for a while, and the oppressive heat was definitely something I had to acclimate to during the summers. When I first moved there I could barely walk from class to class with out feeling light headed, but by the end of the summer I was running 6 miles a couple times a week in the direct sun. Strangely enough the other thing I had to get used to as an Oregon boy was the AIR CONDITIONING. Many buildings on campus were kept at 68°F, so I would go from 100 and sweating while walking outside, and then shivering during class. I had more colds during the Texas summers than I ever had growing up in wet, chilly Oregon. The constant noise and air movement of the air conditioning was also something I had to get used to. I miss the BBQ though Somewhat agree, but these kids have played in "weather" their entire baseball lives. Heat is not excuse to play like we did. Plus, if it is OSU might as well not head to Scottsdale and why play and regional or super since Omaha weather is much more oppressive than dry heat. OSU played poorly... it wasn't the "pool factor", it wasn't the heat, and it was NOT the umpire crew. OSU simply got beat by a better team on that particular weekend. I'm sure UCLA isn't going to use the chilling cold of Goss as an excuse to underperform. OSU has played in every type of weather. If there should have been a drop off due to weather it'd have come in the cold, very wet/damp uck series. More concerning is how we compete this weekend. A long season is what truly wears on kids. It is very tough mentally and physically to stay focused and feel good over 3-4 months and 50-60 games. It's why MLB players are special in my opinion... playing even 130+ games out of the 162 is crazy hard! I think we have some tired hombres right now and these short turnarounds will be challenging. You are completely right, I am sure the Beavs aren't using any of those excuses either, and I wasn't trying to let them off the hook for their bad play either, just offering some personal anecdotes for the why. They should have still pushed through it or prepared better. I am GLAD they got that experience though, because as you say Scottsdale and Ohmaha will be just as hot and oppressive. Even just that once series can be enough to mentally prepare them for what's to come. On a more technical note... Can some of the poor command over the weekend be due to all of the copious amounts of sweat that I presume each player was expelling? Same question I guess applies for the pouring rain, and Verburg even got warned once for trying to dry his hand on the inside of his jersey, but how do pitchers keep their hands dry in the extreme damp or sweat conditions? Can you take a towel out to the mound (assuming the ump has inspected it) similar to a QB on the football field? |
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Post by rgeorge on May 18, 2022 10:26:07 GMT -8
Somewhat agree, but these kids have played in "weather" their entire baseball lives. Heat is not excuse to play like we did. Plus, if it is OSU might as well not head to Scottsdale and why play and regional or super since Omaha weather is much more oppressive than dry heat. OSU played poorly... it wasn't the "pool factor", it wasn't the heat, and it was NOT the umpire crew. OSU simply got beat by a better team on that particular weekend. I'm sure UCLA isn't going to use the chilling cold of Goss as an excuse to underperform. OSU has played in every type of weather. If there should have been a drop off due to weather it'd have come in the cold, very wet/damp uck series. More concerning is how we compete this weekend. A long season is what truly wears on kids. It is very tough mentally and physically to stay focused and feel good over 3-4 months and 50-60 games. It's why MLB players are special in my opinion... playing even 130+ games out of the 162 is crazy hard! I think we have some tired hombres right now and these short turnarounds will be challenging. You are completely right, I am sure the Beavs aren't using any of those excuses either, and I wasn't trying to let them off the hook for their bad play either, just offering some personal anecdotes for the why. They should have still pushed through it or prepared better. I am GLAD they got that experience though, because as you say Scottsdale and Ohmaha will be just as hot and oppressive. Even just that once series can be enough to mentally prepare them for what's to come. On a more technical note... Can some of the poor command over the weekend be due to all of the copious amounts of sweat that I presume each player was expelling? Same question I guess applies for the pouring rain, and Verburg even got warned once for trying to dry his hand on the inside of his jersey, but how do pitchers keep their hands dry in the extreme damp or sweat conditions? Can you take a towel out to the mound (assuming the ump has inspected it) similar to a QB on the football field? I do not keep up on the minutiae on any recent rule changes, but the home team is/was supposed to supply a dry/rock rosin bag on the back side of the mound. Rosin can be applied to the pitching hand, and wiped on the uniform. Rosin can not be applied directly to the ball. No towels are allowed except in the dugout areas. Some pitchers like rosin, many do not. Some say it can help with moisture, others say it can create an even worse grip issue, and dry sliding feel. Cold and damp typically worse than dry and hot. Heat and high humidity is the worst... like Omaha. Fans sometimes wonder why a pitcher in that type of weather will wear long sleeves. For pitchers that tend to overheat/sweat a lot it provides moisture control and a fabric that may be more absorbent to dry off their pitching hand. Under garments are also easily changed to keep a dry garment next to the skin. Saturated shirts tend to stick and bind, plus feel "heavy". |
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Post by obf on May 23, 2022 9:47:10 GMT -8
You are completely right, I am sure the Beavs aren't using any of those excuses either, and I wasn't trying to let them off the hook for their bad play either, just offering some personal anecdotes for the why. They should have still pushed through it or prepared better. I am GLAD they got that experience though, because as you say Scottsdale and Ohmaha will be just as hot and oppressive. Even just that once series can be enough to mentally prepare them for what's to come. On a more technical note... Can some of the poor command over the weekend be due to all of the copious amounts of sweat that I presume each player was expelling? Same question I guess applies for the pouring rain, and Verburg even got warned once for trying to dry his hand on the inside of his jersey, but how do pitchers keep their hands dry in the extreme damp or sweat conditions? Can you take a towel out to the mound (assuming the ump has inspected it) similar to a QB on the football field? I do not keep up on the minutiae on any recent rule changes, but the home team is/was supposed to supply a dry/rock rosin bag on the back side of the mound. Rosin can be applied to the pitching hand, and wiped on the uniform. Rosin can not be applied directly to the ball. No towels are allowed except in the dugout areas. Some pitchers like rosin, many do not. Some say it can help with moisture, others say it can create an even worse grip issue, and dry sliding feel. Cold and damp typically worse than dry and hot. Heat and high humidity is the worst... like Omaha. Fans sometimes wonder why a pitcher in that type of weather will wear long sleeves. For pitchers that tend to overheat/sweat a lot it provides moisture control and a fabric that may be more absorbent to dry off their pitching hand. Under garments are also easily changed to keep a dry garment next to the skin. Saturated shirts tend to stick and bind, plus feel "heavy". I would have to change my shirt every other batter  |
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