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Post by finleybandbeav on Apr 27, 2022 20:04:49 GMT -8
Trust me, as someone who watches a lot of games played by not so great teams back east (thanks espn+) - FDU is in the NEC conference, which is more or less at the bottom of the food chain here. A bump up is the MAAC (w/St. Peters!), then you have the far better conferences - the A-10, Big East, and of course, the all-mighty ACC, etc.
OSU is in a Power 5 conference. I think that says it all as far as why this is a non-comparison.
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Post by ag87 on Apr 28, 2022 1:51:37 GMT -8
Yes, the NEC is bottom of the barrel. Until the online explosion in betting a few years ago, you could not find a line on their games. Now I know there are two St. Francis's in that conference.
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Post by osufan2k on Apr 28, 2022 12:37:21 GMT -8
Respectfully, I judge a coach by how many seasons he has overachieved. He has a phenomenal season, a great season, three good seasons, a meh season and two bad. We are two years removed from an Elite Eight appearance. I am going to give the guy a mulligan and look forward to better days ahead. How do you judge the success of a season? Are you going off the results of the entire season, or only how it ended? I'm assuming the "phenomenal" season is 2020/21 and the elite eight? That was a phenomenal way to end the season, but the team went 10-10 in conference and finished 6th place. They were one free throw away from losing their first pac12 tournament game and their season would have been over with no expected invite to the NIT or NCAA. Which one is the great season? Is that the 2015/16 season? 19-13 (9-9) and another 6th place finish? That's a great season? The NCAA appearance was nice and it was a good season, but overall a great season? Three good seasons? 2018/19 they finished 4th (18-13) and it's the only season he's had a winning conference record (10-8). That was a good season but what other seasons have been good? Every other year they've finished 7th place or worse and have had losing conference records. I would say 2017/18 (16-16, 7-11) and a 10th place finish was a bad season. I don't think "bad" is the correct way to describe 5-27 and 3-27. Those are two of the worst seasons in conference history. Those two seasons were awful, horrible, horrific. Better days ahead should be easy to accomplish when he only needs to win 4 games to improve from last years embarrassment. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 28, 2022 12:51:56 GMT -8
Respectfully, I judge a coach by how many seasons he has overachieved. He has a phenomenal season, a great season, three good seasons, a meh season and two bad. We are two years removed from an Elite Eight appearance. I am going to give the guy a mulligan and look forward to better days ahead. How do you judge the success of a season? Are you going off the results of the entire season, or only how it ended?
I'm assuming the "phenomenal" season is 2020/21 and the elite eight? That was a phenomenal way to end the season, but the team went 10-10 in conference and finished 6th place. They were one free throw away from losing their first pac12 tournament game and their season would have been over with no expected invite to the NIT or NCAA. Which one is the great season? Is that the 2015/16 season? 19-13 (9-9) and another 6th place finish? That's a great season? The NCAA appearance was nice and it was a good season, but overall a great season? Three good seasons? 2018/19 they finished 4th (18-13) and it's the only season he's had a winning conference record (10-8). That was a good season but what other seasons have been good? Every other year they've finished 7th place or worse and have had losing conference records. I would say 2017/18 (16-16, 7-11) and a 10th place finish was a bad season. I don't think "bad" is the correct way to describe 5-27 and 3-27. Those are two of the worst seasons in conference history. Those two seasons were awful, horrible, horrific. Better days ahead should be easy to accomplish when he only needs to win 4 games to improve from last years embarrassment. I think they 2007 baseball team would agree that you go by how it ended. That team was 10-14 in conference and also finished in 6th place. According to you, that would be a bad season.....I guess I'll have to throw away my t-shirt. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 28, 2022 16:51:44 GMT -8
They were one free throw away from losing their first pac12 tournament game and their season would have been over with no expected invite to the NIT or NCAA.
But guess what, most of the rest of us live in the real world, where what actually happened matters, not what might have happened. The kid missed the FT. And they won the Pac-12 tournament. And they won three NCAA games to reach the Elite 8.
So yes, that's great season.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 28, 2022 17:21:36 GMT -8
In my book, whether you've won by one shot or lost by one shot, you've played competitively. We saw a LOT of un-competitive basketball games in the 24 or so years leading up to Tinkle's hire.
If you say one shot could have lost us the game and the season then you should probably acknowledge one shot could win a game. There were 4 games the Beavs lost in that 2017-2018 season that 1 extra basket in regulation time would have won games. 1 basket in every game, which is basically a lucky or unlucky bounce in most occasions and happens every game, kept that season from being a 20 and 12 season. Well, 20 and 12 didn't happen, but it was a quite competitive season. One missed free throw in the Elite 8 didn't happen either, it was good- and some people here instead of taking the good with the bad will only take the bad.
With the exception of two very bad seasons, the Beavs under Tinkle have been overall much more competitive than they had been in a couple decades.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on May 11, 2022 19:18:29 GMT -8
Imo it is time to put to bed the "should WT be fired or not" discussion. The arguments have been made ad nauseum and we know where everyone stands on the issue. I think we can all agree on one thing, he will be the coach next season and the team will need to show significant improvement for him to keep his job. How much improvement they will need to show is open to debate. it'll never be put to bed until sTinkle's key to Gill Coliseum does not work anymore. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 12, 2022 12:35:05 GMT -8
Imo it is time to put to bed the "should WT be fired or not" discussion. The arguments have been made ad nauseum and we know where everyone stands on the issue. I think we can all agree on one thing, he will be the coach next season and the team will need to show significant improvement for him to keep his job. How much improvement they will need to show is open to debate. it'll never be put to bed until sTinkle's key to Gill Coliseum does not work anymore.  I have not seen a fanbase advocate to actively destroy a team since the red-faced Fire Riley crowd was spouting gibberish in 2013. The odds that Barnesy can hire anyone who will win a Pac-12 Championship or put together an Elite Eight run in the next decade is probably more remote than a meteor striking Matthew Knight Arena. I can't wait for Oregon State basketball to be year-in and year-out just awful! I am tired of winning most years! Let's burn it all down and build from the ashes! Get the torches and gasoline boys! We're going to go out in a blaze of glory! I am loving this. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 12, 2022 12:55:19 GMT -8
The odds that Barnesy can hire anyone who will win a Pac-12 Championship or put together an Elite Eight run in the next decade is probably more remote than a meteor striking Matthew Knight Arena.
No AD since Lynn Snyder has hired a men's basketball coach who has won a conference regular-season title. So I wouldn't hold that against Barnes, whose other hires (men's soccer, baseball, CC/T&F, wrestling, women's soccer, football, women's crew) have all worked out pretty well so far.
I thought Mitch Barnhart was as good and as smart as any AD we've ever had. Yet he completely blew two MBB coaching opportunities by hiring Richie McKay and Jay John, and was going to hire Chris Tormey as football coach until Erickson fell into his lap. Hiring coaches isn't as easy as fans often make it out to be, even programs with great histories (like USC football) often mess it up.
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Post by osufan2k on May 12, 2022 14:11:43 GMT -8
it'll never be put to bed until sTinkle's key to Gill Coliseum does not work anymore. I have not seen a fanbase advocate to actively destroy a team since the red-faced Fire Riley crowd was spouting gibberish in 2013. The odds that Barnesy can hire anyone who will win a Pac-12 Championship or put together an Elite Eight run in the next decade is probably more remote than a meteor striking Matthew Knight Arena. I can't wait for Oregon State basketball to be year-in and year-out just awful! I am tired of winning most years! Let's burn it all down and build from the ashes! Get the torches and gasoline boys! We're going to go out in a blaze of glory! I am loving this. What is left to destroy that Tinkle has not already done on his own? Can we talk about the odds of them winning more than 3 games next season? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 12, 2022 14:32:07 GMT -8
The odds that Barnesy can hire anyone who will win a Pac-12 Championship or put together an Elite Eight run in the next decade is probably more remote than a meteor striking Matthew Knight Arena.No AD since Lynn Snyder has hired a men's basketball coach who has won a conference regular-season title. So I wouldn't hold that against Barnes, whose other hires (men's soccer, baseball, CC/T&F, wrestling, women's soccer, football, women's crew) have all worked out pretty well so far. I thought Mitch Barnhart was as good and as smart as any AD we've ever had. Yet he completely blew two MBB coaching opportunities by hiring Richie McKay and Jay John, and was going to hire Chris Tormey as football coach until Erickson fell into his lap. Hiring coaches isn't as easy as fans often make it out to be, even programs with great histories (like USC football) often mess it up. Thank you for proving my point. Well said! |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 12, 2022 14:36:17 GMT -8
I have not seen a fanbase advocate to actively destroy a team since the red-faced Fire Riley crowd was spouting gibberish in 2013. The odds that Barnesy can hire anyone who will win a Pac-12 Championship or put together an Elite Eight run in the next decade is probably more remote than a meteor striking Matthew Knight Arena. I can't wait for Oregon State basketball to be year-in and year-out just awful! I am tired of winning most years! Let's burn it all down and build from the ashes! Get the torches and gasoline boys! We're going to go out in a blaze of glory! I am loving this. What is left to destroy that Tinkle has not already done on his own? Can we talk about the odds of them winning more than 3 games next season? Let me go back, and check the tape. Nope, still Pac-12 Champs and an Elite Eight. Nothing is destroyed. Things may not regressed, but absolutely nothing is destroyed. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 12, 2022 15:12:03 GMT -8
I have not seen a fanbase advocate to actively destroy a team since the red-faced Fire Riley crowd was spouting gibberish in 2013. The odds that Barnesy can hire anyone who will win a Pac-12 Championship or put together an Elite Eight run in the next decade is probably more remote than a meteor striking Matthew Knight Arena. I can't wait for Oregon State basketball to be year-in and year-out just awful! I am tired of winning most years! Let's burn it all down and build from the ashes! Get the torches and gasoline boys! We're going to go out in a blaze of glory! I am loving this. What is left to destroy that Tinkle has not already done on his own? Can we talk about the odds of them winning more than 3 games next season? So you seriously don't think they'll win more than 3 games next year? Sounds a lot like the guys who were predicting much the same for Tinkle's 16 win 4th season. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on May 12, 2022 15:23:58 GMT -8
it'll never be put to bed until sTinkle's key to Gill Coliseum does not work anymore. I have not seen a fanbase advocate to actively destroy a team since the red-faced Fire Riley crowd was spouting gibberish in 2013. The odds that Barnesy can hire anyone who will win a Pac-12 Championship or put together an Elite Eight run in the next decade is probably more remote than a meteor striking Matthew Knight Arena. I can't wait for Oregon State basketball to be year-in and year-out just awful! I am tired of winning most years! Let's burn it all down and build from the ashes! Get the torches and gasoline boys! We're going to go out in a blaze of glory! I am loving this. Wait, it's the fanbase's problem that Wayne failed in 2022? I've heard it all. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on May 12, 2022 15:25:56 GMT -8
I have not seen a fanbase advocate to actively destroy a team since the red-faced Fire Riley crowd was spouting gibberish in 2013. The odds that Barnesy can hire anyone who will win a Pac-12 Championship or put together an Elite Eight run in the next decade is probably more remote than a meteor striking Matthew Knight Arena. I can't wait for Oregon State basketball to be year-in and year-out just awful! I am tired of winning most years! Let's burn it all down and build from the ashes! Get the torches and gasoline boys! We're going to go out in a blaze of glory! I am loving this. What is left to destroy that Tinkle has not already done on his own? Can we talk about the odds of them winning more than 3 games next season? That's exactly it. People keep pointing to the Elite Eight run....but completely gloss over last year's debacle...both of which weigh EXACTLY EQUAL in terms of records. I wonder why that is, just give Wayne a lifetime contract since his team did very well one single year? |
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