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Post by jdogge on Mar 5, 2022 9:16:49 GMT -8
No, but was it worth it given that the program will be in much worse shape than it would have been with a dismissal after year 6? Yes, it was. I think I’ll keep one of the more thrilling runs in the history of the program. As I’ve said before, I can only imagine if message boards existed, how many people would have been calling for Ralph’s head with all the first round tourney losses. Lamar. Kansas State. Arizona State.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 5, 2022 9:55:37 GMT -8
Evansville and their shooting shirts, West Virginia, New Orleans, Ball State . . . .
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 5, 2022 10:50:02 GMT -8
342-198/204-114 Lowest Pac8/10 finish was 6th his 1st season Multiple HOFs... highly respected throughout the college hoops fraternity
Yeah... if Tinks was anywhere close to RM's record I'm sure folks would just be clamoring. Probably the same ones who think 116-135/53-94 is just fine cuz we made two tourneys??
Bringing Ralph into a conversation about WT is ridiculous. Ralph's "shortcomings" are something far above what WT will ever achieve. WT is a Montana "legend" (to some here also I guess), not a national college basketball legend.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 5, 2022 11:28:17 GMT -8
I'm going to post this just for fun, a quick comparison of RM vs WT records head to head....
First 8 seasons at OSU: RM- 1 tournament appearance 5 seasons of 16 or fewer wins.
WT- 2 tournament appearances 3 seasons of 16 or fewer wins.
To be fair, the team plays more games nowadays than it did back in the 70s and the Tournament takes more teams than it did then. Still, it was a different time and we haven't seen OSU hire a coach who was a multi-time season championship winning head coach in a major conference since Miller retired. I am in no way trying to say Tinkle compares favorably to Miller. Not saying Tinkle's record here is great or even all that good. I'm more saying OSU has proved itself unwilling to hire the level of coach they did when they hired Miller since that hire, and I don't predict them changing that. All things considered, I think he's done better than any coach hired since Miller retired and it's likely that OSU will not step up and hire a truly proven major conference coach when he is gone, whenever that is.
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Post by sportsfan85 on Mar 5, 2022 12:04:29 GMT -8
Do we see an Ironman 5 today? And what is over/ under for players and assistants leaving?
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 5, 2022 12:31:25 GMT -8
I'm going to post this just for fun, a quick comparison of RM vs WT records head to head.... First 8 seasons at OSU: RM- 1 tournament appearance 5 seasons of 16 or fewer wins. WT- 2 tournament appearances 3 seasons of 16 or fewer wins. To be fair, the team plays more games nowadays than it did back in the 70s and the Tournament takes more teams than it did then. Still, it was a different time and we haven't seen OSU hire a coach who was a multi-time season championship winning head coach in a major conference since Miller retired. I am in no way trying to say Tinkle compares favorably to Miller. Not saying Tinkle's record here is great or even all that good. I'm more saying OSU has proved itself unwilling to hire the level of coach they did when they hired Miller since that hire, and I don't predict them changing that. All things considered, I think he's done better than any coach hired since Miller retired and it's likely that OSU will not step up and hire a truly proven major conference coach when he is gone, whenever that is. It would be interesting to see how Miller's level of teams THEN, would have faired NOW if he did have the longer schedule and far more tourney teams. Also, w/ that many more teams, it likely means he may have never lost a first round back then, since the teams we would play would be worse than the first teams he played after we got a bye. As much as it pains me to remember, K-State and Lamar were very good squads w/ future nba players on them. Well Lamar had one (Kea) and a legendary coach (Tubbs) for example.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 5, 2022 12:48:12 GMT -8
He'd probably have picked up an additional 1-3 tournament appearances for sure. Good point on the seeding in the expanded tournaments. He probably would have won and extra game some of those pre-expansion years if there had been 65 teams the entire time.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 5, 2022 13:00:39 GMT -8
He'd probably have picked up an additional 1-3 tournament appearances for sure. Good point on the seeding in the expanded tournaments. He probably would have won and extra game some of those pre-expansion years if there had been 65 teams the entire time. And, also doesn't take into account maybe hosting or playing very close to home. Add, in the upsets that happen who can tell. Having the 68 "top" teams vs 32 is a huge difference. I grew up in that era so I'm innately bias. But, the teams in that Pac8, early Pac10 were tremendous teams. Experienced, not full of one and done types. UCLA, Zona, ASU, UW, ucks, some of the SC and WSU teams were very good. Some elite and full of stars. To me there's no comparing that early/mid 70s to late 80s/ early 90s to now.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 5, 2022 13:59:00 GMT -8
My god just stop trying to compare Miller to Tinkle. Miller would have forgot more about coaching than Tinkle has ever known.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 5, 2022 14:24:09 GMT -8
My god just stop trying to compare Miller to Tinkle. Miller would have forgot more about coaching than Tinkle has ever known. That’s what that much scotch and mores will do to you.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 5, 2022 14:32:06 GMT -8
I'm going to post this just for fun, a quick comparison of RM vs WT records head to head.... First 8 seasons at OSU: RM- 1 tournament appearance 5 seasons of 16 or fewer wins. WT- 2 tournament appearances 3 seasons of 16 or fewer wins. It would be interesting to see how Miller's level of teams THEN, would have faired NOW if he did have the longer schedule and far more tourney teams. Also, w/ that many more teams, it likely means he may have never lost a first round back then, since the teams we would play would be worse than the first teams he played after we got a bye. As much as it pains me to remember, K-State and Lamar were very good squads w/ future nba players on them. Well Lamar had one (Kea) and a legendary coach (Tubbs) for example.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 5, 2022 15:01:37 GMT -8
Oregon once again proving their worth for the tourney lol. Our 6 man crew even took Wazzu down to the last minute and ducks getting plowed by 20+. Very weird season
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 5, 2022 16:58:22 GMT -8
Oregon once again proving their worth for the tourney lol. Our 6 man crew even took Wazzu down to the last minute and ducks getting plowed by 20+. Very weird season uo is on a 3 game losing streak and are now locked into the 5 seed against us in R1 of the Pac-12 tournament.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 5, 2022 18:29:10 GMT -8
It would be nice to finally not screw the pooch this year against them….or umm anyone
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 5, 2022 23:16:40 GMT -8
It would be nice to finally not screw the pooch this year against them….or umm anyone Yes! As long as someone in the "beating the ucks is the only thing that matters" crowd doesn't then justifies the then 4-27 record.
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