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Post by qbeaver on Feb 14, 2022 16:28:39 GMT -8
It's not like osu hasn't tried to recruit quick point guards before...Canada from Ucla and Williams at Stanford were players osu tried and missed out on. Didn't know who knew this or not. Just like Ralph Miller and staff were in the final three for Kevin Johnson and Len Bias. True story...
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 22, 2022 11:56:19 GMT -8
If you took a survey of players and asked them if they would like to play in a system of pressure D and getting out and running in transition or play in a system where you walk it up the court, it would be hard to find many who would pick the latter, even most bigs would prefer to get out and run and fill the lanes. It is just more fun playing that style. Winning is what is fun. |
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Post by hoopheritic on Feb 22, 2022 13:55:00 GMT -8
There needs to be a top point guard brought in. A top point guard is as important as a top quarterback. In the modern game a dedicated point guard is overrated. Last year Baylor went 28-3 without a point guard and their primary ball handler never shot a 3 the entire season. On offense, Stanford doesn't utilize a PG most of the time. Who ever gets the D board (as long as they're not an inept ball handler) should initiate the break/early offense. This allows you to manipulate the defense, especially in man to man. Once in the half court dribble offense is weak and inefficient. See Golden State, where the ball rarely touches the floor in the half court. This idea that ball handling and initiation of offense needs to be run through a dedicated point guard is old fashioned. All that matters is manipulating gravity and exploiting the weaknesses of the defense. Hell, TVO isn't a point guard and we're doing OK. I wish we would stop dribbling across half court and doing so much isolation. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 22, 2022 14:03:12 GMT -8
There needs to be a top point guard brought in. A top point guard is as important as a top quarterback. In the modern game a dedicated point guard is overrated. Last year Baylor went 28-3 without a point guard and their primary ball handler never shot a 3 the entire season. On offense, Stanford doesn't utilize a PG most of the time. Who ever gets the D board (as long as they're not an inept ball handler) should initiate the break/early offense. This allows you to manipulate the defense, especially in man to man. Once in the half court dribble offense is weak and inefficient. See Golden State, where the ball rarely touches the floor in the half court. This idea that ball handling and initiation of offense needs to be run through a dedicated point guard is old fashioned. All that matters is manipulating gravity and exploiting the weaknesses of the defense. Hell, TVO isn't a point guard and we're doing OK. I wish we would stop dribbling across half court and doing so much isolation. If we can land a recruit who can manipulate gravity, I like our chances. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 22, 2022 14:07:47 GMT -8
In the modern game a dedicated point guard is overrated. Last year Baylor went 28-3 without a point guard and their primary ball handler never shot a 3 the entire season. On offense, Stanford doesn't utilize a PG most of the time. Who ever gets the D board (as long as they're not an inept ball handler) should initiate the break/early offense. This allows you to manipulate the defense, especially in man to man. Once in the half court dribble offense is weak and inefficient. See Golden State, where the ball rarely touches the floor in the half court. This idea that ball handling and initiation of offense needs to be run through a dedicated point guard is old fashioned. All that matters is manipulating gravity and exploiting the weaknesses of the defense. Hell, TVO isn't a point guard and we're doing OK. I wish we would stop dribbling across half court and doing so much isolation. If we can land a recruit who can manipulate gravity, I like our chances. Captain Marvel is out of eligibility. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 22, 2022 14:09:01 GMT -8
There needs to be a top point guard brought in. A top point guard is as important as a top quarterback. In the modern game a dedicated point guard is overrated. Last year Baylor went 28-3 without a point guard and their primary ball handler never shot a 3 the entire season. On offense, Stanford doesn't utilize a PG most of the time. Who ever gets the D board (as long as they're not an inept ball handler) should initiate the break/early offense. This allows you to manipulate the defense, especially in man to man. Once in the half court dribble offense is weak and inefficient. See Golden State, where the ball rarely touches the floor in the half court. This idea that ball handling and initiation of offense needs to be run through a dedicated point guard is old fashioned. All that matters is manipulating gravity and exploiting the weaknesses of the defense. Hell, TVO isn't a point guard and we're doing OK. I wish we would stop dribbling across half court and doing so much isolation. First, your using the archaic definition of a PG to diminish the idea of needing a "PG". Everyone here pretty much realizes the John Stockton type is not needed in today's game. The reference to an NBA PG is used not because it is appropriate to college WBB (just as your Warriors inclusion), but because everyone recognizes that "type". Second, Furd most certainly does utilize a "PG". Just because they have several highly athletic young women with better than average to excellent handle, doesn't preclude them using a PG. They have multiple PG types. Your mention of Baylor is very similar... multiple very talented players that could handle the ball under pressure and initiate the offense. This year's uck team also has a multitude of PG "types" that are quick, good to great handle, that all can break pressure and initiate the offense. OSU basically has none of those types. OSU has some players with average handle, below average shooting ability. One who is a scorer with average handle and not particularly quick. As of now OSU not having the PG types as seen in other programs not only hinders their offense but individual players in terms of their best skills/assets. Again... I've never seen a post here stating an "old fashion" PG is what is needed. In fact in my time watching OSU WBB they have rarely had a old fashioned PG, but they have had players who fit the mold with better handle, athleticism, and on-court leadership/extension of the coach. |
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Post by sparty on Feb 22, 2022 14:18:03 GMT -8
If we can land a recruit who can manipulate gravity, I like our chances. Captain Marvel is out of eligibility. Gravitron is a 4 star recruit that has Oregon State in her sights. She is weighing all options 😀 |
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Post by grad1973 on Feb 22, 2022 17:18:16 GMT -8
All good points. As you say recruiting rankings are far from perfect and no program hits on all of their recruits. Although in defense of Bigby she was in street clothes on Friday and has missed part of the season with injuries. Also, she is playing on a better roster, there is a reasonable chance that Kampschroeder and Marotte are not making the level of contributions at Oregon as they have made at OSU this season. I don't have an easy explanation, but unfortunately this will be the 5th straight season that Oregon has had a better conference record then OSU. I am not sure if it is because of superior recruiting, coaching or player development... or maybe all of the above. Or maybe it is just a run of bad luck and OSU will turn tables. Maybe starting Sunday?  Remember at the start of the season when Endyia Rodgers transferred to oregon and everyone was saying she would have no place and there were too many guards?
Not everyone would be happy. Even Scherr has bought into doing anything to help their team win in her words. I believe there are some kids who take team over the I.
Gravey will usually take these back up players and show cases them on what they mean to the team and their role in post pressers. He calls Scherr a swiss army knife and she embraces that role and she gets praised for it.
I wished Scott would do more of that praising the backups more and on their roles. More openly praising of each strengths and what they bring to the team.
If you look at ducks girls and Arizona girls their is no shortage of point guards. That seems to be a priority which we need to have also, |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 22, 2022 23:01:11 GMT -8
In the modern game a dedicated point guard is overrated. Last year Baylor went 28-3 without a point guard and their primary ball handler never shot a 3 the entire season. On offense, Stanford doesn't utilize a PG most of the time. Who ever gets the D board (as long as they're not an inept ball handler) should initiate the break/early offense. This allows you to manipulate the defense, especially in man to man. Once in the half court dribble offense is weak and inefficient. See Golden State, where the ball rarely touches the floor in the half court. This idea that ball handling and initiation of offense needs to be run through a dedicated point guard is old fashioned. All that matters is manipulating gravity and exploiting the weaknesses of the defense. Hell, TVO isn't a point guard and we're doing OK. I wish we would stop dribbling across half court and doing so much isolation. First, your using the archaic definition of a PG to diminish the idea of needing a "PG". Everyone here pretty much realizes the John Stockton type is not needed in today's game. The reference to an NBA PG is used not because it is appropriate to college WBB (just as your Warriors inclusion), but because everyone recognizes that "type". Second, Furd most certainly does utilize a "PG". Just because they have several highly athletic young women with better than average to excellent handle, doesn't preclude them using a PG. They have multiple PG types. Your mention of Baylor is very similar... multiple very talented players that could handle the ball under pressure and initiate the offense. This year's uck team also has a multitude of PG "types" that are quick, good to great handle, that all can break pressure and initiate the offense. OSU basically has none of those types. OSU has some players with average handle, below average shooting ability. One who is a scorer with average handle and not particularly quick. As of now OSU not having the PG types as seen in other programs not only hinders their offense but individual players in terms of their best skills/assets. Again... I've never seen a post here stating an "old fashion" PG is what is needed. In fact in my time watching OSU WBB they have rarely had a old fashioned PG, but they have had players who fit the mold with better handle, athleticism, and on-court leadership/extension of the coach. "OSU has some players with average handle, below average shooting ability. One who is a scorer with average handle and not particularly quick" Call me crazy, but doesn't that describe every team in the US? Male and Female? |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 22, 2022 23:12:39 GMT -8
First, your using the archaic definition of a PG to diminish the idea of needing a "PG". Everyone here pretty much realizes the John Stockton type is not needed in today's game. The reference to an NBA PG is used not because it is appropriate to college WBB (just as your Warriors inclusion), but because everyone recognizes that "type". Second, Furd most certainly does utilize a "PG". Just because they have several highly athletic young women with better than average to excellent handle, doesn't preclude them using a PG. They have multiple PG types. Your mention of Baylor is very similar... multiple very talented players that could handle the ball under pressure and initiate the offense. This year's uck team also has a multitude of PG "types" that are quick, good to great handle, that all can break pressure and initiate the offense. OSU basically has none of those types. OSU has some players with average handle, below average shooting ability. One who is a scorer with average handle and not particularly quick. As of now OSU not having the PG types as seen in other programs not only hinders their offense but individual players in terms of their best skills/assets. Again... I've never seen a post here stating an "old fashion" PG is what is needed. In fact in my time watching OSU WBB they have rarely had a old fashioned PG, but they have had players who fit the mold with better handle, athleticism, and on-court leadership/extension of the coach. "OSU has some players with average handle, below average shooting ability. One who is a scorer with average handle and not particularly quick" Call me crazy, but doesn't that describe every team in the US? Male and Female? Your phrasing not mine! |
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Post by greybeav on Feb 23, 2022 12:14:31 GMT -8
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Post by beav74 on Feb 23, 2022 12:36:56 GMT -8
That....and they have Talia listed as a Sophmore.
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 23, 2022 16:56:21 GMT -8
Rueck does need passers, and his offense has worked best when the best passer is a big. That’s true at any level of basketball. While I’d love a great pg, I get why Rueck hasn’t prioritized them - he wants distributors everywhere. Aleah developed into more of the pg type that dominated the ball, but it’s more easily defended than 5 players that can make an assist at any time.
And I’m not sure what a great pg does for this team - does it help our shooting? You have to make the shots to get assists.
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 23, 2022 17:19:50 GMT -8
Rueck does need passers, and his offense has worked best when the best passer is a big. That’s true at any level of basketball. While I’d love a great pg, I get why Rueck hasn’t prioritized them - he wants distributors everywhere. Aleah developed into more of the pg type that dominated the ball, but it’s more easily defended than 5 players that can make an assist at any time. And I’m not sure what a great pg does for this team - does it help our shooting? You have to make the shots to get assists. I'm sure in the multitude of posts it's been addressed, but chemistry seems to missing. More this season than any other it is a bunch of "pieces" running a patterned scheme. It appears without much feel for one another or how to adjust with one another within the scheme on the fly. Maybe just the fit of these individuals? Maybe the combo of youth and newness. Frosh mixed with transfers make it much more difficult to get everyone understanding and at the same time playing free, relaxed, and not having to constantly "think" on the court. At times there is definitely a free flowing vibe with everyone on the same page. They are seeing the same game. They are instinctively reacting. But, there are significant minutes of paralysis by analysis. Then it's the stagnation and someone vs the shot clock. I know this summer was different, but this group really could have used a team trip/games. |
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Post by jones on Feb 23, 2022 17:45:25 GMT -8
Taya Corosdale is a ROCK. She gets clutch rebounds, has long arms, locks down on defense and makes clutch 3 pointers. Taya goes after rebounds; she doesn't wait for them to come to her and she plays a ton of minutes every game. Taya is a bonafide "stud" her only real weakness is passing. But then the whole team makes WTF passes at times. Oh yeah, she is taking opponents off the dribble this year too.
AJ and Greta are extremely fast and hustle, hustle, hustle on both defense and offense; they will only get better. TVO is not yet a college point guard, her handles need work and she hangs onto the ball far too long. She often dribbles straight into a trap and throws the ball away. Both Destiny and Mikayla did that until they developed their pull-up midrange jumper; a shot that both AJ and Greta already have.
BYW, Kennedy blew out a knee, Taya ruptured a hamstring and 'Dre had a medical condition. That will impact "stats" which, in the long run, are meaningless without context.
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