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Post by irimi on Mar 25, 2022 14:44:30 GMT -8
So it's everybody else's fault. Typically that's how coaching circles go at this level and above. Cheapest options first. But, it is never a great sign for the HC whether the changes were mandated or the pressure causes the HC to initiate. Bottom line, if folks think a good HC will not come to OSU, what type of assistant will want to board a sinking ship??I'm of the other school obviously. OSU can attract a high quality coach and they do NOT need to have D1 experience. And, it is possible to find a couple quality assistants that see OSU as a chance to prove themselves. Holy smokes if they are part of the staff (whether WT sticks or not) that can provide a +8 or so win total it's a feather in their cap. Stepping stone job for sure, but possible. *Maybe part of the job requirement is to be 40's+ with a 3* of higher rated high school player at or nearing graduation??? The guy that wants to be the next skipper, hopefully.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 25, 2022 14:45:46 GMT -8
Is it accurate to say Thompson has been "fired"? Looks like he's been reassigned. Exactly why I said in a post above that the Oregonlive headline is inflammatory. Trying to get clicks with sensational headline and sacrificing clarity and accuracy. Rupp wasn't fired either, his contract wasn't renewed. Exactly, "fired" has a specific meaning. Means you've terminated their contract; either with cause (you don't have to pay them - generally) or without (you have to pay them whatever the termination clause requires). If someone's contract isn't renewed, that's not being fired. If someone is reassigned under their current employment contract, that's not being fired either.
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Post by irimi on Mar 25, 2022 14:47:20 GMT -8
What’s all the surprise about? A 3-win season means changes have to be made.
How much squawking would there be if we just rode into next year with the same coaching unit and the same players? Nobody would pay to see that.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 25, 2022 14:55:56 GMT -8
That should right there ship! Because Bb Asst coaches are such an important cog in the machine. Actually, they are a pretty damn important cog in the machine. They handle most of the recruiting, opponent scouting, help run the practices, individual off-season workouts, etc. Would you also minimize the roles of coordinators in football? Or the pitching coach in baseball? Why do you think many football coaches fight so hard for the money pool for their assistants to be increased? Because good assistants are invaluable and help you win games. People wanted changes. You're getting them. Same thing Rueck did with Eric Ely, or that Canham did with Pat Bailey. No. that’s why I said “Bb” and we were talking about Beaver basketball in the Basketball thread. Sorry for the confusion. But in reference to your opinion, we are laying half of the majority of the recruiting on a 68 yo guy that’s close to retirement? That might answer some questions.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 25, 2022 15:00:14 GMT -8
That should right there ship! Because Bb Asst coaches are such an important cog in the machine. Actually, they are a pretty damn important cog in the machine. They handle most of the recruiting, opponent scouting, help run the practices, individual off-season workouts, etc. Would you also minimize the roles of coordinators in football? Or the pitching coach in baseball? Why do you think many football coaches fight so hard for the money pool for their assistants to be increased? Because good assistants are invaluable and help you win games. People wanted changes. You're getting them. Same thing Rueck did with Eric Ely, or that Canham did with Pat Bailey. And Rueck made a mistake with Ely. Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 25, 2022 15:01:26 GMT -8
Actually, they are a pretty damn important cog in the machine. They handle most of the recruiting, opponent scouting, help run the practices, individual off-season workouts, etc. Would you also minimize the roles of coordinators in football? Or the pitching coach in baseball? Why do you think many football coaches fight so hard for the money pool for their assistants to be increased? Because good assistants are invaluable and help you win games. People wanted changes. You're getting them. Same thing Rueck did with Eric Ely, or that Canham did with Pat Bailey. No. that’s why I said “Bb” and we were talking about Beaver basketball in the Basketball thread. Sorry for the confusion. But in reference to your opinion, we are laying half of the majority of the recruiting on a 68 yo guy that’s close to retirement? That might answer some questions. The only recruiter on the staff is Marlon, who was retained.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 25, 2022 15:03:13 GMT -8
You ponying up for Big Wayne’s buyout? I detest this overused go-to response. Unimaginative, lazy, and not constructive. Your wife told me that about you 😂
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 25, 2022 15:25:41 GMT -8
What’s all the surprise about? A 3-win season means changes have to be made. How much squawking would there be if we just rode into next year with the same coaching unit and the same players? Nobody would pay to see that. I don't see any posts above stating surprise by these moves.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 25, 2022 15:27:39 GMT -8
Exactly why I said in a post above that the Oregonlive headline is inflammatory. Trying to get clicks with sensational headline and sacrificing clarity and accuracy. Rupp wasn't fired either, his contract wasn't renewed. Exactly, "fired" has a specific meaning. Means you've terminated their contract; either with cause (you don't have to pay them - generally) or without (you have to pay them whatever the termination clause requires). If someone's contract isn't renewed, that's not being fired. If someone is reassigned under their current employment contract, that's not being fired either. I'll be interested to see what happens when Thompson's contract expires. I am assuming the reason why he's being retained is that he still has time left and they don't want to buy him out and they no "cause."
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Post by rafer on Mar 25, 2022 15:48:34 GMT -8
That should right there ship! Because Bb Asst coaches are such an important cog in the machine. Actually, they are a pretty damn important cog in the machine. They handle most of the recruiting, opponent scouting, help run the practices, individual off-season workouts, etc. Would you also minimize the roles of coordinators in football? Or the pitching coach in baseball? Why do you think many football coaches fight so hard for the money pool for their assistants to be increased? Because good assistants are invaluable and help you win games. People wanted changes. You're getting them. Same thing Rueck did with Eric Ely, or that Canham did with Pat Bailey. Dam, you for making sense, not fair!! All this fire WT angst is monotonous and useless, I agree with the changes as stated. I have a feeling it is possibly/likely a mutual agreement. Rupp, retire, Thompson, kids are gone and I'm not happy here now!
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Post by irimi on Mar 25, 2022 16:19:35 GMT -8
What’s all the surprise about? A 3-win season means changes have to be made. How much squawking would there be if we just rode into next year with the same coaching unit and the same players? Nobody would pay to see that. I don't see any posts above stating surprise by these moves. Fair enough. I expected more “good; we’re making changes” posts than “the ship is sinking” posts.
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Post by hawksea on Mar 25, 2022 18:45:41 GMT -8
Rupp has probably been passed by with recruiting, given that he is 68, and they were unable to see the recruits in person the past two years. I don't really blame any program for having poor recruiting going into last year. This year could still be rough, but will hopefully improve. We do need an excellent recruiter as an assistant, and a solid X's and O's guy as our other one. I would be a lot more worried about the program if we weren't coming out of a pandemic, but with the pandemic, not being able to see how players interact in person, or on a team environment, I do give Tinkle a pass on this year. He is clearly taking responsibility, and making changes to improve the program.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 25, 2022 18:48:32 GMT -8
Actually, they are a pretty damn important cog in the machine. They handle most of the recruiting, opponent scouting, help run the practices, individual off-season workouts, etc. Would you also minimize the roles of coordinators in football? Or the pitching coach in baseball? Why do you think many football coaches fight so hard for the money pool for their assistants to be increased? Because good assistants are invaluable and help you win games. People wanted changes. You're getting them. Same thing Rueck did with Eric Ely, or that Canham did with Pat Bailey. And Rueck made a mistake with Ely. Be careful what you wish for. Not sure about that, that's how we go Faulkner, who was a great recruiter.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 25, 2022 18:50:30 GMT -8
Exactly, "fired" has a specific meaning. Means you've terminated their contract; either with cause (you don't have to pay them - generally) or without (you have to pay them whatever the termination clause requires). If someone's contract isn't renewed, that's not being fired. If someone is reassigned under their current employment contract, that's not being fired either. I'll be interested to see what happens when Thompson's contract expires. I am assuming the reason why he's being retained is that he still has time left and they don't want to buy him out and they no "cause." He still has a home in the LA area. My guess is he'll get a job as an assistant at CSUN, Fullerton, Cal Baptist, LMU or some other local non-P5 school.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 25, 2022 18:52:26 GMT -8
And Rueck made a mistake with Ely. Be careful what you wish for. Not sure about that, that's how we go Faulkner, who was a great recruiter. But, Eric was a much better coach.
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