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Post by easyheat on Mar 6, 2022 18:17:55 GMT -8
PAC-12 CONFERENCE
UCLA (8-4) 5 Texas 1 (Texas ranked #1 in 4 Polls) Texas State 7 Arizona (9-3) 3 USC (9-2) 6 Wagner 2 Cal State-Bakersfield 2 Utah (8-2-1) 1 Stanford (8-3) 3 Cal State-Northridge 2 Iowa 6 WSU (7-5) 5 Yale 1 Washington (7-5) 0 UC-Santa Barbara 7 Oregon (7-5) 5 California (6-6) 5 Florida State 3 San Diego State 4 ASU (5-7) 3
OTHER OSU OPPONENTS IN 2022
Gonzaga (8-2) v Oklahoma State (conclude their series on Monday) Long Beach State (4-6) 8 North Dakota State 5 Grand Canyon (7-4) 19 California Baptist 3 Fresno State 7 Portland (8-3) 1 Nevada-Reno (4-5) v Air Force (Postponed) Seattle U. (1-7) Idle
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Post by beavheart on Mar 6, 2022 19:27:08 GMT -8
Not a great day for the conference. 3 weeks into the season and the conference RPI is already in the tank. Obvious outlier with the Ivy League, but the die is already cast. We are once again staring down the barrel of a 5, MAYBE 6 team post season conference, with the conference getting a max of one host site. www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/rpi-conference
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Post by avidbeaver on Mar 6, 2022 19:39:44 GMT -8
Not a great day for the conference. 3 weeks into the season and the conference RPI is already in the tank. Obvious outlier with the Ivy League, but the die is already cast. We are once again staring down the barrel of a 5, MAYBE 6 team post season conference, with the conference getting a max of one host site. www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/rpi-conferenceWay too early to make any assumptions. Useless numbers at this point.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 6, 2022 20:00:29 GMT -8
Not a great day for the conference. 3 weeks into the season and the conference RPI is already in the tank. Obvious outlier with the Ivy League, but the die is already cast. We are once again staring down the barrel of a 5, MAYBE 6 team post season conference, with the conference getting a max of one host site. www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/rpi-conferenceWay too early to make any assumptions. Useless numbers at this point. Yea, RPI needs lots of data points to be valid.
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Post by grovestbeav on Mar 6, 2022 20:09:35 GMT -8
UCLA just beat Texas. Stanford beat Arkansas. WSU beat A&M. Cal beat FSU once.
Not sure what you're worried about.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 6, 2022 22:18:53 GMT -8
Not a great day for the conference. 3 weeks into the season and the conference RPI is already in the tank. Obvious outlier with the Ivy League, but the die is already cast. We are once again staring down the barrel of a 5, MAYBE 6 team post season conference, with the conference getting a max of one host site. www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/rpi-conferenceThe Pac-12's RPI is about what the Pac-12 finished at last year. The Pac-12 earned three host sites last year. It should be about the same this year.
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Post by beavheart on Mar 7, 2022 7:30:09 GMT -8
Not a great day for the conference. 3 weeks into the season and the conference RPI is already in the tank. Obvious outlier with the Ivy League, but the die is already cast. We are once again staring down the barrel of a 5, MAYBE 6 team post season conference, with the conference getting a max of one host site. www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2022/rpi-conferenceThe Pac-12's RPI is about what the Pac-12 finished at last year. The Pac-12 earned three host sites last year. It should be about the same this year. ...and the year after that, and the year after that, and the year after that. The SEC *earned 7 host sites last year. They sent the same number of teams to Omaha as the Pac12. Difference being that somehow the 3 SEC teams that made it didn't have to play each other until the end of the tournament, as opposed to the 3 Pac12 teams that made it where Stanford and Arizona had to play each other in the first game. My point Wilky is that the RPI continues to turn out basically the exact same thing every year. The SEC and ACC are going to be at the top of the RPI. Meaning they will get more teams into the post season, and more host sites. Forever. Prove me wrong.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 7, 2022 11:00:13 GMT -8
Have seen Ucla,Oklahoma st,ASU,Texas this year. Ucla is for real. Excellent frosh pitcher.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 7, 2022 11:22:14 GMT -8
The Pac-12's RPI is about what the Pac-12 finished at last year. The Pac-12 earned three host sites last year. It should be about the same this year. ...and the year after that, and the year after that, and the year after that. The SEC *earned 7 host sites last year. They sent the same number of teams to Omaha as the Pac12. Difference being that somehow the 3 SEC teams that made it didn't have to play each other until the end of the tournament, as opposed to the 3 Pac12 teams that made it where Stanford and Arizona had to play each other in the first game. My point Wilky is that the RPI continues to turn out basically the exact same thing every year. The SEC and ACC are going to be at the top of the RPI. Meaning they will get more teams into the post season, and more host sites. Forever. Prove me wrong. Wait... what "1st game"?? Zona (Vandy won 7-6 in 12) and Furd (NC St won 10-4) played each other because they both LOST their first game. The same would have happened if Tennessee (lost) and Miss St (won) would have both won or lost. The SEC and ACC should have higher RPIs, they more teams that are essentially better with regards to the RPI. But, it always boils down to winning AND The CWS was represented by: Pac12 (2), ACC (3), SEC (2), B12 (1). Of those (8) only 6 hosted the 1st round, in the Supers: SEC vs ACC... NC St upsets Arkansas ACC vs American... Vandy beats E Car. B12 vs Pac12... Furd wins at TexasTech Pac12 vs SEC... Zona beats Old Miss B12 vs AAC... Texas over SFlorida SEC vs SEC... Tenn over LSU SEC vs ACC... MissSt over ND ACC vs MVC... Virgina over DBU So how was there inequity? What other Pac12 team deserved what?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 7, 2022 12:25:37 GMT -8
The Pac-12's RPI is about what the Pac-12 finished at last year. The Pac-12 earned three host sites last year. It should be about the same this year. ...and the year after that, and the year after that, and the year after that. The SEC *earned 7 host sites last year. They sent the same number of teams to Omaha as the Pac12. Difference being that somehow the 3 SEC teams that made it didn't have to play each other until the end of the tournament, as opposed to the 3 Pac12 teams that made it where Stanford and Arizona had to play each other in the first game. My point Wilky is that the RPI continues to turn out basically the exact same thing every year. The SEC and ACC are going to be at the top of the RPI. Meaning they will get more teams into the post season, and more host sites. Forever. Prove me wrong. The SEC earned five host sites last year and were gifted a sixth. In a normal year, UCLA should have hosted over Florida. The Gators were far and away the worst host team in 2021, as I believe that I said on here when the bracket came out........or shortly before. The whole BS 20-site preselection helped to make last year even more frustrating and stupid than it normally would be. In a normal year, the Bruins looked like they had done enough to play themselves into a host site with that season-ending sweep of the Devils in Phoenix. But they could not host, because they were not one of the 20 on the list. Still, the Pac-12 Tournament should give the Pac-12 an RPI boost this year that it has never previously enjoyed. Florida finished the season by going 3-1 in the SEC Tournament in the final weekend and secured a host site. UCLA swept Arizona State in Phoenix, but, without a Conference Tournament, it was white noise.
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Post by beavheart on Mar 7, 2022 19:51:14 GMT -8
...and the year after that, and the year after that, and the year after that. The SEC *earned 7 host sites last year. They sent the same number of teams to Omaha as the Pac12. Difference being that somehow the 3 SEC teams that made it didn't have to play each other until the end of the tournament, as opposed to the 3 Pac12 teams that made it where Stanford and Arizona had to play each other in the first game. My point Wilky is that the RPI continues to turn out basically the exact same thing every year. The SEC and ACC are going to be at the top of the RPI. Meaning they will get more teams into the post season, and more host sites. Forever. Prove me wrong. Wait... what "1st game"?? Zona (Vandy won 7-6 in 12) and Furd (NC St won 10-4) played each other because they both LOST their first game. The same would have happened if Tennessee (lost) and Miss St (won) would have both won or lost. The SEC and ACC should have higher RPIs, they more teams that are essentially better with regards to the RPI. But, it always boils down to winning AND The CWS was represented by: Pac12 (2), ACC (3), SEC (2), B12 (1). Of those (8) only 6 hosted the 1st round, in the Supers: SEC vs ACC... NC St upsets Arkansas ACC vs American... Vandy beats E Car. B12 vs Pac12... Furd wins at TexasTech Pac12 vs SEC... Zona beats Old Miss B12 vs AAC... Texas over SFlorida SEC vs SEC... Tenn over LSU SEC vs ACC... MissSt over ND ACC vs MVC... Virgina over DBU So how was there inequity? What other Pac12 team deserved what? That's right. I stand corrected. It was that they were on the same side of the bracket that was another nut shot for the Pac12. I guess that has to do with where they start in the tournament, but again I really don't understand the way that is decided either. Most of the time it's roughly regionally based, but then other times not at all because teams just need a place to go. Again, this doesn't seem to work in the favor of teams on the west coast, and we have travelled more than our share in the post season. I don't get what you are saying here,ME: The RPI is flawed and hurts the west coast. Repeatedly. YOU: No, those other conferences are better because... RPI. Look, I'm not going to die on this cross, but I do think the RPI is flawed and it will continue to skew against the west coast. It does it every year. Someone can say they are just random numbers at this point of the season, but you know the SEC and ACC are going to finish 1-2 as a conference, and flood the post season with teams while the Pac12 #6 is a huge maybe. AND, most of our conference will travel. That's what will happen this year. And every year after while we submit to this "math".
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Post by pabeaver on Mar 7, 2022 21:17:55 GMT -8
Wait... what "1st game"?? Zona (Vandy won 7-6 in 12) and Furd (NC St won 10-4) played each other because they both LOST their first game. The same would have happened if Tennessee (lost) and Miss St (won) would have both won or lost. The SEC and ACC should have higher RPIs, they more teams that are essentially better with regards to the RPI. But, it always boils down to winning AND The CWS was represented by: Pac12 (2), ACC (3), SEC (2), B12 (1). Of those (8) only 6 hosted the 1st round, in the Supers: SEC vs ACC... NC St upsets Arkansas ACC vs American... Vandy beats E Car. B12 vs Pac12... Furd wins at TexasTech Pac12 vs SEC... Zona beats Old Miss B12 vs AAC... Texas over SFlorida SEC vs SEC... Tenn over LSU SEC vs ACC... MissSt over ND ACC vs MVC... Virgina over DBU So how was there inequity? What other Pac12 team deserved what? That's right. I stand corrected. It was that they were on the same side of the bracket that was another nut shot for the Pac12. I guess that has to do with where they start in the tournament, but again I really don't understand the way that is decided either. Most of the time it's roughly regionally based, but then other times not at all because teams just need a place to go. Again, this doesn't seem to work in the favor of teams on the west coast, and we have travelled more than our share in the post season. I don't get what you are saying here,ME: The RPI is flawed and hurts the west coast. Repeatedly. YOU: No, those other conferences are better because... RPI. Look, I'm not going to die on this cross, but I do think the RPI is flawed and it will continue to skew against the west coast. It does it every year. Someone can say they are just random numbers at this point of the season, but you know the SEC and ACC are going to finish 1-2 as a conference, and flood the post season with teams while the Pac12 #6 is a huge maybe. AND, most of our conference will travel. That's what will happen this year. And every year after while we submit to this "math". RPI is flawed. Anyone who disagrees must argue that it is a perfect measure.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 7, 2022 21:20:50 GMT -8
Wait... what "1st game"?? Zona (Vandy won 7-6 in 12) and Furd (NC St won 10-4) played each other because they both LOST their first game. The same would have happened if Tennessee (lost) and Miss St (won) would have both won or lost. The SEC and ACC should have higher RPIs, they more teams that are essentially better with regards to the RPI. But, it always boils down to winning AND The CWS was represented by: Pac12 (2), ACC (3), SEC (2), B12 (1). Of those (8) only 6 hosted the 1st round, in the Supers: SEC vs ACC... NC St upsets Arkansas ACC vs American... Vandy beats E Car. B12 vs Pac12... Furd wins at TexasTech Pac12 vs SEC... Zona beats Old Miss B12 vs AAC... Texas over SFlorida SEC vs SEC... Tenn over LSU SEC vs ACC... MissSt over ND ACC vs MVC... Virgina over DBU So how was there inequity? What other Pac12 team deserved what? That's right. I stand corrected. It was that they were on the same side of the bracket that was another nut shot for the Pac12. I guess that has to do with where they start in the tournament, but again I really don't understand the way that is decided either. Most of the time it's roughly regionally based, but then other times not at all because teams just need a place to go. Again, this doesn't seem to work in the favor of teams on the west coast, and we have travelled more than our share in the post season. I don't get what you are saying here,ME: The RPI is flawed and hurts the west coast. Repeatedly. YOU: No, those other conferences are better because... RPI. Look, I'm not going to die on this cross, but I do think the RPI is flawed and it will continue to skew against the west coast. It does it every year. Someone can say they are just random numbers at this point of the season, but you know the SEC and ACC are going to finish 1-2 as a conference, and flood the post season with teams while the Pac12 #6 is a huge maybe. AND, most of our conference will travel. That's what will happen this year. And every year after while we submit to this "math". The Tournament was set up so that the two best Pac-12 teams would play in the losers or winners bracket of the top half of the bracket, if they both lost or won the first game. The third-best Pac-12 team, Oregon, was set up to play on the other side of the bracket, though. The fourth-best Pac-12 team, UCLA, was set up to play at Sunken Diamond, if they won the Lubbock Regional. But they got paired up against the fourth-best three-seed in North Carolina and lost 5-4 in the opener. The Bruins rebounded to crush the Heels in the rematch, 12-2 but did not have enough in the tank to overcome Texas Tech and lost 8-2. The fifth-best Pac-12 team, Oregon State would have played Oregon in the first game of the College World Series. Oregon was placed with the second-best three-seed in LSU, and Oregon State was placed with the third-best three-seed in Dallas Baptist, so none of that came to pass. The sixth-best Pac-12 team, Arizona State, was with Oregon and Oregon State in the bottom half of the bracket, but got rolled by Texas and then could not rebound in time to beat Fairfield. It was different in 2019. There, the two best Pac-12 teams were put on opposite sides of the bracket. UCLA had to play the second-best team in the country in the Super Regional, and Stanford had to play the fifth on the road. In 2018, the four best Pac-12 teams were put on the same side of the bracket. Oregon State and UCLA and Stanford and Washington were each placed such that they would play in the Super Regionals. And then, the four were placed such that they would play in the losers or winners bracket at the bottom of the College World Series bracket. Stanford lost to Cal State Fullerton, but Washington upset Fullerton in Fullerton to advance to the College World Series. Sure enough, Oregon State and Washington played in the losers bracket with the Beavers throttling the Huskies to go on their run.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 7, 2022 21:31:42 GMT -8
...and the year after that, and the year after that, and the year after that. The SEC *earned 7 host sites last year. They sent the same number of teams to Omaha as the Pac12. Difference being that somehow the 3 SEC teams that made it didn't have to play each other until the end of the tournament, as opposed to the 3 Pac12 teams that made it where Stanford and Arizona had to play each other in the first game. My point Wilky is that the RPI continues to turn out basically the exact same thing every year. The SEC and ACC are going to be at the top of the RPI. Meaning they will get more teams into the post season, and more host sites. Forever. Prove me wrong. Wait... what "1st game"?? Zona (Vandy won 7-6 in 12) and Furd (NC St won 10-4) played each other because they both LOST their first game. The same would have happened if Tennessee (lost) and Miss St (won) would have both won or lost. The SEC and ACC should have higher RPIs, they more teams that are essentially better with regards to the RPI. But, it always boils down to winning AND The CWS was represented by: Pac12 (2), ACC (3), SEC (2), B12 (1). Of those (8) only 6 hosted the 1st round, in the Supers: SEC vs ACC... NC St upsets Arkansas ACC vs American... Vandy beats E Car. B12 vs Pac12... Furd wins at TexasTech Pac12 vs SEC... Zona beats Old Miss B12 vs AAC... Texas over SFlorida SEC vs SEC... Tenn over LSU SEC vs ACC... MissSt over ND ACC vs MVC... Virgina over DBU So how was there inequity? What other Pac12 team deserved what? The SEC had three and the ACC had two at the College World Series. UCLA (Pac-12 #4) should have hosted over Florida (SEC #6). The Gators were trash. Instead, the Bruins were literally placed in the Group of Death with Texas Tech and North Carolina. Oregon State had a soft #6 overall seed in TCU, but one of the best three-seeds in Dallas Baptist. I don't know.
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Post by beavheart on Mar 8, 2022 8:58:53 GMT -8
That's right. I stand corrected. It was that they were on the same side of the bracket that was another nut shot for the Pac12. I guess that has to do with where they start in the tournament, but again I really don't understand the way that is decided either. Most of the time it's roughly regionally based, but then other times not at all because teams just need a place to go. Again, this doesn't seem to work in the favor of teams on the west coast, and we have travelled more than our share in the post season. I don't get what you are saying here,ME: The RPI is flawed and hurts the west coast. Repeatedly. YOU: No, those other conferences are better because... RPI. Look, I'm not going to die on this cross, but I do think the RPI is flawed and it will continue to skew against the west coast. It does it every year. Someone can say they are just random numbers at this point of the season, but you know the SEC and ACC are going to finish 1-2 as a conference, and flood the post season with teams while the Pac12 #6 is a huge maybe. AND, most of our conference will travel. That's what will happen this year. And every year after while we submit to this "math". RPI is flawed. Anyone who disagrees must argue that it is a perfect measure. Negative sir. They just need to explain how an impartial rating system churns out the same results year after year. They need to explain how the ACC continually gets preferential treatment from said rating over all but one other conferences when there isn't historical data to support it. And, if it is flawed, are we not supposed to call it out? Here's what I don't get... Why defend the RPI?
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