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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2022 15:46:53 GMT -8
I did not fire the guy. I did not accept mediocrity. That is why that saying is stupid. The only Beaver fans that you can accuse of "accepting mediocrity" are the small handful of boosters that have the AD's ear and a big enough checkbook to make a change. These are not people that hang out on this board. I have no control over who the coach is and therefore I'm not accepting anything by not bitching about everything. The average fan has zero control over what OSU "accepts" or doesn't accept. People say you can "vote" by not buying tickets. That doesn't hold true anymore, especially in basketball where the majority of the money comes from TV contracts. Ticket sales have become a very small piece of the pie and a drop in attendance for basketball is very unlikely to lead to a change unless your big money boosters demand it. If you want to go find the board where the big boosters hang out and bitch to them that they're not doing anything and accepting mediocrity, go for it. You're wasting your breath here. Wait, so you can use the word "we" but then can't use the word "I"? Which is it Chicken Little? BTW, you'd be surprised who has money on this board....we know it's not you but there are quite a few others who do. Come out of your shell Chicken Little!!!!!!!!!!!! That was my point.......I used "we" because people like you think "we" have control over the hiring and firing of coaches and the accepting of mediocrity. "I" know better. And yes, I know that they are some big donors on this board, but I doubt they are the whales that are capable of making the call on a coaching change. And I don't know what the hell your chicken little reference is supposed to mean. I've never said the sky is falling.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 10, 2022 16:23:56 GMT -8
One thing on donors and coaching changes, even if a group of donors got together to buy off Tinkle's contract, what in OSU's hiring history would lead anyone to think they would hire anything but a "project" coach to replace him with?
People go on about how great Ralph was and act like it would be easy to hire like that again. Ralph won the Big 10 conference championship and OSU sweetened the pot to bring him in at maybe 35-45 thousand a year. News flash, those days are long gone. To bring in another coach that had recently won a major conference championship they probably will need to pay up about an extra half to whole million a year or more above what Tinkle's earning now.
As ye sow, so shall ye reap? OSU's been sowing with bargain shelf seed for decades when it comes to head coach hires and their salaries. The only time they broke out of that they got saddled with Andersen. Do we have the donors who will put up the kind pf money to get a proven "name" coach on top of a buyout? Remains to be seen. I expect another "up and comer", maybe the 6th or 7th time is the charm for the basketball program, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 10, 2022 16:36:30 GMT -8
Everybody likes it when a player/coach surpasses the achievements of a prior player/coach. Its likely tinkle passes jay johns losing percentage next year. If he stays around another couple of years he might be able to pass Payne and McKay.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 10, 2022 16:38:44 GMT -8
Wait, so you can use the word "we" but then can't use the word "I"? Which is it Chicken Little? BTW, you'd be surprised who has money on this board....we know it's not you but there are quite a few others who do. Come out of your shell Chicken Little!!!!!!!!!!!! That was my point.......I used "we" because people like you think "we" have control over the hiring and firing of coaches and the accepting of mediocrity. "I" know better. And yes, I know that they are some big donors on this board, but I doubt they are the whales that are capable of making the call on a coaching change. And I don't know what the hell your chicken little reference is supposed to mean. I've never said the sky is falling. rgeorge's dad is not Bill Gates?
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2022 16:41:27 GMT -8
That was my point.......I used "we" because people like you think "we" have control over the hiring and firing of coaches and the accepting of mediocrity. "I" know better. And yes, I know that they are some big donors on this board, but I doubt they are the whales that are capable of making the call on a coaching change. And I don't know what the hell your chicken little reference is supposed to mean. I've never said the sky is falling. rgeorge's dad is not Bill Gates? I think it's scubageorgeballlllls. I know that the people that have been banging on the drum about canning WT for the past 3-4 years are not the whales or something would have happened by now.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 10, 2022 16:54:26 GMT -8
You act like we can hire whomever we want. Coaches say no. Ben Howland said no. Randy Bennett said no too. Damon Stoudamire was at least called. Wayne Tinkle wanted to be here. Don't forget he structured his contract so he was paid less in the first few years so that we weren't hamstrung as much paying him and Craig Robinson. He waived all the bonuses he should've earned during the Elite 8 run. That counts for something in my book. No, he can't continue to lose like he did this season. The injury excuse he had the 5-27 season with a very inexperienced team doesn't fly this time. Half this team had Elite 8 experience. The depth of the talent was greater. Even with the injuries we sustained this year, it doesn't explain the final record. This season was awful, and he knows it. I'm sure he's already trying to figure out how he's going to fix it, and probably has been thinking about it a little more after every single loss. Like I said, give him a chance to dig out of this. He did it once before. I think this is a much harder job, and he's got a much shorter rope, but I'd give him the chance.
To me, he's earned it.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 10, 2022 17:00:13 GMT -8
Everybody likes it when a player/coach surpasses the achievements of a prior player/coach. Its likely tinkle passes jay johns losing percentage next year. If he stays around another couple of years he might be able to pass Payne and McKay. Oh really? Were you saying this at the end of last year when he had posted three consecutive seasons with a .580 winning percentage or better?
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 10, 2022 18:28:22 GMT -8
Everybody likes it when a player/coach surpasses the achievements of a prior player/coach. Its likely tinkle passes jay johns losing percentage next year. If he stays around another couple of years he might be able to pass Payne and McKay. Oh really? Were you saying this at the end of last year when he had posted three consecutive seasons with a .580 winning percentage or better? I don't pick and choose years. I look at the entire tenure. And it's pretty bad. Those same years you cherry picked he was 27-29 in league play. His league record is far worse than than the overall record. Defend him all you want.
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Post by irimi on Mar 10, 2022 18:40:39 GMT -8
Oh really? Were you saying this at the end of last year when he had posted three consecutive seasons with a .580 winning percentage or better? I don't pick and choose years. I look at the entire tenure. And it's pretty bad. Those same years you cherry picked he was 27-29 in league play. His league record is far worse than than the overall record. Defend him all you want. On the other hand, bashing him is getting you nowhere. He’ll be back next year. Isn’t it better to hope that this year was an anomaly—as it appears to be—and hope that next year will be back on track?
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Post by irimi on Mar 10, 2022 18:50:46 GMT -8
More importantly….DUX SUCK! They lost to Colorado!
Love it!
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 10, 2022 18:56:54 GMT -8
First I don't dislike tinkle as a person. And I hope he does well. But at the conclusion of his 8th year his best pac12 record was 10-8 in 18-19 where the beavs tied for 4th. That is the only year he had a winning pac12 record. Can we please quit acting that winning happens far more under tinkle than losing. It doesn't.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 10, 2022 22:46:47 GMT -8
WT publicly stated that having the coaches' kids on the roster at times made it more difficult to recruit. Now that they are gone it is time to put up or shut up in recruiting, whether that be HS players or transfers.
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Post by osufan2k on Mar 11, 2022 8:56:05 GMT -8
How many NCAA tournaments did your buddy Craig lead us to? My buddy? Think you may have responded to the wrong poster. What is your buddy Wayne's record at Oregon State compared to Craig? Craig took a lot of heat from fans for having a record here that has now been matched by Wayne. The NCAA appearance argument I get, but here is something I've thought about. Robinson had GP2 committed before he was fired, so lets say he was given another year or two. With GP2 on the roster, what are the odds Robinson would have had more success and made it to the NCAA tournament? Another thing, if Robinson is not fired, Hallice Cooke most likely does not transfer. Both coaches are not the answer, but it's strange how they have the same record here and are viewed so differently.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 11, 2022 10:14:20 GMT -8
No..Cooke transferred two weeks prior to Robinson being fired.
Bob DeCarolis announced Craig was coming back at the end of March 2014. Cooke transferred in April. Robinson was then fired in May.
Again, nobody is saying Wayne has done an amazing job here. He's done a good job in my opinion. Two NCAA tourney appearances, and 3 .500 or better showings in conference (the first at OSU by anyone since 1992). He's had two historically bad seasons. Immediately after the first one, we had four straight .500 or better seasons overall for the first time since 1987-91, culminating with the only Pac-12 tournament championship in school history and the first Elite 8 appearance in 40 years. Yes, I wish he would've been able to sustain it, and should've done a better job capitalizing on that success, but I'm willing to see if he can turn it around again. If not, we move on.
I don't get the anger towards him or the job he's done here at all.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 11, 2022 10:17:21 GMT -8
No..Cooke transferred two weeks prior to Robinson being fired. Bob DeCarolis announced Craig was coming back at the end of March 2014. Cooke transferred in April. Robinson was then fired in May. Again, nobody is saying Wayne has done an amazing job here. He's done a good job in my opinion. Two NCAA tourney appearances, and 3 .500 or better showings in conference (the first at OSU by anyone since 1992). He's had two historically bad seasons. Immediately after the first one, we had four straight .500 or better seasons overall for the first time since 1987-91, culminating with the only Pac-12 tournament championship in school history and the first Elite 8 appearance in 40 years. Yes, I wish he would've been able to sustain it, and should've done a better job capitalizing on that success, but I'm willing to see if he can turn it around again. If not, we move on. I don't get the anger towards him or the job he's done here at all. Cooke didn't exactly set the world on fire after he transferred anyway.
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