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Post by nabeav on Feb 28, 2022 20:43:34 GMT -8
I love how you list all the coaches that have been hired, get to the best one and then downplay Barnes’ role in the hiring. You think he was intensely involved in the hiring of the bad ones? Like he was locked in on hiring the guy that preceded Sinacola?
We’ve established that tinkles two best seasons he was just lucky. How about we agree that the two worst seasons were unlucky too. Wrong mix of injuries and just not getting a timely bucket in any close game.
So eliminate his four “lucky/unlucky” seasons and he’s 32-40 in conference and 69-56 overall. Unspectacular, but decent numbers.
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 28, 2022 21:52:02 GMT -8
I love how you list all the coaches that have been hired, get to the best one and then downplay Barnes’ role in the hiring. You think he was intensely involved in the hiring of the bad ones? Like he was locked in on hiring the guy that preceded Sinacola? We’ve established that tinkles two best seasons he was just lucky. How about we agree that the two worst seasons were unlucky too. Wrong mix of injuries and just not getting a timely bucket in any close game. So eliminate his four “lucky/unlucky” seasons and he’s 32-40 in conference and 69-56 overall. Unspectacular, but decent numbers. Wow, make up stuff much. I don't know SB's actual work/how much on any of the hires, except the one I mentioned. He was fairly hands off until the very end. But, I'm sure the AD delagates. So, in reality the AD isn't really 100% responsible for any hire. Legwork is done, research discussed, interviewed by multiple/committee, more input/ discussion, etc. I'm sure you know the drill. I'm guessing SB then has a final say before submitting to his boss and the HR process. As for your WT portion. I'm not sure why you waste the words. No matter the labels, excuses, or quantifiers, his record, recruiting and W/L, speaks for for itself.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 28, 2022 23:51:11 GMT -8
Ah yes, we had a different secret head coach that nobody knew about. Putin maybe? I love that the two s%#t years are all his fault, but he had nothing to do with the Elite 8 team or the other NCAA appearance. Yes, the old guard that hasn't seen an Elite 8 run since 1982 (vacated) and seen a revolving door of coaches prior to WT wash out. I guess we just settled for "way below mediocrity" for the last 40 years. Pretty sure that 82 Elite 8 still exists in everyone’s mind here. Just sayin’ There are some people almost acting like the Elite 8 is almost commonplace…. This was only the 2nd time in 55 years, it was kinda a big deal for this school anyways. This year does suck though. I think Tinkle will probably get one year to show significant improvement, but if half the team walks after the season and there are enough rich old men with boners for boy’s games who offer to buy him out, we might see a change sooner.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 1, 2022 0:20:51 GMT -8
Pretty sure that 82 Elite 8 still exists in everyone’s mind here. Just sayin’ There are some people almost acting like the Elite 8 is almost commonplace…. This was only the 2nd time in 55 years, it was kinda a big deal for this school anyways. This year does suck though. I think Tinkle will probably get one year to show significant improvement, but if half the team walks after the season and there are enough rich old men with boners for boy’s games who offer to buy him out, we might see a change sooner. I think most of the rich "boner" crowd already forked out/committed to finish a 1/4+ billion dollar football stadium and extra amenities!
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Post by seastape on Mar 1, 2022 0:30:42 GMT -8
Pretty sure that 82 Elite 8 still exists in everyone’s mind here. Just sayin’ There are some people almost acting like the Elite 8 is almost commonplace…. This was only the 2nd time in 55 years, it was kinda a big deal for this school anyways. This year does suck though. I think Tinkle will probably get one year to show significant improvement, but if half the team walks after the season and there are enough rich old men with boners for boy’s games who offer to buy him out, we might see a change sooner. Are there solid rumors that players want to leave after the season or is it just fan speculation?
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Mar 1, 2022 8:25:37 GMT -8
The extension is a whole other can of worms. And that's on the other pariah of OSU athletics...S Scott Barnes. Just ask Pitt basketball about what he did. Yes, because all of those other OSU Scott Barnes hires are really stinking it up...... They only other coaching issue he could be criticized for is not firing the volleyball coach.....but nobody seems to care about that sport. What do non-revenue sports head coaches have to do with this? THINK MCFLY!
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Mar 1, 2022 8:26:21 GMT -8
I love how you list all the coaches that have been hired, get to the best one and then downplay Barnes’ role in the hiring. You think he was intensely involved in the hiring of the bad ones? Like he was locked in on hiring the guy that preceded Sinacola? We’ve established that tinkles two best seasons he was just lucky. How about we agree that the two worst seasons were unlucky too. Wrong mix of injuries and just not getting a timely bucket in any close game. So eliminate his four “lucky/unlucky” seasons and he’s 32-40 in conference and 69-56 overall. Unspectacular, but decent numbers. Did he collect a paycheck for any of the lucky/unlucky seasons? If the answer is yes, you have to include them.
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Post by OSUprof on Mar 1, 2022 8:27:33 GMT -8
There doesn't seem to be evidence that the situation will improve for Tinkle and his program going forward. That is unless Gary Payton or the coaching staff have sons that we don't know about.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Mar 1, 2022 8:29:58 GMT -8
There doesn't seem to be evidence that the situation will improve for Tinkle and his program going forward. That is unless Gary Payton or the coaching staff have sons that we don't know about. Well, the amount that he can still "drop" is much smaller than any sort of improvement going forward. That's just straight odds. But it is Wayne we're talking about here.
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Post by osufan2k on Mar 1, 2022 8:41:15 GMT -8
There doesn't seem to be evidence that the situation will improve for Tinkle and his program going forward. That is unless Gary Payton or the coaching staff have sons that we don't know about. Well, the amount that he can still "drop" is much smaller than any sort of improvement going forward. That's just straight odds. But it is Wayne we're talking about here. It has to improve at this point, unless he can figure out a way to win less than 3 games next season. He's just resetting the bar really low so fan's don't expect an ncaa tournament run every year.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 1, 2022 8:48:54 GMT -8
Yes, because all of those other OSU Scott Barnes hires are really stinking it up...... They only other coaching issue he could be criticized for is not firing the volleyball coach.....but nobody seems to care about that sport. What do non-revenue sports head coaches have to do with this? THINK MCFLY! So you're not happy with Smith's progress either?
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 1, 2022 9:53:47 GMT -8
Some have said that its likely an assistant coach or coaches will be asked to leave at year end. Which leads to this question. What coach is going to come here and work with tinkle for likely one year? Unless that assistant is currently out of a job or is soon to be fired from where ever he might be coaching. I just don't see somebody coming here to work for fired coach walking.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 1, 2022 10:02:56 GMT -8
Some have said that its likely an assistant coach or coaches will be asked to leave at year end. Which leads to this question. What coach is going to come here and work with tinkle for likely one year? Unless that assistant is currently out of a job or is soon to be fired from where ever he might be coaching. I just don't see somebody coming here to work for fired coach walking. Fired coach walking would still be due close to $12 million after next year to make him go away. It's definitely not a done deal.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 1, 2022 10:43:31 GMT -8
Some have said that its likely an assistant coach or coaches will be asked to leave at year end. Which leads to this question. What coach is going to come here and work with tinkle for likely one year? Unless that assistant is currently out of a job or is soon to be fired from where ever he might be coaching. I just don't see somebody coming here to work for fired coach walking. Fired coach walking would still be due close to $12 million after next year to make him go away. It's definitely not a done deal. As I believe spud mentioned in the last day or two where there is a will there is a way.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 1, 2022 10:52:37 GMT -8
There are some people almost acting like the Elite 8 is almost commonplace…. This was only the 2nd time in 55 years, it was kinda a big deal for this school anyways. This year does suck though. I think Tinkle will probably get one year to show significant improvement, but if half the team walks after the season and there are enough rich old men with boners for boy’s games who offer to buy him out, we might see a change sooner. Are there solid rumors that players want to leave after the season or is it just fan speculation? I think it's all speculation. In today's environment it almost seems like a given most teams will have 2-3 transfers. The big question is who those players are. A couple of our younger guys show some promise, it'd be nice to keep them. If Lucas is "done" as someone claimed he was a game or two back, maybe it is time for him to be done. I'm not about to predict how we'll do next year. Tinkle's early teams were predicted to be at the bottom of the league, they were winning teams and one went to the NCAA tourney. Last year the team was pretty much a consensus pick to finish 12th in the league and went to the Final 8. Most every poster on this board blew their predictions those years. Personality mix apparently does count, especially when there are a bunch of injuries and the team is short-handed. I can't say the team is screwed if Tinkle is here, I kind of doubt anyone here has correctly predicted the bulk of his season records here. A little turnover in players, and maybe staff, might not be a bad thing this year- but if they lose the few kids who really look like they have potential and it'll ruffle some more feathers amongst the buyout crowd.
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