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Post by chinmusic on May 3, 2022 9:27:57 GMT -8
Keeping Wade Meckler from reaching base.
And runnjing wild once he gets there.
Every advance scouting report on Oregon State starts with not allowing Meckler to get on base.
Kwan could really stir the pot. Meckler isn't far behind.
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Post by rgeorge on May 3, 2022 10:16:54 GMT -8
Keeping Wade Meckler from reaching base. And runnjing wild once he gets there. Every advance scouting report on Oregon State starts with not allowing Meckler to get on base. Kwan could really stir the pot. Meckler isn't far behind. Hmmmm... not sure this is real accurate in terms of "running wild", so I had to take a peek. Meckler is getting on base (.348 BA / 15th... .459 OBP / 9th), but he's not running wild. In Pac12 play he has 4 SB in 7 SBA (3 CS in Pac12 play is tops) 4th on his own team. As far as Kwan comparison, leaving out one is a MLB, and in my opinion one will never be (would gladly be wrong)... the major difference to me is Kwan had above average arm strength and far better plate discipline... 50 BB vs 18 Ks his last season (Meckler 33 BB/29 Ks as of today). MC doesn't seem to like small ball as much as PC did, but Kwan seemed to be a much better situational hitter/handled the bat better. Meckler get big hits, a lot of key doubles, but not the overall player at the same point in their careers. I'd love to have a couple of either player on my lineup card. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 3, 2022 12:26:26 GMT -8
Keeping Wade Meckler from reaching base. And runnjing wild once he gets there. Every advance scouting report on Oregon State starts with not allowing Meckler to get on base. Kwan could really stir the pot. Meckler isn't far behind. Hmmmm... not sure this is real accurate in terms of "running wild", so I had to take a peek. Meckler is getting on base (.348 BA / 15th... .459 OBP / 9th), but he's not running wild. In Pac12 play he has 4 SB in 7 SBA (3 CS in Pac12 play is tops) 4th on his own team. As far as Kwan comparison, leaving out one is a MLB, and in my opinion one will never be (would gladly be wrong)... the major difference to me is Kwan had above average arm strength and far better plate discipline... 50 BB vs 18 Ks his last season (Meckler 33 BB/29 Ks as of today). MC doesn't seem to like small ball as much as PC did, but Kwan seemed to be a much better situational hitter/handled the bat better. Meckler get big hits, a lot of key doubles, but not the overall player at the same point in their careers. I'd love to have a couple of either player on my lineup card. Meckler's talent level right now is somewhere between Max Gordon and Kwan. All scrappy players who are great fits on a college team. But, not necessarily sure-fire MLB'ers. Kwan put in a lot of work and proved me wrong. I never thought he would make it with his lack of power at the plate. |
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Post by mbabeav on May 3, 2022 13:44:02 GMT -8
Keeping Wade Meckler from reaching base. And runnjing wild once he gets there. Every advance scouting report on Oregon State starts with not allowing Meckler to get on base. Kwan could really stir the pot. Meckler isn't far behind. Hmmmm... not sure this is real accurate in terms of "running wild", so I had to take a peek. Meckler is getting on base (.348 BA / 15th... .459 OBP / 9th), but he's not running wild. In Pac12 play he has 4 SB in 7 SBA (3 CS in Pac12 play is tops) 4th on his own team. As far as Kwan comparison, leaving out one is a MLB, and in my opinion one will never be (would gladly be wrong)... the major difference to me is Kwan had above average arm strength and far better plate discipline... 50 BB vs 18 Ks his last season (Meckler 33 BB/29 Ks as of today). MC doesn't seem to like small ball as much as PC did, but Kwan seemed to be a much better situational hitter/handled the bat better. Meckler get big hits, a lot of key doubles, but not the overall player at the same point in their careers. I'd love to have a couple of either player on my lineup card. Give me one of each, thank you |
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Post by irimi on May 3, 2022 14:27:28 GMT -8
Hmmmm... not sure this is real accurate in terms of "running wild", so I had to take a peek. Meckler is getting on base (.348 BA / 15th... .459 OBP / 9th), but he's not running wild. In Pac12 play he has 4 SB in 7 SBA (3 CS in Pac12 play is tops) 4th on his own team. As far as Kwan comparison, leaving out one is a MLB, and in my opinion one will never be (would gladly be wrong)... the major difference to me is Kwan had above average arm strength and far better plate discipline... 50 BB vs 18 Ks his last season (Meckler 33 BB/29 Ks as of today). MC doesn't seem to like small ball as much as PC did, but Kwan seemed to be a much better situational hitter/handled the bat better. Meckler get big hits, a lot of key doubles, but not the overall player at the same point in their careers. I'd love to have a couple of either player on my lineup card. Give me one of each, thank you Let's say that you have Kwan and Meckler on your team. Where do you put them in your lineup? Personally, I really like Kwan's leadoff style, but it is hard to argue with Meckler's on base percentage. I think I'd work them 1 and 2. Kwan first, Meckler to follow. Oh that combo would be rough for opposing teams! |
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Post by bvogrande on May 3, 2022 15:17:25 GMT -8
Give me one of each, thank you Let's say that you have Kwan and Meckler on your team. Where do you put them in your lineup? Personally, I really like Kwan's leadoff style, but it is hard to argue with Meckler's on base percentage. I think I'd work them 1 and 2. Kwan first, Meckler to follow.
Oh that combo would be rough for opposing teams! then Adley, Melton, and Larnach. Oh wait, I forgot Mikey. Better to leave it up to the skipper. |
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Post by beavaristotle on May 3, 2022 15:48:25 GMT -8
Give me one of each, thank you Let's say that you have Kwan and Meckler on your team. Where do you put them in your lineup? Personally, I really like Kwan's leadoff style, but it is hard to argue with Meckler's on base percentage. I think I'd work them 1 and 2. Kwan first, Meckler to follow. Oh that combo would be rough for opposing teams! where you put them is a first world problem |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 3, 2022 16:45:47 GMT -8
Let's say that you have Kwan and Meckler on your team. Where do you put them in your lineup? Personally, I really like Kwan's leadoff style, but it is hard to argue with Meckler's on base percentage. I think I'd work them 1 and 2. Kwan first, Meckler to follow.
Oh that combo would be rough for opposing teams! then Adley, Melton, and Larnach. Oh wait, I forgot Mikey. Better to leave it up to the skipper. What about Jacoby and Darwin? |
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Post by hottubbeaver on May 3, 2022 19:59:22 GMT -8
Curse you for this post. The win makes it all good though.
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Post by chinmusic on May 3, 2022 21:16:47 GMT -8
Good argument to have - "Meckler running wild".
I think he has been running wild because by definition, his baserunning has been sensational.
His slash is eye-catching. .362/ .462/ .495. The .462 OB% is the number I am interested in. Meckler is running the bases on almost half his plate appearances.
In 44 games, he has been on base 107 times, or 2.5 times per game played this season.
He has scored 55 times in 44 games. Ask yourself, how many times has his speed and moxy sent him flying home from first or second base? He is not a station to station baserunner, he takes the extra base at every opportunity and on several occasions, when there wasn't an opportunity.
He has 15 doubles, were any of those "stretched singles"?
He isn't "green lighted" on SBAs as much as Boyd (20/25), or Melton (17/18), but his 10/14 is 3rd on a team with probably 2 of the best thieves in the conference.
We're not making any Steven Kwan comparisons here. Kwan was the master of creating chaos for opposing pitchers and defenders.
I don't know how you would define it any other way . . . Meckler has been running wild on the base paths all year.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 4, 2022 5:13:25 GMT -8
Hmmmm... not sure this is real accurate in terms of "running wild", so I had to take a peek. Meckler is getting on base (.348 BA / 15th... .459 OBP / 9th), but he's not running wild. In Pac12 play he has 4 SB in 7 SBA (3 CS in Pac12 play is tops) 4th on his own team. As far as Kwan comparison, leaving out one is a MLB, and in my opinion one will never be (would gladly be wrong)... the major difference to me is Kwan had above average arm strength and far better plate discipline... 50 BB vs 18 Ks his last season (Meckler 33 BB/29 Ks as of today). MC doesn't seem to like small ball as much as PC did, but Kwan seemed to be a much better situational hitter/handled the bat better. Meckler get big hits, a lot of key doubles, but not the overall player at the same point in their careers. I'd love to have a couple of either player on my lineup card. Meckler's talent level right now is somewhere between Max Gordon and Kwan. All scrappy players who are great fits on a college team. But, not necessarily sure-fire MLB'ers. Kwan put in a lot of work and proved me wrong. I never thought he would make it with his lack of power at the plate. Meckler is a much better hitter than Gordon was. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 4, 2022 5:22:40 GMT -8
Meckler's talent level right now is somewhere between Max Gordon and Kwan. All scrappy players who are great fits on a college team. But, not necessarily sure-fire MLB'ers. Kwan put in a lot of work and proved me wrong. I never thought he would make it with his lack of power at the plate. Meckler is a much better hitter than Gordon was. Yes, he is. I was just categorizing them by style. All high effort scrappers that are much better players than you would think, based on their natural athleticism. |
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Post by irimi on May 4, 2022 6:54:31 GMT -8
Good argument to have - "Meckler running wild". I think he has been running wild because by definition, his baserunning has been sensational. His slash is eye-catching. .362/ .462/ .495. The .462 OB% is the number I am interested in. Meckler is running the bases on almost half his plate appearances. In 44 games, he has been on base 107 times, or 2.5 times per game played this season. He has scored 55 times in 44 games. Ask yourself, how many times has his speed and moxy sent him flying home from first or second base? He is not a station to station baserunner, he takes the extra base at every opportunity and on several occasions, when there wasn't an opportunity. He has 15 doubles, were any of those "stretched singles"? He isn't "green lighted" on SBAs as much as Boyd (20/25), or Melton (17/18), but his 10/14 is 3rd on a team with probably 2 of the best thieves in the conference. We're not making any Steven Kwan comparisons here. Kwan was the master of creating chaos for opposing pitchers and defenders. I don't know how you would define it any other way . . . Meckler has been running wild on the base paths all year. I respect his competitiveness. I think this is what he shares in common with Kwan and perhaps why fans are inclined to compare the two. It serves the lead off batter well. When Meckler is going, he is a huge asset to the team. |
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Post by badwack on May 4, 2022 8:48:16 GMT -8
The Quacks got Meckler. However I would sure like to see Melton and Bazz both making the same kind of contact Meckler produces. (add about 4 more guys) I don't think it all pitching that has Melton hitting ground balls after ground balls. Bazz has been on Hitting Strike but last night he finally hit one down the line with some sting. Early in the year Melton was flat out scary at the Plate and hitting the hell out of most everything. Let's get that Melton back!
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Post by irimi on May 4, 2022 9:29:08 GMT -8
The Quacks got Meckler. However I would sure like to see Melton and Bazz both making the same kind of contact Meckler produces. (add about 4 more guys) I don't think it all pitching that has Melton hitting ground balls after ground balls. Bazz has been on Hitting Strike but last night he finally hit one down the line with some sting. Early in the year Melton was flat out scary at the Plate and hitting the hell out of most everything. Let's get that Melton back! You gotta remember that when the team scouts do their jobs, they find the holes in the batter's swing and the pitcher throws to these weaknesses. So it's easier to go on a tear for a batter when there isn't much to study. But now after all these games, they know how to pitch to our hitters. The key is taking advantage of mistakes. And improving your swing. |
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