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Post by OSUprof on Feb 27, 2022 14:43:33 GMT -8
Fair enough. But the cost of the rebuild will be much higher. When the bill comes due just remember how much we enjoyed the run. It’s kind of hard to forget a one every 40 years run. For us fans yes. Too bad that recruits didn't take notice.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2022 14:48:04 GMT -8
It’s kind of hard to forget a one every 40 years run. For us fans yes. Too bad that recruits didn't take notice. There’s a time lag in recruiting. We should have seen some benefits for the 23 and 24 classes. But, we decided to kill that momentum by laying a turd this year. I’ll still take the Elite 8 run though.
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Post by irimi on Feb 27, 2022 14:54:28 GMT -8
Fair enough. But the cost of the rebuild will be much higher. When the bill comes due just remember how much we enjoyed the run. It’s kind of hard to forget a one every 40 years run. Also hard to forget a once in a lifetime 3 and whatever year.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2022 14:57:18 GMT -8
It’s kind of hard to forget a one every 40 years run. Also hard to forget a once in a lifetime 3 and whatever year. If you were a Beaver football fan for a certain 28 year period, then yes, it’s pretty easy to forget bad seasons. Otherwise, you’d be suicidal.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 27, 2022 16:29:13 GMT -8
So you hated the Elite 8 run? OK. No, but was it worth it given that the program will be in much worse shape than it would have been with a dismissal after year 6? Because dismissing the last 6 other coaches after year 6 or earlier led to us being in so much better shape? No other coach has been able to put together any semblance of success unless the JJ NIT year or CR CBI championship count. There are zero regrets in my mind keeping Tinkle as long as we have because without him, his recruits, and his coaching staff, we do not have that elite 8 run last season.
That being said, his extension that he received was probably too generous. You HAD to extend him because any program that doesn't reward the success we achieved last year all of a sudden becomes a huge red flag for WT and any coach that we want to hire in the future. No coach would want to go or stay somewhere that doesn't reward a historically successful NCAA run. IMO it should've tacked enough years on to give him 4 years left, with incentives built in to add years/bonuses based on performance.
Like Smails said, he has next year to figure it out and if he doesn't then it's time to move on. It just isn't going to happen this year unless for some reason there is so much attrition that a team cannot be fielded next season.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 27, 2022 16:36:26 GMT -8
Yes, it was. I think I’ll keep one of the more thrilling runs in the history of the program. As I’ve said before, I can only imagine if message boards existed, how many people would have been calling for Ralph’s head with all the first round tourney losses. Fair enough. But the cost of the rebuild will be much higher. When the bill comes due just remember how much we enjoyed the run. From a financial standpoint, I think Wilky had a post a while back that talked about how much money the tourney run made us and the conference as a whole. The TV money in the tourney is no joke. Plus WT waived all of his bonuses last season for the run, which I believe is somewhere in the ballpark of ~$500k for the conference tourney win, NCAA appearance, and 3 NCAA tourney wins (a program tying record).
At worst financially, it'll be a wash. Now as far as time it takes to rebuild/get a team to be competitive again? There's really no way of knowing and know way of knowing when or even if that process starts. Outside of the two abysmal seasons WT has had he hasn't had any other seasons below .500. His teams have been remarkably consistent (if a little under-performing based on perceived talent on those teams with the 3 sons) in 6 out of 8 years here. He's earned this season and the chance to figure it out next year, if next year is another losing season then he's done, gone, stick a fork in him.
EDIT: I could've put that all in to one post but didn't read further down till after replying with the first one. Do I get any bonus points for 2 posts in the same unnecessary new thread?
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Post by babeav on Feb 27, 2022 16:37:43 GMT -8
Bring back Davis and Taylor and build around them, the rest of this crew can walk.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2022 16:41:26 GMT -8
Bring back Davis and Taylor and build around them, the rest of this crew can walk. And Andela, Rand & Lucas. Yes, Lucas can help us. The problem is that he should be a 6th man instant offense guy and not a PAC 12 level starter. I also think Johnson could be a decent player, but wouldn’t be shocked if he leaves.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 27, 2022 17:03:34 GMT -8
Bring back Davis and Taylor and build around them, the rest of this crew can walk. And Andela, Rand & Lucas. Yes, Lucas can help us. The problem is that he should be a 6th man instant offense guy and not a PAC 12 level starter. I also think Johnson could be a decent player, but wouldn’t be shocked if he leaves. Yeah I’ve always thought Lucas is more suited to be w gunner off the bench that can be very useful some games
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Post by babeav on Feb 27, 2022 17:47:42 GMT -8
Bring back Davis and Taylor and build around them, the rest of this crew can walk. And Andela, Rand & Lucas. Yes, Lucas can help us. The problem is that he should be a 6th man instant offense guy and not a PAC 12 level starter. I also think Johnson could be a decent player, but wouldn’t be shocked if he leaves. Don’t agree on Lucas…..bad attitude, let him walk. A healthy Andela is a useable piece. Rand is Uber-athletic but really undisciplined…..keep him why not. The 3 committed guys better be able to go early. Wayne really needs to find a big quickly even if Marial gets his academics in order. We are so bad there seems to be need at every position. Last thought Johnson can play if given the chance so I’m thinking he’s looking portal….no opportunity here.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2022 17:54:16 GMT -8
And Andela, Rand & Lucas. Yes, Lucas can help us. The problem is that he should be a 6th man instant offense guy and not a PAC 12 level starter. I also think Johnson could be a decent player, but wouldn’t be shocked if he leaves. Don’t agree on Lucas…..bad attitude, let him walk. A healthy Andela is a useable piece. Rand is Uber-athletic but really undisciplined…..keep him why not. The 3 committed guys better be able to go early. Wayne really needs to find a big quickly even if Marial gets his academics in order. We are so bad there seems to be need at every position. Last thought Johnson can play if given the chance so I’m thinking he’s looking portal….no opportunity here. Lucas has a bad attitude? Why? I question anyone who claims that about any of the 7-8 guys that could actually play at the end of this year.
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Post by babeav on Feb 27, 2022 18:20:58 GMT -8
Lucas was quoted at the UCLA game after being told to sub in…no way I’m fu#king done……attitude? That’s from a friend who sits right behind the bench.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2022 18:38:51 GMT -8
Lucas was quoted at the UCLA game after being told to sub in…no way I’m fu#king done……attitude? That’s from a friend who sits right behind the bench. Ok. I sit right behind the bench and didn’t hear that.
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Post by steinlager on Feb 27, 2022 19:30:18 GMT -8
Quite the interaction on the OSU bench just now.
Jarod Lucas gets subbed out after a bad couple possessions.
Asst coach Kerry Rupp gestures for him to take the sit near coaches.
Lucas ignores him. Says “I’m done”
Rupp responds “that’s the f***ing problem. Right there.” This was a tweet describing situation. Just incredibly frustrating for everyone from players, coaches, administration, and fans.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 27, 2022 19:34:28 GMT -8
And there you have it. Why not play the walk on(s) at that point? What have you got to lose?
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