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Post by zeroposter on Apr 4, 2022 14:35:27 GMT -8
Esquer, the Stanford coach, loves to control tempo. When he was the Cal coach, particularly in the 2005-2010 period, would walk slowly out in front of the dugout and give the signals to his team. Then he would slowly return to the dugout. EVERY PITCH.
With the clock, he still controls the tempo. Oregon State and every team does it as well. As was noted in an earlier discussion, one of the field umps actually is the official timer rather than the visible, field clock with runners on base. Anyway, the pitchers are apparently all getting a catcher signal that the clock is nearing zero, so there is a signal and the pitcher will do a fake throw to a base. Clock starts fresh. I appreciate the fake throws that are an actual part of game strategy, but there must have been 50 times yesterday when the clock was approaching zero that the pitcher would kill the clock with a half-assed fake toss. The end result-an even slower game. Both teams. Get rid of the clock. Imho. And it is just mhm. I do know the average CWS game has gotten slower despite the efforts to speed the game up. At least the last data I saw said that item.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 4, 2022 15:29:15 GMT -8
I thought we determined the pitch clock was not in effect with runners on base.
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Post by irimi on Apr 4, 2022 15:35:59 GMT -8
Esquer, the Stanford coach, loves to control tempo. When he was the Cal coach, particularly in the 2005-2010 period, would walk slowly out in front of the dugout and give the signals to his team. Then he would slowly return to the dugout. EVERY PITCH. With the clock, he still controls the tempo. Oregon State and every team does it as well. As was noted in an earlier discussion, one of the field umps actually is the official timer rather than the visible, field clock with runners on base. Anyway, the pitchers are apparently all getting a catcher signal that the clock is nearing zero, so there is a signal and the pitcher will do a fake throw to a base. Clock starts fresh. I appreciate the fake throws that are an actual part of game strategy, but there must have been 50 times yesterday when the clock was approaching zero that the pitcher would kill the clock with a half-assed fake toss. The end result-an even slower game. Both teams. Get rid of the clock. Imho. And it is just mhm. I do know the average CWS game has gotten slower despite the efforts to speed the game up. At least the last data I saw said that item. I agree with getting rid of the clock. Let the pitcher do what he needs to do. I haven’t seen the use of the timer matter much as the ump still seems to have the discretion of whether to call it or not. Seems pretty random. Uglifies a beautiful game. |
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 4, 2022 15:38:51 GMT -8
I thought we determined the pitch clock was not in effect with runners on base. Not the clock we see. One of the umps is supposed to do the clock. Right. Lol. The rule was changed after 2021 to include runners on base clock.. |
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 4, 2022 15:41:23 GMT -8
Esquer, the Stanford coach, loves to control tempo. When he was the Cal coach, particularly in the 2005-2010 period, would walk slowly out in front of the dugout and give the signals to his team. Then he would slowly return to the dugout. EVERY PITCH. With the clock, he still controls the tempo. Oregon State and every team does it as well. As was noted in an earlier discussion, one of the field umps actually is the official timer rather than the visible, field clock with runners on base. Anyway, the pitchers are apparently all getting a catcher signal that the clock is nearing zero, so there is a signal and the pitcher will do a fake throw to a base. Clock starts fresh. I appreciate the fake throws that are an actual part of game strategy, but there must have been 50 times yesterday when the clock was approaching zero that the pitcher would kill the clock with a half-assed fake toss. The end result-an even slower game. Both teams. Get rid of the clock. Imho. And it is just mhm. I do know the average CWS game has gotten slower despite the efforts to speed the game up. At least the last data I saw said that item. I agree with getting rid of the clock. Let the pitcher do what he needs to do. I haven’t seen the use of the timer matter much as the ump still seems to have the discretion of whether to call it or not. Seems pretty random. Uglifies a beautiful game. Exactly. By the way, does anybody know why the Beaver player, I think Smith, given a ball yesterday without a pitch being thrown? Stanford coach was livid. I didn’t see the cause. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 4, 2022 15:46:04 GMT -8
I agree with getting rid of the clock. Let the pitcher do what he needs to do. I haven’t seen the use of the timer matter much as the ump still seems to have the discretion of whether to call it or not. Seems pretty random. Uglifies a beautiful game. Exactly. By the way, does anybody know why the Beaver player, I think Smith, given a ball yesterday without a pitch being thrown? Esquire was livid. I didn’t see the cause. The ball was probably deflated. |
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Post by vhalum92 on Apr 4, 2022 16:08:37 GMT -8
On Saturday the 3b umpire was using a box on his belt to reset the pitch clock.
I agree... ditch the clock. Or... no more fake throws to a base by the pitcher. Force them to make the throw and every once in a while an error is going to be made and that is why you need to deliver to the plate.
But I'd rather we go back to not having it.
If we have it... I love our fans getting excited when it hits zero.
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Post by irimi on Apr 4, 2022 16:10:42 GMT -8
On Saturday the 3b umpire was using a box on his belt to reset the pitch clock. I agree... ditch the clock. Or... no more fake throws to a base by the pitcher. Force them to make the throw and every once in a while an error is going to be made and that is why you need to deliver to the plate. But I'd rather we go back to not having it. If we have it... I love our fans getting excited when it hits zero. So does Mitch, apparently. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Apr 4, 2022 16:44:36 GMT -8
I want this pitch clock stupidity eliminated permanently.
Games take longer for a variety of reasons, not just pitchers "milking it" on the mound.
Here are some of the other reasons:
1) Hitters are taking more pitches and working counts deeper. Look at our team, how many guys swing at first pitches?
2) Offense hasn't returned to the "gorilla ball" era but offenses are scoring more.(Getting rid of those high seam baseballs in 2015 has made a better game IMO)
3) With scoring up, more pitchers are being used which slows the game down.
4) Some coaches are imitating MLB, in trying to have set up men cover innings 6-8 regardless of the score.
Coaching time outs also slow the game down but not to the degree of the 4 listed.
I don't want a faster game, just to have a faster game.
We had that for awhile before 2015 and the college game sucked, because it was becoming impossible to hit home runs.
The pitchers dominated with a high seam baseball that didn't carry + whatever bats they were using (2012-2014 time period)
"Let baseball be baseball, damn it."
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Post by irimi on Apr 4, 2022 17:18:56 GMT -8
I want this pitch clock stupidity eliminated permanently. Games take longer for a variety of reasons, not just pitchers "milking it" on the mound. Here are some of the other reasons: 1) Hitters are taking more pitches and working counts deeper. Look at our team, how many guys swing at first pitches? 2) Offense hasn't returned to the "gorilla ball" era but offenses are scoring more.(Getting rid of those high seam baseballs in 2015 has made a better game IMO) 3) With scoring up, more pitchers are being used which slows the game down. 4) Some coaches are imitating MLB, in trying to have set up men cover innings 6-8 regardless of the score. Coaching time outs also slow the game down but not to the degree of the 4 listed. I don't want a faster game, just to have a faster game. We had that for awhile before 2015 and the college game sucked, because it was becoming impossible to hit home runs. The pitchers dominated with a high seam baseball that didn't carry + whatever bats they were using (2012-2014 time period) "Let baseball be baseball, damn it." Preach it! |
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Post by OSUprof on Apr 4, 2022 19:23:02 GMT -8
The pitch clock and no-pitch intentional walk were misguided attempts to speed up the game. But they do not. I'm OK with the intentional walk rule but the pitch clock is a mess, particularly with a coach that pushes the envelope and umpires that allow the manipulation.
I would like to see a time limit on mound visits - this is another form of manipulation that some umps don't limit. Some coaches use questions to the ump, followed by a team gathering at the mound, then a coach's visit to game the system and buy time. Some umps lose track of time and let the visits go on for a long period.
Under my revision, there would be the same number of mound visits but the visit will be limited to two minutes each starting at the time the coach leaves the dugout to the time the coach re-enters the dugout. Rather than slow walks we would see sprinting from coaches and a long visit and slow walk would not be used to warm up a pitcher. Failure to return in time would result in ball issued on the current count or the count of the next batter. The same rule would be followed with offensive time outs - two minutes long with failure to adhere resulting in a strike awarded to the current batter or to the next batter if between plate appearances.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 4, 2022 19:31:30 GMT -8
I agree with getting rid of the clock. Let the pitcher do what he needs to do. I haven’t seen the use of the timer matter much as the ump still seems to have the discretion of whether to call it or not. Seems pretty random. Uglifies a beautiful game. Exactly. By the way, does anybody know why the Beaver player, I think Smith, given a ball yesterday without a pitch being thrown? Stanford coach was livid. I didn’t see the cause. Pitching clock violation |
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Post by OSUprof on Apr 4, 2022 19:35:58 GMT -8
I agree with getting rid of the clock. Let the pitcher do what he needs to do. I haven’t seen the use of the timer matter much as the ump still seems to have the discretion of whether to call it or not. Seems pretty random. Uglifies a beautiful game. Exactly. By the way, does anybody know why the Beaver player, I think Smith, given a ball yesterday without a pitch being thrown? Stanford coach was livid. I didn’t see the cause. Was a pitch clock violation. The irony was that his pitcher got away with it twice on Friday but was not called. |
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