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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 19, 2022 10:06:33 GMT -8
The discussion on whether WT deserves another year or not to a degree comes down to how people view college basketball. Over the past 30 years college basketball has largely become about the NCAA tournament with much of the sporting public only paying close attention to the sport in the month of March. The regular season has been rendered somewhat irrelevant for many people. Last season for OSU was a perfect example, they had a mediocre unremarkable regular season, but got hot and made the tourney and an elite 8 run. The people who support another year for WT tend to think that the NCAA tourney is what matters most, viewing the regular season as secondary in importance. Whereas the people who want WT gone tend to focus more on his overall record and body of work.
So, my question is which of the following 2 seasons would you consider a greater success for OSU basketball?
Ralph's 1980-81 team that went 26 - 2, were undefeated in conference until the final game of the regular season 17 - 1. Were number 1 in the nation for 6 weeks and were the talk of the state and a national sports story throughout the season, selling out most every game. BUT heartbreakingly losing in the first round of the NCAA tournament to KSU.
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Last season where they were 10 - 10 and finished 6th in the conference regular season. Were largely irrelevant during the season with generally poor attendance. BUT won the conference tournament and got to the Elite 8 which garnered a lot of positive attention both locally and nationally for a 4-week period.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 19, 2022 10:20:49 GMT -8
No reason to reply to this for the exact reason your stated in your lead. It will just be another thread regurgitating the same old "arguments". We do not need any more threads devoted to WT and this program right now.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 19, 2022 16:12:16 GMT -8
It should be obvious it’s option 2. However, you shouldn’t s%#t the bed the year after that kind of season. It really doesn’t matter what anyone thinks. WT will be back next year and possibly the following. You can either hope he sucks next year and gets canned or you can hope for a resurgence.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 19, 2022 16:35:07 GMT -8
It should be obvious it’s option 2. However, you shouldn’t s%#t the bed the year after that kind of season. It really doesn’t matter what anyone thinks. WT will be back next year and possibly the following. You can either hope he sucks next year and gets canned or you can hope for a resurgence. I think I recall someone one this board claiming preseason last year (could have been the year before, not sure which right now) they hoped the team would suck so he'd get canned. It'd be curious to look it up to see what that poster thought come tournament time last year. I don't get why anyone could be so vindictive that they hope for failure of something they supposedly care about.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 19, 2022 16:38:05 GMT -8
It should be obvious it’s option 2. However, you shouldn’t s%#t the bed the year after that kind of season. It really doesn’t matter what anyone thinks. WT will be back next year and possibly the following. You can either hope he sucks next year and gets canned or you can hope for a resurgence. I think I recall someone one this board claiming preseason last year (could have been the year before, not sure which right now) they hoped the team would suck so he'd get canned. It'd be curious to look it up to see what that poster thought come tournament time last year. I don't get why anyone could be so vindictive that they hope for failure of something they supposedly care about. Yes, I love Beav fans that hope we suck to get rid of a coach. Haven’t we sucked enough in several sports?
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Post by ee1990 on Mar 21, 2022 16:37:08 GMT -8
Gee, which program was healthier, Miller's or Tinkle's?
FFS
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 21, 2022 16:57:19 GMT -8
Miller's was obviously healthier. It was healthier than most programs in the country... but in his latter years there were several letters to the Oregonian sports editor complaining that Miller should be fired.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 21, 2022 16:58:50 GMT -8
Gee, which program was healthier, Miller's or Tinkle's? FFS Who went the farthest in the NCAA tournament? Remember that 1982 doesn’t count.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 21, 2022 17:22:07 GMT -8
Gee, which program was healthier, Miller's or Tinkle's? FFS Who went the farthest in the NCAA tournament? Remember that 1982 doesn’t count. Who cares... completely different eras of hoops, and players. The nonsensical comparisons are old. WT is what he is, the numbers and lack of recruiting don't lie. Let's try dealing with the here and now. The program is in complete disarray, has no young player base to build from and the current recruits are pretty lackluster. Again, the real question: what will SB accept as improvement next year vs the financial commitment to WT?
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 21, 2022 17:25:18 GMT -8
Who went the farthest in the NCAA tournament? Remember that 1982 doesn’t count. Who cares... completely different eras of hoops, and players. The nonsensical comparisons are old. WT is what he is, the numbers and lack of recruiting don't lie. Let's try dealing with the here and now. The program is in complete disarray, has no young player base to build from and the current recruits are pretty lackluster. Again, the real question: what will SB accept as improvement next year vs the financial commitment to WT? The here and now is that we went to the Elite 8 last year. Ralph is dead.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 21, 2022 17:41:29 GMT -8
Who cares... completely different eras of hoops, and players. The nonsensical comparisons are old. WT is what he is, the numbers and lack of recruiting don't lie. Let's try dealing with the here and now. The program is in complete disarray, has no young player base to build from and the current recruits are pretty lackluster. Again, the real question: what will SB accept as improvement next year vs the financial commitment to WT? The here and now is that we went to the Elite 8 last year. Ralph is dead. Actually here and now is coming off a 3-28 season DESPITE an E8 appearance and being picked top half of the conference.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 21, 2022 17:50:33 GMT -8
The here and now is that we went to the Elite 8 last year. Ralph is dead. Actually here and now is coming off a 3-28 season DESPITE an E8 appearance and being picked to half of the conference. I don’t know what “picked to half of the conference” means, but we finished last. Did we hit that metric?
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 21, 2022 19:14:42 GMT -8
Rolando Blackman STILL SUCKS If I remember correctly OSU missed some "easy shots" late and and only scored like 22 points in the 2nd half. Both #1 (DePaul) and #2 in the final AP poll lost that day... OSU 50-48, DePaul (Aguirre and Cummings) vs St. Joe's 49-48. And, both teams stars were held in check. *why does this site auto correct "bun nies" to "easy shots"??
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Post by OSUprof on Mar 21, 2022 20:02:40 GMT -8
Most fans have moved on but the few passionate defenders of the status quo remain. Fans are expecting that Wayne Tinkle will be with us for some time to come but have sought out other sports including women's basketball. The women's program has outdrawn the men in each of the last three seasons where fans have been allowed. I expect that to continue for a 4th season next year. Even the Elite 8 run did not stimulate increased interest among fans in the form of increased season ticket sales so regular season or tourney doesn't matter.
Winning 3 games in 31 attempts is a special kind of bad - maybe we should celebrate the accomplishment as this is really hard to do? You might be able to run out the same players on the court against the 31 opponents without a coach and possibly win more than 3. There's a reason that no one has done this in over 100 years of conference basketball. But just don't expect me and others to pay to watch it especially with resurgent wrestling, gymnastics, football, baseball and others readily available.
At this point, I'm in favor of keeping Wayne because there doesn't seem to be enough collective passion in Beaver Nation to push him out the door. Why change if so few even care?
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 21, 2022 20:37:46 GMT -8
Gee, which program was healthier, Miller's or Tinkle's? FFS Who went the farthest in the NCAA tournament? Remember that 1982 doesn’t count. It does to me!
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