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Post by TheGlove on Mar 11, 2022 10:46:05 GMT -8
No..Cooke transferred two weeks prior to Robinson being fired. Bob DeCarolis announced Craig was coming back at the end of March 2014. Cooke transferred in April. Robinson was then fired in May. Again, nobody is saying Wayne has done an amazing job here. He's done a good job in my opinion. Two NCAA tourney appearances, and 3 .500 or better showings in conference (the first at OSU by anyone since 1992). He's had two historically bad seasons. Immediately after the first one, we had four straight .500 or better seasons overall for the first time since 1987-91, culminating with the only Pac-12 tournament championship in school history and the first Elite 8 appearance in 40 years. Yes, I wish he would've been able to sustain it, and should've done a better job capitalizing on that success, but I'm willing to see if he can turn it around again. If not, we move on. I don't get the anger towards him or the job he's done here at all. Cooke didn't exactly set the world on fire after he transferred anyway. Same with Craig Robinson.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 11, 2022 11:10:42 GMT -8
One difference between the Robinson and Tinkle eras that puts the the ability to make direct rational comparisons in question is that Robinson inherited pretty much every player that scored a basket the previous season under Coach John but Jones and Giles. Tinkle inherited none of the top 5 scorers, or rebounders, and the top returning player statistically averaged 4.0 points and 2.1 rebounds.
In Robinson's year 3, three of his main players were in the top 6 contributors during John's last season. He inherited a lot of firepower.
Tinkle inherited very little by comparison. 15 points and a few rebounds a game total, and by year two the top 4 players on the Beaver's roster had never had even a practice under Robinson. By year three there were no Robinson players left.
Tinkle did not have the benefit of the previous coach leaving experienced players for 3 years that Robinson had. You cannot directly compare their records and say they are under the same circumstances.
Now this season is on Tinkle , and if he were to be relieved of his duties and our freshmen and sophomore players transferred out, the next coach would be entering under much the same circumstances as he did, although the next coach would potentially be inheriting more proven scoring power in Lucas and Davis alone than Tinkle did from Robinson.
Just saying, what some people think is an apples to apples comparison, isn't necessarily so.
Tinkle inherited the weakest level of hand-me-down players in the 50 years I've been following the team. Hopefully the next coach won't be so unfortunate. If a change occurs this year that new coach just might be caught in the same predicament Tinkle was, and it'll basically be Tinkle's fault just as his first 3 years were heavily influenced by Robinson's lack of recruiting success his final 2-3 seasons.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 11, 2022 12:09:18 GMT -8
I see the biggest difference is two NCAA tourneys and an elite eight. Robinson brought in some decent guys (Cunningham, Brandt, Burton, Collier, Duvivier, Nelson) but he could never get them playing at a high level. WT has been wildly inconsistent but there have been very good moments.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 11, 2022 12:30:37 GMT -8
One difference between the Robinson and Tinkle eras that puts the the ability to make direct rational comparisons in question is that Robinson inherited pretty much every player that scored a basket the previous season under Coach John but Jones and Giles. Tinkle inherited none of the top 5 scorers, or rebounders, and the top returning player statistically averaged 4.0 points and 2.1 rebounds. In Robinson's year 3, three of his main players were in the top 6 contributors during John's last season. He inherited a lot of firepower. Tinkle inherited very little by comparison. 15 points and a few rebounds a game total, and by year two the top 4 players on the Beaver's roster had never had even a practice under Robinson. By year three there were no Robinson players left. Tinkle did not have the benefit of the previous coach leaving experienced players for 3 years that Robinson had. You cannot directly compare their records and say they are under the same circumstances. Now this season is on Tinkle , and if he were to be relieved of his duties and our freshmen and sophomore players transferred out, the next coach would be entering under much the same circumstances as he did, although the next coach would potentially be inheriting more proven scoring power in Lucas and Davis alone than Tinkle did from Robinson. Just saying, what some people think is an apples to apples comparison, isn't necessarily so. Tinkle inherited the weakest level of hand-me-down players in the 50 years I've been following the team. Hopefully the next coach won't be so unfortunate. If a change occurs this year that new coach just might be caught in the same predicament Tinkle was, and it'll basically be Tinkle's fault just as his first 3 years were heavily influenced by Robinson's lack of recruiting success his final 2-3 seasons. Wow... you constantly beat the same drum about CR vs WT. You know what counts... their records at OSU. Your roster excuses (conveniently picked 3rd year comparisons, although WT drove off Malcolm so there was a key contributor of the CR era?!) can easily be countered by asking who was the better recruiter? Without the "sons" who exactly has WT recruited other than Drew and some transfers, most of little regard? Some turned out, some did not, such is recruiting. But overall so much better than anything WT has done! Right now I'd gladly take some of these types: 1st full recruiting class... Jared Cunningham Joe Burton Angus Brandt Rhys Murphy Roberto Nelson 2nd class... Ahmad Starks Eric Moreland Omari Johnson Devon Collier 3rd Class... Challe Barton Daniel Gomis 4th Class... LMWalker Victor Robbins Olaf Jarmal Reid 5th Class... Hallice Cooke Cheikh N'Daiye Malcolm Divivier *GPII... CR recruit all the way no matter the "WT had to close/keep him" Of the CR recruits eligible or not stricken medically... GPII, Cheikh, Reid, LMW, Olaf, Gomis, Malcolm all contributed and gave some decent talented depth. But, again, it doesn't matter the circumstances. WT took the job eyes wide open and has failed far more than he's succeeded. And, surprise he's now in a spot worse (far... as CR does not have the two worst records not only in OSU history, but Pac12 history! Probably a fairly certain record not to be broken!) than the coach so criticized before him. But, keep on defending his record vs the guy he's now inferior to... in more than one aspect now! Crazy.
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Post by beaver94 on Mar 11, 2022 13:00:31 GMT -8
One difference between the Robinson and Tinkle eras that puts the the ability to make direct rational comparisons in question is that Robinson inherited pretty much every player that scored a basket the previous season under Coach John but Jones and Giles. Tinkle inherited none of the top 5 scorers, or rebounders, and the top returning player statistically averaged 4.0 points and 2.1 rebounds. In Robinson's year 3, three of his main players were in the top 6 contributors during John's last season. He inherited a lot of firepower. Tinkle inherited very little by comparison. 15 points and a few rebounds a game total, and by year two the top 4 players on the Beaver's roster had never had even a practice under Robinson. By year three there were no Robinson players left. Tinkle did not have the benefit of the previous coach leaving experienced players for 3 years that Robinson had. You cannot directly compare their records and say they are under the same circumstances. Now this season is on Tinkle , and if he were to be relieved of his duties and our freshmen and sophomore players transferred out, the next coach would be entering under much the same circumstances as he did, although the next coach would potentially be inheriting more proven scoring power in Lucas and Davis alone than Tinkle did from Robinson. Just saying, what some people think is an apples to apples comparison, isn't necessarily so. Tinkle inherited the weakest level of hand-me-down players in the 50 years I've been following the team. Hopefully the next coach won't be so unfortunate. If a change occurs this year that new coach just might be caught in the same predicament Tinkle was, and it'll basically be Tinkle's fault just as his first 3 years were heavily influenced by Robinson's lack of recruiting success his final 2-3 seasons. Wow... you constantly beat the same drum about CR vs WT. You know what counts... their records at OSU. Your roster excuses (conveniently picked 3rd year comparisons, although WT drove off Malcolm so there was a key contributor of the CR era?!) can easily be countered by asking who was the better recruiter? Without the "sons" who exactly has WT recruited other than Drew and some transfers, most of little regard? Some turned out, some did not, such is recruiting. But overall so much better than anything WT has done! Right now I'd gladly take some of these types: 1st full recruiting class... Jared Cunningham Joe Burton Angus Brandt Rhys Murphy Roberto Nelson 2nd class... Ahmad Starks Eric Moreland Omari Johnson Devon Collier 3rd Class... Challe Barton Daniel Gomis 4th Class... LMWalker Victor Robbins Olaf Jarmal Reid 5th Class... Hallice Cooke Cheikh N'Daiye Malcolm Divivier *GPII... CR recruit all the way no matter the "WT had to close/keep him" Of the CR recruits eligible or not stricken medically... GPII, Cheikh, Reid, LMW, Olaf, Gomis, Malcolm all contributed and gave some decent talented depth. But, again, it doesn't matter the circumstances. WT took the job eyes wide open and has failed far more than he's succeeded. And, surprise he's now in a spot worse (far... as CR does not have the two worst records not only in OSU history, but Pac12 history! Probably a fairly certain record not to be broken!) than the coach so criticized before him. But, keep on defending his record vs the guy he's now inferior to... in more than one aspect now! Crazy. So GPII is CR all the way. I'm not disagreeing but I don't remember that much hype around him coming out of JC. Did we beat out a bunch of other schools? I honestly really don't remember much about his recruitment. I've always wondered if GPII wouldn't have looked highly at OSU regardless of the coach. He was the third Payton to play here.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 11, 2022 13:17:07 GMT -8
Wow... you constantly beat the same drum about CR vs WT. You know what counts... their records at OSU. Your roster excuses (conveniently picked 3rd year comparisons, although WT drove off Malcolm so there was a key contributor of the CR era?!) can easily be countered by asking who was the better recruiter? Without the "sons" who exactly has WT recruited other than Drew and some transfers, most of little regard? Some turned out, some did not, such is recruiting. But overall so much better than anything WT has done! Right now I'd gladly take some of these types: 1st full recruiting class... Jared Cunningham Joe Burton Angus Brandt Rhys Murphy Roberto Nelson 2nd class... Ahmad Starks Eric Moreland Omari Johnson Devon Collier 3rd Class... Challe Barton Daniel Gomis 4th Class... LMWalker Victor Robbins Olaf Jarmal Reid 5th Class... Hallice Cooke Cheikh N'Daiye Malcolm Divivier *GPII... CR recruit all the way no matter the "WT had to close/keep him" Of the CR recruits eligible or not stricken medically... GPII, Cheikh, Reid, LMW, Olaf, Gomis, Malcolm all contributed and gave some decent talented depth. But, again, it doesn't matter the circumstances. WT took the job eyes wide open and has failed far more than he's succeeded. And, surprise he's now in a spot worse (far... as CR does not have the two worst records not only in OSU history, but Pac12 history! Probably a fairly certain record not to be broken!) than the coach so criticized before him. But, keep on defending his record vs the guy he's now inferior to... in more than one aspect now! Crazy. Not to mention, Tinkle doesn't and never has coached against CR so comparing the two is pretty useless. Tinkle is a sub .500 coach against the teams he's actually coached against while Beaver HC. That's not good. Neither one of them are showing that they are consistently good, but I can't believe people are actual defending CR. I guess some folks really were in to that CBI Championship..........thankfully when they remodeled Gill, they took that stupid banner down. I will give CR credit for being a slightly better recruiter, but I still think Tinkle is a better X's and O's coach. CR might have been OK, but once he recruited some better athletes, he pretty much threw his coaching philosophy out the window. He abandoned the Princeton offense and installed his ground breaking "move" offense. He also recruited athletes that did not want to play D......ie Roberto Nelson (Yes, WT did the same thing with Lucas). He would have been much better off sticking with what worked for him the first couple of years. Slower paced, disciplined basketball and much more emphasis on D.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 11, 2022 13:25:58 GMT -8
I have not posted on a basketball thread since declaring myself done with the season in November. Now that the season is over, it's fair game again.
At the time, the CBI championship was a big boost to a program that just came off a winless Pac-10 season. It got people excited in OSU basketball again. Unfortunately, CR never built on it.
WT gets one more year. Without significant progress in 2022-23 - I'm thinking NIT at the least - he's toast. Paying him off won't be easy but it's even harder to afford a perennially underperforming program that draws 2-3K a game. I like what the Colorado State coach has done. Hopefully he'd still be available and ready to move up.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 11, 2022 13:29:07 GMT -8
I have not posted on a basketball thread since declaring myself done with the season in November. Now that the season is over, it's fair game again. At the time, the CBI championship was a big boost to a program that just came off a winless Pac-10 season. It got people excited in OSU basketball again. Unfortunately, CR never built on it. WT gets one more year. Without significant progress in 2022-23 - I'm thinking NIT at the least - he's toast. Paying him off won't be easy but it's even harder to afford a perennially underperforming program that draws 2-3K a game. I like what the Colorado State coach has done. Hopefully he'd still be available and ready to move up. In addition to the CSU coach, Legans at UP and Golden at San Francisco should also be looked at.......if they are still around.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 11, 2022 13:37:12 GMT -8
Aside from that first class of Robinson's (which was great), I'm not seeing a ton to be excited about there.
If we're going to rewrite history that Challe Barton, Daniel Gomis, Omari Johnson, and Victor Robbins were somehow miles better than the guys Tinkle has brought in, I'm not sure what to say about that.
Devon Collier was great, I'll give you that. Loved that guy.
Moreland was good, but he never averaged more than 10 points a game.
Tinkle's problem hasn't been getting players...it's been keeping them here. Lots of good players haven't lasted. McLaughlin, Hunt, Bruce, pretty much every Juco transfer we've ever signed, Tucker, the Chinese kid with the heart condition (not anyone's fault)....recruiting hasn't necessarily been the problem. Retention has.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 11, 2022 13:54:58 GMT -8
Collier could have been really, really good had be been more dedicated to basketball.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 11, 2022 14:15:29 GMT -8
Wow... you constantly beat the same drum about CR vs WT. You know what counts... their records at OSU. Your roster excuses (conveniently picked 3rd year comparisons, although WT drove off Malcolm so there was a key contributor of the CR era?!) can easily be countered by asking who was the better recruiter? Without the "sons" who exactly has WT recruited other than Drew and some transfers, most of little regard? Some turned out, some did not, such is recruiting. But overall so much better than anything WT has done! Right now I'd gladly take some of these types: 1st full recruiting class... Jared Cunningham Joe Burton Angus Brandt Rhys Murphy Roberto Nelson 2nd class... Ahmad Starks Eric Moreland Omari Johnson Devon Collier 3rd Class... Challe Barton Daniel Gomis 4th Class... LMWalker Victor Robbins Olaf Jarmal Reid 5th Class... Hallice Cooke Cheikh N'Daiye Malcolm Divivier *GPII... CR recruit all the way no matter the "WT had to close/keep him" Of the CR recruits eligible or not stricken medically... GPII, Cheikh, Reid, LMW, Olaf, Gomis, Malcolm all contributed and gave some decent talented depth. But, again, it doesn't matter the circumstances. WT took the job eyes wide open and has failed far more than he's succeeded. And, surprise he's now in a spot worse (far... as CR does not have the two worst records not only in OSU history, but Pac12 history! Probably a fairly certain record not to be broken!) than the coach so criticized before him. But, keep on defending his record vs the guy he's now inferior to... in more than one aspect now! Crazy. So GPII is CR all the way. I'm not disagreeing but I don't remember that much hype around him coming out of JC. Did we beat out a bunch of other schools? I honestly really don't remember much about his recruitment. I've always wondered if GPII wouldn't have looked highly at OSU regardless of the coach. He was the third Payton to play here. Arizona State, Seton Hall and St. Mary's offered GPII in 2013. He visited both Arizona State and St. Mary's in 2013. He committed to Oregon State, but did not qualify, so he had to go the Community College route. I don't think that anyone else actively recruited GPII in 2016
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 11, 2022 15:04:53 GMT -8
One difference between the Robinson and Tinkle eras that puts the the ability to make direct rational comparisons in question is that Robinson inherited pretty much every player that scored a basket the previous season under Coach John but Jones and Giles. Tinkle inherited none of the top 5 scorers, or rebounders, and the top returning player statistically averaged 4.0 points and 2.1 rebounds. In Robinson's year 3, three of his main players were in the top 6 contributors during John's last season. He inherited a lot of firepower. Tinkle inherited very little by comparison. 15 points and a few rebounds a game total, and by year two the top 4 players on the Beaver's roster had never had even a practice under Robinson. By year three there were no Robinson players left. Tinkle did not have the benefit of the previous coach leaving experienced players for 3 years that Robinson had. You cannot directly compare their records and say they are under the same circumstances. Now this season is on Tinkle , and if he were to be relieved of his duties and our freshmen and sophomore players transferred out, the next coach would be entering under much the same circumstances as he did, although the next coach would potentially be inheriting more proven scoring power in Lucas and Davis alone than Tinkle did from Robinson. Just saying, what some people think is an apples to apples comparison, isn't necessarily so. Tinkle inherited the weakest level of hand-me-down players in the 50 years I've been following the team. Hopefully the next coach won't be so unfortunate. If a change occurs this year that new coach just might be caught in the same predicament Tinkle was, and it'll basically be Tinkle's fault just as his first 3 years were heavily influenced by Robinson's lack of recruiting success his final 2-3 seasons. Wow... you constantly beat the same drum about CR vs WT. You know what counts... their records at OSU. Your roster excuses (conveniently picked 3rd year comparisons, although WT drove off Malcolm so there was a key contributor of the CR era?!) can easily be countered by asking who was the better recruiter? Without the "sons" who exactly has WT recruited other than Drew and some transfers, most of little regard? Some turned out, some did not, such is recruiting. But overall so much better than anything WT has done! Right now I'd gladly take some of these types: 1st full recruiting class... Jared Cunningham Joe Burton Angus Brandt Rhys Murphy Roberto Nelson 2nd class... Ahmad Starks Eric Moreland Omari Johnson Devon Collier 3rd Class... Challe Barton Daniel Gomis 4th Class... LMWalker Victor Robbins Olaf Jarmal Reid 5th Class... Hallice Cooke Cheikh N'Daiye Malcolm Divivier *GPII... CR recruit all the way no matter the "WT had to close/keep him" Of the CR recruits eligible or not stricken medically... GPII, Cheikh, Reid, LMW, Olaf, Gomis, Malcolm all contributed and gave some decent talented depth. But, again, it doesn't matter the circumstances. WT took the job eyes wide open and has failed far more than he's succeeded. And, surprise he's now in a spot worse (far... as CR does not have the two worst records not only in OSU history, but Pac12 history! Probably a fairly certain record not to be broken!) than the coach so criticized before him. But, keep on defending his record vs the guy he's now inferior to... in more than one aspect now! Crazy. I actually defended Robinson until the end of his final season and Cooke taking off. He was a better recruiter than Tinkle, yep.... but not a better game time coach, and with what he had coming back it was time for him to move on. He had more to work with his entire time here, yet his very best Pac 12 seasons ever only had only 8 wins and he only topped 14 regular season wins twice in 6 years. He left the next coach in a horrible spot recruit-wise. Tinkle, with the exception of one class, has been a lesser recruiter so far, and there's some issues with retention, but for the most part he's got more out of his players. He had .500 or better regular seasons in 6 of the 8 years he's been here, sprinkled in 8/9/10 win league seasons, made the NCAA tournament twice and should have been in the NIT or better one or two additional times as well (end of season BPIs of 86 and 63 yet went nowhere, 1 because Covid shut down all tournaments- Robinson's teams never got close to that). Tinkle has had two absolutely awful seasons that skew the results of his overall record. He's beaten the preseason pundit predictions in at least 5 of his 8 seasons. I will forever maintain year 3 was because of what he inherited. He'd had all of 1 recruiting class with 1 year under it's belt and didn't have a healthy Tres or Stevie playing at the same time. There were zero healthy Robinson recruits left by then (N'Diaye was the only guy left and he had injury issues) when there should have been at least a couple Robinson recruited upperclassmen. This year IS all on him, it was bad, but I'm not going to advocate for tossing out what is the best coach we've had here since Miller left because of one or two bad seasons which were separated by several years of competitive play. Next year could be bad, but he actually has more firepower coming back than he inherited in year one. If he had a losing season last year on top of this year I'd be all for dumping him, but 10 straight wins and a Final 8 appearance in the NCAAs shows he's got some coaching skills. That and the contract extension buys a year in my opinion. Like someone mentioned earlier, it'll probably take a very competitive year, maybe even a NIT or NCAA appearance, for him to remain beyond next season... but I'm willing to give him a year. Baseba111s and Scubasteve would have been arguing for his season end dismissal up well into February of last year if they hadn't got themself/themselves kicked off the board. Tinkle's shown he can perform beyond what "those guys" have claimed he can.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 11, 2022 15:08:44 GMT -8
Wow... you constantly beat the same drum about CR vs WT. You know what counts... their records at OSU. Your roster excuses (conveniently picked 3rd year comparisons, although WT drove off Malcolm so there was a key contributor of the CR era?!) can easily be countered by asking who was the better recruiter? Without the "sons" who exactly has WT recruited other than Drew and some transfers, most of little regard? Some turned out, some did not, such is recruiting. But overall so much better than anything WT has done! Right now I'd gladly take some of these types: 1st full recruiting class... Jared Cunningham Joe Burton Angus Brandt Rhys Murphy Roberto Nelson 2nd class... Ahmad Starks Eric Moreland Omari Johnson Devon Collier 3rd Class... Challe Barton Daniel Gomis 4th Class... LMWalker Victor Robbins Olaf Jarmal Reid 5th Class... Hallice Cooke Cheikh N'Daiye Malcolm Divivier *GPII... CR recruit all the way no matter the "WT had to close/keep him" Of the CR recruits eligible or not stricken medically... GPII, Cheikh, Reid, LMW, Olaf, Gomis, Malcolm all contributed and gave some decent talented depth. But, again, it doesn't matter the circumstances. WT took the job eyes wide open and has failed far more than he's succeeded. And, surprise he's now in a spot worse (far... as CR does not have the two worst records not only in OSU history, but Pac12 history! Probably a fairly certain record not to be broken!) than the coach so criticized before him. But, keep on defending his record vs the guy he's now inferior to... in more than one aspect now! Crazy. I actually defended Robinson until the end of his final season and Cooke taking off. He was a better recruiter than Tinkle, yep.... but not a better game time coach. He had more to work with his entire time here, yet his very best Pac 12 seasons ever only had only 8 wins and he only topped 14 regular season wins twice in 6 years. He left the next coach in a horrible spot recruit-wise. Tinkle, with the exception of one class, has been a lesser recruiter so far, but for the most part he's got more out of his players. He had .500 or better regular seasons in 6 of the 8 years he's been here, made the NCAA tournament twice and should have been in the NIT or better one or two additional times as well (end of season BPIs of 86 and 63 yet went nowhere, 1 because Covid shut down all tournaments- Robinson's teams never got close to that). Tinkle has had two absolutely awful seasons that skew the results of his overall record. He's beaten the preseason pundit predictions in at least 5 of his 8 seasons. I will forever maintain year 3 was because of what he inherited. He'd had all of 1 recruiting class with 1 year under it's belt and didn't have a healthy Tres or Stevie playing at the same time. There were zero healthy Robinson recruits left by then (N'Diaye was the only guy left and he had injury issues) when there should have been at least a couple Robinson recruited upperclassmen. This year IS all on him, it was bad, but I'm not going to advocate for tossing out what is the best coach we've had here since Miller left because of one or two bad seasons which were separated by several years of competitive play. Next year could be bad, but he actually has more firepower coming back than he inherited in year one. If he had a losing season last year on top of this year I'd be all for dumping him, but 10 straight wins and a Final 8 appearance in the NCAAs shows he's got some coaching skills. That and the contract extension buys a year in my opinion. Like someone mentioned earlier, it'll probably take a very competitive year, maybe even a NIT or NCAA appearance, for him to remain beyond next season... but I'm willing to give him a year. Baseba111s and Scubasteve would have been arguing for his season end dismissal up well into February of last year if they hadn't got themself/themselves kicked off the board. Tinkle's shown he can perform beyond what "those guys" have claimed he can. Do you not know who rgeorge is? Same person.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 11, 2022 15:19:03 GMT -8
I actually defended Robinson until the end of his final season and Cooke taking off. He was a better recruiter than Tinkle, yep.... but not a better game time coach. He had more to work with his entire time here, yet his very best Pac 12 seasons ever only had only 8 wins and he only topped 14 regular season wins twice in 6 years. He left the next coach in a horrible spot recruit-wise. Tinkle, with the exception of one class, has been a lesser recruiter so far, but for the most part he's got more out of his players. He had .500 or better regular seasons in 6 of the 8 years he's been here, made the NCAA tournament twice and should have been in the NIT or better one or two additional times as well (end of season BPIs of 86 and 63 yet went nowhere, 1 because Covid shut down all tournaments- Robinson's teams never got close to that). Tinkle has had two absolutely awful seasons that skew the results of his overall record. He's beaten the preseason pundit predictions in at least 5 of his 8 seasons. I will forever maintain year 3 was because of what he inherited. He'd had all of 1 recruiting class with 1 year under it's belt and didn't have a healthy Tres or Stevie playing at the same time. There were zero healthy Robinson recruits left by then (N'Diaye was the only guy left and he had injury issues) when there should have been at least a couple Robinson recruited upperclassmen. This year IS all on him, it was bad, but I'm not going to advocate for tossing out what is the best coach we've had here since Miller left because of one or two bad seasons which were separated by several years of competitive play. Next year could be bad, but he actually has more firepower coming back than he inherited in year one. If he had a losing season last year on top of this year I'd be all for dumping him, but 10 straight wins and a Final 8 appearance in the NCAAs shows he's got some coaching skills. That and the contract extension buys a year in my opinion. Like someone mentioned earlier, it'll probably take a very competitive year, maybe even a NIT or NCAA appearance, for him to remain beyond next season... but I'm willing to give him a year. Baseba111s and Scubasteve would have been arguing for his season end dismissal up well into February of last year if they hadn't got themself/themselves kicked off the board. Tinkle's shown he can perform beyond what "those guys" have claimed he can. Do you not know who rgeorge is? Same person. I know that. From what I recall I was one of the first to point that out in an early football season game thread after he came back. He's been beating the fire Wayne drum for years, and would have been beating it loudly February last year if he were allowed to be here. It'd be curious to know what was going through his mind during the late season/post season run.
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Post by jdogge on Mar 11, 2022 23:52:48 GMT -8
I guess you're all pretty bored that you're onto page 11 arguing over WT's coaching ability.
So, I ask you this --- how many of you critics have coached at the Pac 12/D1 level and what was your best and worst seasons?
Now before some of you scream that it's not relevant --- I will paraphrase: "those that can do, those who can't piss and moan in a chat room."
F^%$&%g armchair experts.
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