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Post by chinmusic on May 12, 2022 8:54:20 GMT -8
They all make it a point to say hi to Pat Casey and they want to talk with Mitch Canham about his team, but the real reason they are out west is to see some potential first round draft picks that have helium in recent scouting reports. Cooper Hjerpe has been under increasingly close scrutiny since moving up from a pre-season 3rd round pick projection to a mid first-rounder of late. Jacob Melton might be the fastest riser in college baseball after the season he's having in his draft year. OSU issued 39 scout passes at a recent Hjerpe outing. We saw it with Rutschman and we are seeing it again. Goss is swarming with MLB people - Melton has 5 tools and they know what we know, he's a game-changer.
Other Pacic NW players drawing heavy attention are Gonzaga pitcher Gabe Hughes, predicted to go early in the draft and uo shortstop John Kasevitch. Hughes touches 97 mph and has good secondary stuff. Kasevitch can hit and has good leather in the field.
Two prep pitchers that have really raised their stock to the top of MLB draft boards are, Reno - McQueen HS RHP Robbie Snelling and Toutle Lake's RHP Jackson Cox. A large number of scouts have been attending Cox's starts to see the big power pitcher pound the zone at 95 mph with command. Cox, a uo commit now projects early rounds in the draft. Snelling, a 6-3, 215 pound Division I quarterback prospect, has been mowing down northern Nevada hitters for 3 years at Reno-McQueen. Snelling throws 95 mph heat with a + breaking ball that has scouts buzzing. Some scouting departments think he is equal to the nation's best prep pitchers, if not the best.
And of course, while out west they will manage a trip to Tucson to scout the Arizona catcher, who along with Georgia Tech's Kevin Parada is considered to be one of the country's top two college catching prospects and a potential first round draft selection.
With the west receiving some real scouting focus, and specifically Oregon State, it's not only great publicity for Beaver baseball, it's great exposure for our younger players working their way up in the program (Bazzana, Kmatz, Forrester, etc)
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Post by zeroposter on May 12, 2022 9:22:26 GMT -8
Melton’s arm is okay, but not in the plus range. Not a knock—just the truth. All of the other tools are plus. Boyd has as good of arm as I have seen.
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Post by chinmusic on May 12, 2022 10:39:44 GMT -8
Boyd has the hose but you did see Drew Bowser make that play in RF for Stanford. Bowser throws 96 mph off the bump That might top Boyd a wee bit for arm strength.
BTW, you don't have to be + in every category. You can have a 60 grade in a skill and still have 5 tools. Adley graded a 40 in speed, yet was considered for all practical purposes, a 5-tool player.
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Post by rgeorge on May 12, 2022 11:16:48 GMT -8
Boyd has the hose but you did see Drew Bowser make that play in RF for Stanford. Bowser throws 96 mph off the bump That might top Boyd a wee bit for arm strength. BTW, you don't have to be + in every category. You can have a 60 grade in a skill and still have 5 tools. Adley graded a 40 in speed, yet was considered for all practical purposes, a 5-tool player. Last report I saw and verified by a scout last weekend is that Melton is a "50" overall with real questions in terms of holes in his swing diminishing his overall great plate presence. His arm can improve some, but in bigger MLB parks I think he's more a LF type. I could even see a team have him put on 10-15 lbs and convert him to a 1B later on. From various sites and conversations I'd be surprised to see Cooper on Day 1 (he has some flaws in his mechanics/finish) as he has had limited success until this season. Also some seem him closer to a finished product vs others having a higher ceilings. His late "blossoming" (only 89 IP, 4.35 ERA, 4-7 record his first two seasons) have some in the "wait and see" mode for a nice Day 2 pickup. I have seen as many as 25-30 pitchers rated ahead of him (7-10 LHP), but several are coming off injury or surgery!? But the draft is thinking of the future and big time development potential. *Although the Rays seem very intrigued by him. Could they take him with their pick at #29?? Be kinda cool to see him join the same organization that Turner, OR native Ryan Thompson is in! As for Melton it's a tougher call... definitely a Day 2 or even 3, 4?? I've seen as many as 25-40 OFs rated higher including Beavers and Brock Jones. I just don't see Jones as one of the top 3-5 college OFs, but I'm not drafting. I think Melton is again in a bit of the "prove it" situation. A riser with limited production history. Personally I see more upside in Boyd. Too much swing and miss even in the zone, but evens it out with 44 BBs (44 Ks), and has shown more ability to handle the bat. He also has better OF angles, arm, and anticipation/jumps. I would not be surprised to see both of these guys taken very close together. However, I've heard Boyd could benefit from returning for another season to improve his draft stock. Hope he does! |
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Post by ochobeavo on May 12, 2022 11:31:55 GMT -8
Melton’s arm is okay, but not in the plus range. Not a knock—just the truth. All of the other tools are plus. Boyd has as good of arm as I have seen. lol stay safe man! I'm having flashbacks to when a scout said Conforto had a weak arm and we had the Benny's House Posse (BHP) ready to tar and feather. |
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Post by beavs6 on May 12, 2022 11:59:37 GMT -8
They all make it a point to say hi to Pat Casey and they want to talk with Mitch Canham about his team, but the real reason they are out west is to see some potential first round draft picks that have helium in recent scouting reports. Cooper Hjerpe has been under increasingly close scrutiny since moving up from a pre-season 3rd round pick projection to a mid first-rounder of late. Jacob Melton might be the fastest riser in college baseball after the season he's having in his draft year. OSU issued 39 scout passes at a recent Hjerpe outing. We saw it with Rutschman and we are seeing it again. Goss is swarming with MLB people - Melton has 5 tools and they know what we know, he's a game-changer. Other Pacic NW players drawing heavy attention are Gonzaga pitcher Gabe Hughes, predicted to go early in the draft and uo shortstop John Kasevitch. Hughes touches 97 mph and has good secondary stuff. Kasevitch can hit and has good leather in the field. Two prep pitchers that have really raised their stock to the top of MLB draft boards are, Reno - McQueen HS RHP Robbie Snelling and Toutle Lake's RHP Jackson Cox. A large number of scouts have been attending Cox's starts to see the big power pitcher pound the zone at 95 mph with command. Cox, a uo commit now projects early rounds in the draft. Snelling, a 6-3, 215 pound Division I quarterback prospect, has been mowing down northern Nevada hitters for 3 years at Reno-McQueen. Snelling throws 95 mph heat with a + breaking ball that has scouts buzzing. Some scouting departments think he is equal to the nation's best prep pitchers, if not the best. And of course, while out west they will manage a trip to Tucson to scout the Arizona catcher, who along with Georgia Tech's Kevin Parada is considered to be one of the country's top two college catching prospects and a potential first round draft selection. With the west receiving some real scouting focus, and specifically Oregon State, it's not only great publicity for Beaver baseball, it's great exposure for our younger players working their way up in the program (Bazzana, Kmatz, Forrester, etc) Yea, don't mention him by name. Wish we could have kept him. Don't really miss Claunch, but imagine if this OSU Team had said Arizona catcher on it! |
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Post by hottubbeaver on May 12, 2022 12:31:39 GMT -8
Boyd has the hose but you did see Drew Bowser make that play in RF for Stanford. Bowser throws 96 mph off the bump That might top Boyd a wee bit for arm strength. BTW, you don't have to be + in every category. You can have a 60 grade in a skill and still have 5 tools. Adley graded a 40 in speed, yet was considered for all practical purposes, a 5-tool player. Bowser? or did you mean Montgomery |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 12, 2022 12:58:05 GMT -8
They all make it a point to say hi to Pat Casey and they want to talk with Mitch Canham about his team, but the real reason they are out west is to see some potential first round draft picks that have helium in recent scouting reports. Cooper Hjerpe has been under increasingly close scrutiny since moving up from a pre-season 3rd round pick projection to a mid first-rounder of late. Jacob Melton might be the fastest riser in college baseball after the season he's having in his draft year. OSU issued 39 scout passes at a recent Hjerpe outing. We saw it with Rutschman and we are seeing it again. Goss is swarming with MLB people - Melton has 5 tools and they know what we know, he's a game-changer. Other Pacic NW players drawing heavy attention are Gonzaga pitcher Gabe Hughes, predicted to go early in the draft and uo shortstop John Kasevitch. Hughes touches 97 mph and has good secondary stuff. Kasevitch can hit and has good leather in the field. Two prep pitchers that have really raised their stock to the top of MLB draft boards are, Reno - McQueen HS RHP Robbie Snelling and Toutle Lake's RHP Jackson Cox. A large number of scouts have been attending Cox's starts to see the big power pitcher pound the zone at 95 mph with command. Cox, a uo commit now projects early rounds in the draft. Snelling, a 6-3, 215 pound Division I quarterback prospect, has been mowing down northern Nevada hitters for 3 years at Reno-McQueen. Snelling throws 95 mph heat with a + breaking ball that has scouts buzzing. Some scouting departments think he is equal to the nation's best prep pitchers, if not the best. And of course, while out west they will manage a trip to Tucson to scout the Arizona catcher, who along with Georgia Tech's Kevin Parada is considered to be one of the country's top two college catching prospects and a potential first round draft selection. With the west receiving some real scouting focus, and specifically Oregon State, it's not only great publicity for Beaver baseball, it's great exposure for our younger players working their way up in the program (Bazzana, Kmatz, Forrester, etc) Yea, don't mention him by name. Wish we could have kept him. Don't really miss Claunch, but imagine if this OSU Team had said Arizona catcher on it! Yeah, I wish that Oregon State could have kept the second-best draft-eligible catcher. Also, Troy Claunch is tied for seventh in the SEC in RBIs, second among catchers. He is not super high on a bunch of draft boards, but he still rakes. He has a better batting average and OBP than Gavin Logan in SEC play. And unlike most other catchers, his batting average is actually better, since A&M started SEC play than before. All that to say that I would love to have both Claunch and Logan on the team, rather than just Logan. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 12, 2022 13:08:32 GMT -8
Yea, don't mention him by name. Wish we could have kept him. Don't really miss Claunch, but imagine if this OSU Team had said Arizona catcher on it! Yeah, I wish that Oregon State could have kept the second-best draft-eligible catcher. Also, Troy Claunch is tied for seventh in the SEC in RBIs, second among catchers. He is not super high on a bunch of draft boards, but he still rakes. He has a better batting average and OBP than Gavin Logan in SEC play. And unlike most other catchers, his batting average is actually better, since A&M started SEC play than before. All that to say that I would love to have both Claunch and Logan on the team, rather than just Logan. There's more to catching than hitting. Both Logan and Smith are better receivers than Claunch. There were a lot of passed balls last year. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 12, 2022 13:11:30 GMT -8
Yeah, I wish that Oregon State could have kept the second-best draft-eligible catcher. Also, Troy Claunch is tied for seventh in the SEC in RBIs, second among catchers. He is not super high on a bunch of draft boards, but he still rakes. He has a better batting average and OBP than Gavin Logan in SEC play. And unlike most other catchers, his batting average is actually better, since A&M started SEC play than before. All that to say that I would love to have both Claunch and Logan on the team, rather than just Logan. There's more to catching than hitting. Both Logan and Smith are better receivers than Claunch. There were a lot of passed balls last year. I agree with that. Logan's a better true catcher. Claunch is a more consistent hitter. |
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Post by irimi on May 12, 2022 14:03:21 GMT -8
There's more to catching than hitting. Both Logan and Smith are better receivers than Claunch. There were a lot of passed balls last year. I agree with that. Logan's a better true catcher. Claunch is a more consistent hitter. Except when he's inconsistent. Go back and read last year's laments. |
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Post by irimi on May 12, 2022 14:23:48 GMT -8
So I did a little looking because I knew Wilky would. LOL
Last year, in 348 at bats, Claunch hit .305. He scored 26 runs (10.3% of his at bats) and he had 30 RBIs (8.6% of his at bats).
This year, Logan has had 110 at bats. He is hitting .300. He has scored 20 runs (18%) and has knocked in 25 RBIs (23%).
Logan's slugging percentage is 455 to Claunch's 399.
Logan's on base percentage is 391 to Claunch's 379.
Claunch may be having a good year this year, but I am happy with what we have.
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Post by ricke71 on May 12, 2022 15:05:11 GMT -8
So I did a little looking because I knew Wilky would. LOL Last year, in 348 at bats, Claunch hit .305. He scored 26 runs (10.3% of his at bats) and he had 30 RBIs (8.6% of his at bats). This year, Logan has had 110 at bats. He is hitting .300. He has scored 20 runs (18%) and has knocked in 25 RBIs (23%). Logan's slugging percentage is 455 to Claunch's 399. Logan's on base percentage is 391 to Claunch's 379. Claunch may be having a good year this year, but I am happy with what we have. Very happy too with Logan. He seems to have a stronger 'team buy-in' mentality and more of that 'it' factor than Claunch did. And those passed balls last year (combined with HBP, WP and huge #s of BB from some staff members) really put a damper on enjoying the Beavers performance. You never knew when the wheels were about ready to get wobbly. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 12, 2022 15:33:26 GMT -8
So I did a little looking because I knew Wilky would. LOL Last year, in 348 at bats, Claunch hit .305. He scored 26 runs (10.3% of his at bats) and he had 30 RBIs (8.6% of his at bats). This year, Logan has had 110 at bats. He is hitting .300. He has scored 20 runs (18%) and has knocked in 25 RBIs (23%). Logan's slugging percentage is 455 to Claunch's 399. Logan's on base percentage is 391 to Claunch's 379. Claunch may be having a good year this year, but I am happy with what we have. First off, runs and RBI are overrated individual statistics. They make sense looking at runs and RBI out of the whole but do not make much sense looking at by themselves. 2021 only scored one extra run in six extra games than 2022. The problem is that Claunch did not have Logan's team support. Claunch scored 7.8% of the runs that Oregon State has scored in 2021 and drove in 10.1% of the RBI. Logan scored 6% of the runs that Oregon State has scored and drove in 10.3% of the RBI. What about in conference play? Claunch hit .370 in 2021. SLG% of .519. OB% of .430. OPS of .949. Logan is hitting .283 in 2022. SLG% of .500. OB% of .377. OPS of .877. Logan is showing more power than Claunch. But Claunch finished the 2021 regular season on a 15-game conference hitting streak and a 23-game conference on-base streak. Claunch hit safely in 22 of the 27 Pac-12 games that he started and reached safely in 25 of the 28 games that he played. (Claunch was hurt for two of the Wazzu games.) Logan has hit safely in three consecutive Pac-12 games and reached in five consecutive games. Even if he hits/reaches in the next six games, he does not catch Claunch. Logan has only started three games in a weekend twice: the opener in Surprise and Wazzu. Logan only played in all three games one other time, when he had a ninth inning strikeout against Arizona State (out #2 in the ninth). |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 12, 2022 15:39:42 GMT -8
So I did a little looking because I knew Wilky would. LOL Last year, in 348 at bats, Claunch hit .305. He scored 26 runs (10.3% of his at bats) and he had 30 RBIs (8.6% of his at bats). This year, Logan has had 110 at bats. He is hitting .300. He has scored 20 runs (18%) and has knocked in 25 RBIs (23%). Logan's slugging percentage is 455 to Claunch's 399. Logan's on base percentage is 391 to Claunch's 379. Claunch may be having a good year this year, but I am happy with what we have. First off, runs and RBI are overrated individual statistics. They make sense looking at runs and RBI out of the whole but do not make much sense looking at by themselves. 2021 only scored one extra run in six extra games than 2022. The problem is that Claunch did not have Logan's team support. Claunch scored 7.8% of the runs that Oregon State has scored in 2021 and drove in 10.1% of the RBI. Logan scored 6% of the runs that Oregon State has scored and drove in 10.3% of the RBI. What about in conference play? Claunch hit .370 in 2021. SLG% of .519. OB% of .430. OPS of .949. Logan is hitting .283 in 2022. SLG% of .500. OB% of .377. OPS of .877. Logan is showing more power than Claunch. But Claunch finished the 2021 regular season on a 15-game conference hitting streak and a 23-game conference on-base streak. Claunch hit safely in 22 of the 27 Pac-12 games that he started and reached safely in 25 of the 28 games that he played. (Claunch was hurt for two of the Wazzu games.) Logan has hit safely in three consecutive Pac-12 games and reached in five consecutive games. Even if he hits/reaches in the next six games, he does not catch Claunch. Logan has only started three games in a weekend twice: the opener in Surprise and Wazzu. Logan only played in all three games one other time, when he had a ninth inning strikeout against Arizona State (out #2 in the ninth). Now let's see your stat on how many of Claunch's passed balls last year led to runs. |
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