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Post by chinmusic on Apr 30, 2022 17:15:57 GMT -8
Continuing the OSU class rankings – Let’s look at the seventeen commits currently in the 2023 recruiting class. These guys are playing their Junior seasons this spring and their rankings will fluctuate (some considerably) as they play their 2022 high school and travel ball seasons. In looking at the rankings, consider that generally, the northwest players don’t receive the exposure players in other regions do. The few elite players in the northwest play on national travel teams by invitation and attend national showcase events. Others are qualified but don’t receive invitations or choose not to participate – travel is expensive. Another consideration in reviewing this list of 17 commitments, is that about half of these players are walking-on at OSU.
LHP Paul Wilson, Lake Oswego, OR.- Lakeridge HS. Perfect Game ranking range is 72-81 Nationally, and #1 on the Oregon Top-25. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #17 Nationally and #1 on the Oregon Top-30. Baseball America ranks him #36 on their National Top-100. Baseball Northwest ranks him #1 on their Oregon Top-35.
RHP James DeCremer, Phoenix, AZ. - Brophy Prep. Perfect Game ranking range is 174-185 Nationally, and #6 on Arizona Top-40. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #246 Nationally and #9 on their Arizona Top-50.
RHP Matthew Morrell, Placentia, CA. - Cypress HS. Perfect game ranking range is #325-348 and #44 on California-150. No ranking with Prep Baseball Report.
RHP Drew Talavs, West Linn, OR. HS. Perfect Game ranking range of #329-353 and #4 on the Oregon Top-25. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #148 Nationally and #3 on their Oregon Top-30. Baseball Northwest ranks him #2 on their Oregon Top-35.
RHP Ethan Unruh, Woodenville, WA. HS. Perfect Game ranking range is Top-500 inclusion and #15 on the Washington Top-40. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #7 on their Washington Top-50. Baseball Northwest ranks him #5 on their Washington Top-60.
RHP Spencer Green, Richland, WA. HS. No ranking with Perfect Game. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #8 on their Washington Top-50. Baseball Northwest ranks him #6 on their Washington Top-60.
RHP Easton Corey, Pendleton, OR. HS. No ranking with Perfect Game. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #8 in Oregon on their Top-30. Baseball Northwest ranks him #9 on their Oregon Top-35.
RHP Eric Segura, Soledad, CA. HS. Perfect Game ranking range is #409-423 and is ranked #60 on the California-150. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #122 on their California Top-200.
C Anthony Marnell, Las Vegas, NV. - Bishop Gorman HS. Perfect Game ranks him Top-500 inclusion and #9 on the Nevada Top-30. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #315 Nationally and #5 on their Nevada Top-30.
C Evan Gustafson, Eau Claire, WI. - Altoona HS. Perfect Game ranking range is 424-486 Nationally. and ranked #7 on Wisconsin Top-30. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #354 Nationally and #5 on their Wisconsin Top-40.
IF Trent Carraway, San Juan Capistrano, CA. - J.Serra HS. Perfect game ranking range is #45-47 Nationally and #12 on California-150. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #98 Nationally and #18 on their California Top-200. Baseball America ranks him #99 on their National Top-100.
IF Levi Jones, Portland, OR. - Jesuit HS. Perfect Game ranks him Top-500 inclusion Nationally and #6 on Oregon Top-25. Prep Baseball Report ranks him
#9 on their Oregon Top-30. Baseball Northwest ranks him #7 on their Oregon
IF Reeve Boyd, Seattle, WA. - Seattle Prep. Perfect Game ranks him Top-500 inclusion and #13 on Washington Top-40. Prep Baseball Report ranks him
on their Washington Top-50. Baseball Northwest ranks him #9 on their Washington Top-60.
IF Ty Doucette, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia - Foothill Composite School in Okotocs, Alberta. Perfect Game ranks him Top-500 inclusion Nationally (USA) and #6 in Canada. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #234 Nationally (USA), #2 in Alberta Province, and #5 in Canada.
OF Carson McEntire, Peoria, AZ. - Mountain Ridge HS. Perfect Game ranking range 414-436 Nationally and ranks him #11 on their Arizona Top-40. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #226 Nationally and #4 on their Arizona Top-50.
OF Jayden Holloway, Seattle, WA. - Seattle Prep. Perfect Game ranks him Top-500 inclusion Nationally and #9 on Washington Top-40. Prep Baseball Report ranks him #14 on their Washington Top-50. Baseball Northwest ranks him #29 on the Washington Top-60.
OF Zach Blair, Camas, WA. HS. No ranking with Perfect Game. Prep Baseball Report ranked #30 on Washington Top-50. Baseball Northwest ranks him #35 on their Washington Top-60.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 30, 2022 19:10:26 GMT -8
Man that’s a crap load of pitchers. Mitch must expect a fair amount to go in the draft.
Is Zach Blair our QB Jake Blairs brother?
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Post by chinmusic on Apr 30, 2022 21:08:55 GMT -8
Zach and Jake are from the same gene pool.
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Post by rainmanrich on May 1, 2022 6:42:31 GMT -8
Is it me or do the rankings seem low for a top tier program recruiting class?
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Post by qbeaver on May 1, 2022 11:20:55 GMT -8
Not enough LHP in my book. Wouldn't be surprised to see Wilson sign. We have very few on the current roster.
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Post by chinmusic on May 1, 2022 15:47:31 GMT -8
Just as a point of discussion, what is the advantage of having a LHP as opposed to a RHP? Baseball "traditionalists" believe there is a definite advantage for a LHP throwing against a LH Hitter. If that's the case, LHP's are at a disadvantage going up an average lineup of 6 or 7 RH hitters. Correct? Note that OSU's lefty-loaded lineup is an exception, not the rule, most hitters are predominantly RH.
OK, so why does a LHP have that advantage over a LH hitter? Well, there is a slight advantage because of the armside angle of the pitch being from the hitter's side of the plate, not the opposite side which is easier for the batter to pick up. Case in point, watch LH hitters try to deal with the angle they see from Cooper Hjerpe.The biggest perceived advantage is a LHP will throw breaking balls away from a LH hitter. More difficult to track and make good contact. I'd say true.
Let's put a RHP up against a LH hitter. I'll use Kevin Abel for example. Ables fast ball had good armside "run" - away from a LH hitter, just like a lefty's curve ball or slider. Kevin threw a a two-seamer that sank. A good sinking fastball is equally effective against LH or RH hitters, and the same holds true for a LHP with a sinker. That's a wash but gives the RHP another out pitch.
A RHP with a good circle change, or fork ball, will tumble and tail the pitch against a LH hitter. A LHP throwing the same pitch wil be into a LH hitter. That is a disadvantage. The bottom line is this; if you have a RHP who throws a 4-seamer with armside run or tail, that has the same affect on a LH hitter as a LHP's breaking ball. The RHP with the "OK" change-up has an advantage pitching to a LH hitter. Both LHP and RHP are effective with anything with vertical break.
From listening to Coaches Canham and Dorman, upside,strike throwing,velo and competiveness are their priorties in recruiting pitchers. I have concluded, being left handed is down the list of priorities in evaluating pitchers. Wilson, Keljo, and Hyde were recruited because they are outstanding pitchers that check all the other boxes and just happened to be portsiders.
Another point: Today, the Beavs are 33-9 with 3 LHP on their staff and 2 of those 3 pitch infrequently. Simply put, we have Cooper Hjerpe as our LHP. We appear to managing the "southpaw shortage" OK so far.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 2, 2022 13:44:56 GMT -8
I’ll take a good pitcher, I don’t care what hand they use.
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Post by qbeaver on May 2, 2022 15:59:31 GMT -8
Just as a point of discussion, what is the advantage of having a LHP as opposed to a RHP? Baseball "traditionalists" believe there is a definite advantage for a LHP throwing against a LH Hitter. If that's the case, LHP's are at a disadvantage going up an average lineup of 6 or 7 RH hitters. Correct? Note that OSU's lefty-loaded lineup is an exception, not the rule, most hitters are predominantly RH. OK, so why does a LHP have that advantage over a LH hitter? Well, there is a slight advantage because of the armside angle of the pitch being from the hitter's side of the plate, not the opposite side which is easier for the batter to pick up. Case in point, watch LH hitters try to deal with the angle they see from Cooper Hjerpe.The biggest perceived advantage is a LHP will throw breaking balls away from a LH hitter. More difficult to track and make good contact. I'd say true. Let's put a RHP up against a LH hitter. I'll use Kevin Abel for example. Ables fast ball had good armside "run" - away from a LH hitter, just like a lefty's curve ball or slider. Kevin threw a a two-seamer that sank. A good sinking fastball is equally effective against LH or RH hitters, and the same holds true for a LHP with a sinker. That's a wash but gives the RHP another out pitch. A RHP with a good circle change, or fork ball, will tumble and tail the pitch against a LH hitter. A LHP throwing the same pitch wil be into a LH hitter. That is a disadvantage. The bottom line is this; if you have a RHP who throws a 4-seamer with armside run or tail, that has the same affect on a LH hitter as a LHP's breaking ball. The RHP with the "OK" change-up has an advantage pitching to a LH hitter. Both LHP and RHP are effective with anything with vertical break. From listening to Coaches Canham and Dorman, upside,strike throwing,velo and competiveness are their priorties in recruiting pitchers. I have concluded, being left handed is down the list of priorities in evaluating pitchers. Wilson, Keljo, and Hyde were recruited because they are outstanding pitchers that check all the other boxes and just happened to be portsiders. Another point: Today, the Beavs are 33-9 with 3 LHP on their staff and 2 of those 3 pitch infrequently. Simply put, we have Cooper Hjerpe as our LHP. We appear to managing the "southpaw shortage" OK so far. Point well taken. I was sitting last fall at practice sitting with a pro scout and a solid ex Valley league pitcher. Both were concerned about osu this season and their lack of LHP on the roster. Obviously,osu has done very well this season even with a lack of left handed arms. I guess I would just feel better if we had several arms each year on the roster who were lefties. I know baseball,but not a coach by any stretch. Maybe just for match ups if nothing else late in games. |
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Post by chinmusic on May 3, 2022 9:20:49 GMT -8
Ideally, you would like to see OSU sign the best pitchers available to them. Which side they throw from isn't the primary issue, room for development is. MC and RD are very confident in their ability to develop good raw material into a finished product. Leftys are in the minority and the good ones (like Wilson) are recruited by everyone and difficult to land. Do you settle for a "B" list left hander over an "A" list right hander just for the sake of taking a LHP? Every class should include the best 5 or 6 pitchers with potential you can recruit, regardless of which side they throw from.
RD likes big kids with some athleticism when he can find it- many are good basketball players. Pfennigs is 6'7, Lawson is 6'6, Carpenter is 6'8, Mundt is 6'5, Giblin was 6'5, Nelson is 6'5, Marshall-Inman is 6'6, Keljo is 6'4, Unruh is 6'6, Sorenson is 6'4 and growing. Velocity is always an attraction for any pitching coach but it isn't driving the bus with our coaches. Command and spin are hot buttons for our staff. . . .from either side, left or right.
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Post by sonomabeav on May 3, 2022 9:45:21 GMT -8
I've always thought that the LHP vs LHH match up is tough on the hitter just due to the fact that LHHs don't face much LHP during their youth / age 8-17 formative years.
RHH are totally used to seeing RHP from the first time they pick up baseball bats.
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on May 28, 2022 7:49:27 GMT -8
Here’s to Paul Wilson and Trent Carraway becoming Beavs.....maybe Paul is seeing all the attention that Hjerpe is getting and will step in to replace him 😬
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