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Post by jdogge on Mar 9, 2022 22:38:33 GMT -8
Who stays, who leaves?
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 10, 2022 5:48:16 GMT -8
No idea. By my count Beavers had 14 scholarship players this year with the extra scholarship being because of the Covid exception. Going forward some players have option of extra Covid year, but those using it now count against 13 scholarship limit. With 3 recruit commitments so far (assuming all make it on campus) that means at least 4 players are gone. Silva and Malone-Key are gone for sure. I can’t remember if Calloo was on his extra Covid year or not, but I’ve always assumed he’d be gone. Then there is Hunt. Haven’t heard much about him officially, but wouldn’t surprise me if he takes up basketball again that he transfers. I believe Alatishe still has extra Covid year option, but wouldn’t surprise me that if he uses it that it would be somewhere else. Williams was nonexistent late season, but not sure if that was because of injury or not.
As for the rest of the team, it is anyone’s guess unless some have announced something that I missed. I know Andela has said he’s back, but is it a certainty that he doesn’t transfer? So with the six mentioned in first paragraph (and some of those are speculation on my part) that leaves two open spots. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we have another 1 to 3 other players moving on given how this season went. Maybe some who are closer to the team have an inkling who else might leave. But I guess it is a waiting game, and we’ll likely know more over next few weeks.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2022 7:57:32 GMT -8
No idea. By my count Beavers had 14 scholarship players this year with the extra scholarship being because of the Covid exception. Going forward some players have option of extra Covid year, but those using it now count against 13 scholarship limit. With 3 recruit commitments so far (assuming all make it on campus) that means at least 4 players are gone. Silva and Malone-Key are gone for sure. I can’t remember if Calloo was on his extra Covid year or not, but I’ve always assumed he’d be gone. Then there is Hunt. Haven’t heard much about him officially, but wouldn’t surprise me if he takes up basketball again that he transfers. I believe Alatishe still has extra Covid year option, but wouldn’t surprise me that if he uses it that it would be somewhere else. Williams was nonexistent late season, but not sure if that was because of injury or not. As for the rest of the team, it is anyone’s guess unless some have announced something that I missed. I know Andela has said he’s back, but is it a certainty that he doesn’t transfer? So with the six mentioned in first paragraph (and some of those are speculation on my part) that leaves two open spots. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we have another 1 to 3 other players moving on given how this season went. Maybe some who are closer to the team have an inkling who else might leave. But I guess it is a waiting game, and we’ll likely know more over next few weeks. Calloo is done. I would be shocked if Alatishe doesn't leave, but he does have one more year.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 10, 2022 8:22:18 GMT -8
No idea. By my count Beavers had 14 scholarship players this year with the extra scholarship being because of the Covid exception. Going forward some players have option of extra Covid year, but those using it now count against 13 scholarship limit. With 3 recruit commitments so far (assuming all make it on campus) that means at least 4 players are gone. Silva and Malone-Key are gone for sure. I can’t remember if Calloo was on his extra Covid year or not, but I’ve always assumed he’d be gone. Then there is Hunt. Haven’t heard much about him officially, but wouldn’t surprise me if he takes up basketball again that he transfers. I believe Alatishe still has extra Covid year option, but wouldn’t surprise me that if he uses it that it would be somewhere else. Williams was nonexistent late season, but not sure if that was because of injury or not. As for the rest of the team, it is anyone’s guess unless some have announced something that I missed. I know Andela has said he’s back, but is it a certainty that he doesn’t transfer? So with the six mentioned in first paragraph (and some of those are speculation on my part) that leaves two open spots. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we have another 1 to 3 other players moving on given how this season went. Maybe some who are closer to the team have an inkling who else might leave. But I guess it is a waiting game, and we’ll likely know more over next few weeks. Calloo is done. I would be shocked if Alatishe doesn't leave, but he does have one more year. Thanks for confirming.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 10, 2022 8:44:30 GMT -8
Taylor Jr. Andela Davis Lucas (someone).....need a first option type scorer in this position I think.
I think that can be a competitive starting five.
Now....do all four of those guys come back?
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 10, 2022 9:12:45 GMT -8
Taylor Jr. Andela Davis Lucas (someone).....need a first option type scorer in this position I think. I think that can be a competitive starting five. Now....do all four of those guys come back? Besides who will come back, the big question I see is whether departures rid the team of the players who were a roadblock to this year’s team coming together. If not, will be more of the same next year because the talent level will not be enough to overcome that. As to the lineup you mention, I don’t think that’s better than mid pack in conference, and more likely bottom third. Based on who WT has brought in last few years through transfers and HS recruiting, I don’t have much confidence he’ll find a first option type scorer that is good enough to elevate the team. Best hope is Davis gains more consistency, Taylor takes a nice step forward, the new players coming in at least raise the overall team talent — and the team buys into WT’s system and plays like a team. If that can happen, I could see a mid-tier conference team. But that’s a lot of ifs.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2022 9:30:25 GMT -8
Taylor Jr. Andela Davis Lucas (someone).....need a first option type scorer in this position I think. I think that can be a competitive starting five. Now....do all four of those guys come back? I think with the current personnel, you would be looking at Rand in that spot initially. Andela is undersized as a big, so I would think that you would need some size in that remaining spot.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 10, 2022 9:34:24 GMT -8
Rand will have to be way more consistent to see major minutes. He's got the talent for sure, but just gets himself so out of position trying to block/dunk everything. I love what he can bring though. Davis kind of the same way...when he's on, he's amazing, but there were too many times yesterday where I thought his defensive effort was lacking and he kind of looked content to just be a ball mover on offense. We were much more dangerous this season when he was looking to attack and moving the defense before passing the ball.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 10, 2022 9:52:26 GMT -8
Agreed on both players. I like Rand and think he has potential, but unless he takes a HUGE step forward the team is in trouble if he’s starting next year.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 10, 2022 11:15:41 GMT -8
Best guesses by the current roster. Of course who knows what internal discussions happen. Coaches can surely decide a player needs to move on just as a player themself. And, those conversations can be greatly influenced by an incoming portal transfer.:
Hunt... gone, not coming back to OSU
Calloo... gone
Lucas... STAYS/gone (70/30)... source says he's looked at non-Pac12 possibilities closer to home for his last 2 years of eligibility?? And, he's had a couple bench confrontations with coaches, is he one of the "issues"?
Akanno... STAYS... already used his transfer, prob not going to want to sit a year at another D1. Could go to lower division?
Williams... gone/stay (30-70)... has no D1 transfer option without sitting out, but could be shown the door or go to lower level
Malone-Key... gone
Alatishe... gone/stay (80/20)... with knee issues he may decide to get on with his career overseas. Could be "lied to" saying another year at OSU could show NBA what he can really do?
Marial... STAY/gone (80/20)... Who knows?? Was it an academic issue this whole time? Does he have any other options? Really an unknown and not sure he provides anymore than Roman?!
Silva... gone
Davis... gone/stay (70/30)... as a JC he does have a free portal transfer. Like him as a player, but his mercurial performances may be because of his not fitting in with WT, school?? May want better team?
Hobson... walk-on
Johnson... gone/stay (80/20)... concussion or not he's barely seen the floor under WT. Why would he stay??
Andela... STAY... no free transfer option unless he goes down a level of play, sure starter.
Taylor Jr... gone/stay (30/70)... free transfer available and could go almost anywhere he wanted on the WC and play minutes/start. Not sure why he'd stay??
Rand... stay/gone (80/20)... no free portal transfer so staying unless he goes down a level and wants to be closer to home. Not sure his body language showed he was in love with how he was utilized?!
Rand, Andela, Marial, Akanno, Lucas are my sure/almost sure hold overs. Recruiting class is a below average Pac12 class at best. Projects, inexperienced, and will not provide enough input to help OSU out of the basement (10th-12th).
Keep Taylor Jr and Davis around, there is still not talented depth, but OSU could somehow break into the 3rd tier (7th-9th). In either case there still isn't enough HS talent to develop for a program to turn the corner and have a consistent upward trend. IF, this season was injuries, young/talented Frosh (Taylor Jr plus a couple/three) gaining experience and contributing I could see a future with WT in charge. Every single HS kid coming in has to be a "hit" and none can leave from this incoming class. But, that's never happened under WT and with the lack of HS talent/depth/development WT will have to continually depend heavily on the portal and hope for good "fits".
Good news... no matter the roster for '22-23, the season can NOT be worse W/L wise.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 10, 2022 11:28:44 GMT -8
Thanks for that analysis. If Taylor and/or Davis leave, things are going to look real bad. I think they’re more important than Lucas. Regardless, a lot of good things will have to happen for the team to look better than a bottom third team on paper.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 10, 2022 12:29:41 GMT -8
Taylor has the be the focus of building things moving forward, from what's on the roster. WT praised him as representing what the team needed early in the season in terms of culture, and unless that's changed, I'd think he's being sold as the roster anchor moving forward.
A season like that is really hard to stomach for any competitive individual, and it would be hard to blame anyone for wanting a fresh start. The season felt jinxed in many ways, and they way underachieved given their talent level. They went 0-3 in OT games, and 0-9 in games decided by 6 points or less. You would expect they'd get more like half of those statistically; not that a 7-8 win season is that much better, but it would be in terms of not feeling completely snake-bit. They literally got zero satisfaction for their efforts in the 2022 calendar year.
It's so depressing I hardly want to think about it. The program desperately needs something that enables both the players and fans to believe next year can be different.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 14, 2022 17:13:37 GMT -8
Saw on Twitter that Hobson has entered transfer portal.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 14, 2022 17:32:51 GMT -8
We have no idea who won't be asked to come back...who gives the effort and are team guys,versus who are not team guys. If I had my way,I would bring back these guys if they are bought in... Lucas Alitishe Andele Davis Taylor Rand 3 recruits
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 14, 2022 19:10:28 GMT -8
Saw on Twitter that Hobson has entered transfer portal. Are walk ons required, have T o use the portal? Or is it just the easiest method to get your name out there?
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