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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 5, 2022 20:11:14 GMT -8
Geez no reason to get personal. Spud pointed out you were incorrect. Accept it and move on. By the way an extension means it wasn't part of the original contract otherwise there wouldn't be a need for an extension. Duh. Duh. Those were part of previous contracts or extensions on to 3 years left. Not new ones.
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Post by irimi on Feb 5, 2022 20:12:16 GMT -8
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Post by speakthetruth on Feb 5, 2022 20:19:49 GMT -8
Bottom line fellow beavs we are stuck (you might use a different word) with a coach that is currently 53 - 85 in pac12 play with 10 games left including one in the pac12 tourney. I don't see another win. So at the conclusion of year 8 he will have a a 53 - 95 record. Do you see something in recruiting that is going to change this mess?
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Post by irimi on Feb 5, 2022 21:14:22 GMT -8
Bottom line fellow beavs we are stuck (you might use a different word) with a coach that is currently 53 - 85 in pac12 play with 10 games left including one in the pac12 tourney. I don't see another win. So at the conclusion of year 8 he will have a a 53 - 95 record. Do you see something in recruiting that is going to change this mess? No one sees another win. No one will see it even if it happens. The way they are playing doesn’t deserve an audience. I’m not sure exactly where the problem lies…with the coaches or with the players. But I’m OK with saying that Tinkle doesn’t have the answers. And I wouldn’t mind if Anderpants gave him a call and taught him how to walk away.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 6, 2022 9:55:03 GMT -8
That was in 2020. In 2021, Tad signed a new contract that bumped him up to around 2.5 million
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Post by irimi on Feb 6, 2022 11:12:19 GMT -8
That was in 2020. In 2021, Tad signed a new contract that bumped him up to around 2.5 million To be honest, I don’t really care. I hate coaches salaries, so I don’t bother to pay attention. Just came across this and thought it could explain.
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Post by beavdowg on Feb 6, 2022 17:30:32 GMT -8
I think the problem lies in Tinkle's inability to recruit. The only good recruits he's EVER gotten were family members of coaches. After that, he's brought in nothing. Nothing will change with his program until he hires someone that can turn the recruiting around. Period.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 6, 2022 17:52:08 GMT -8
I think the problem lies in Tinkle's inability to recruit. The only good recruits he's EVER gotten were family members of coaches. After that, he's brought in nothing. Nothing will change with his program until he hires someone that can turn the recruiting around. Period. Drew Eubanks? Kylor Kelley was pretty good at the end of his career. I liked Reichle. But I’m not arguing that overall his recruiting is extremely weak. It is.
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Post by OSUprof on Feb 6, 2022 18:21:52 GMT -8
I think the problem lies in Tinkle's inability to recruit. The only good recruits he's EVER gotten were family members of coaches. After that, he's brought in nothing. Nothing will change with his program until he hires someone that can turn the recruiting around. Period. I disagree with the notion that the only impediment to better OSU MBB teams is for recruiting to improve. This implies that Tinkle is otherwise a good coach except for recruiting. Looking past the talent on the floor, do you see a cohesive underlying offensive or defensive philosophy that he's imparting to his players through coaching? Do the players show this approach to the game on the court? Are his teams are strong in the fundamentals of the game?
Tinkle is who he is and this has been known to folks that know sports for a long time. The rest of OSU's fans see guys running up and down a court and that's the limit of their basketball knowledge. The trouble for OSU is that good recruits know the difference and know that Tinkle is not teaching his guys the fundamentals of the game and they're sufficiently informed to see that he doesn't have good game plans or in-game coaching.
A better sales pitch is not going to improve recruiting, only better coaching.
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Post by irimi on Feb 6, 2022 18:41:06 GMT -8
I think the problem lies in Tinkle's inability to recruit. The only good recruits he's EVER gotten were family members of coaches. After that, he's brought in nothing. Nothing will change with his program until he hires someone that can turn the recruiting around. Period. I disagree with the notion that the only impediment to better OSU MBB teams is for recruiting to improve. This implies that Tinkle is otherwise a good coach except for recruiting. Looking past the talent on the floor, do you see a cohesive underlying offensive or defensive philosophy that he's imparting to his players through coaching? Do the players show this approach to the game on the court? Are his teams are strong in the fundamentals of the game?
Tinkle is who he is and this has been known to folks that know sports for a long time. The rest of OSU's fans see guys running up and down a court and that's the limit of their basketball knowledge. The trouble for OSU is that good recruits know the difference and know that Tinkle is not teaching his guys the fundamentals of the game and they're sufficiently informed to see that he doesn't have good game plans or in-game coaching.
A better sales pitch is not going to improve recruiting, only better coaching.
All of these faults, I believe, were evident even when the coaches’ kids were on the team.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 6, 2022 18:41:27 GMT -8
I think the problem lies in Tinkle's inability to recruit. The only good recruits he's EVER gotten were family members of coaches. After that, he's brought in nothing. Nothing will change with his program until he hires someone that can turn the recruiting around. Period. I disagree with the notion that the only impediment to better OSU MBB teams is for recruiting to improve. This implies that Tinkle is otherwise a good coach except for recruiting. Looking past the talent on the floor, do you see a cohesive underlying offensive or defensive philosophy that he's imparting to his players through coaching? Do the players show this approach to the game on the court? Are his teams are strong in the fundamentals of the game?
Tinkle is who he is and this has been known to folks that know sports for a long time. The rest of OSU's fans see guys running up and down a court and that's the limit of their basketball knowledge. The trouble for OSU is that good recruits know the difference and know that Tinkle is not teaching his guys the fundamentals of the game and they're sufficiently informed to see that he doesn't have good game plans or in-game coaching.
A better sales pitch is not going to improve recruiting, only better coaching.
I’ve coached for 30+ years. Tinkle is a decent X’s and O’s Coach, but for some reason he has no buy-in this year. They start to run something, then ignore it and then improvise. That’s still his fault for not instilling discipline in his players to run the stuff he’s called, but it’s not that he has no clue how to coach. College coaches should not being teaching a lot of fundamentals other than defense which is not taught in the AAU world. He’s done an awful job with the transfers this year. No team buy-in from them at all. His in-game coaching is not bad if he actually recruited players that would listen to him.
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Post by OSUprof on Feb 6, 2022 18:54:27 GMT -8
I disagree with the notion that the only impediment to better OSU MBB teams is for recruiting to improve. This implies that Tinkle is otherwise a good coach except for recruiting. Looking past the talent on the floor, do you see a cohesive underlying offensive or defensive philosophy that he's imparting to his players through coaching? Do the players show this approach to the game on the court? Are his teams are strong in the fundamentals of the game?
Tinkle is who he is and this has been known to folks that know sports for a long time. The rest of OSU's fans see guys running up and down a court and that's the limit of their basketball knowledge. The trouble for OSU is that good recruits know the difference and know that Tinkle is not teaching his guys the fundamentals of the game and they're sufficiently informed to see that he doesn't have good game plans or in-game coaching.
A better sales pitch is not going to improve recruiting, only better coaching.
I’ve coached for 30+ years. Tinkle is a decent X’s and O’s Coach, but for some reason he has no buy-in this year. They start to run something, then ignore it and then improvise. That’s still his fault for not instilling discipline in his players to run the stuff he’s called, but it’s not that he has no clue how to coach. College coaches should not being teaching a lot of fundamentals other than defense which is not taught in the AAU world. He’s done an awful job with the transfers this year. No team buy-in from them at all. His in-game coaching is not bad if he actually recruited players that would listen to him. We'll just have to disagree on Tinkle's coaching acumen. You do make a good point - one cannot be a good leader, or good teacher or good coach if the people that you're trying to lead, teach or coach do not follow the plan. This ability has nothing to do with recruiting players that will follow the plan, it has to do with being effective in communicating your plan. The best x and o coach in the world cannot be successful if you cannot get the message across to the players. This is on the coach, not the players.
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Post by beaver94 on Feb 6, 2022 19:18:44 GMT -8
I’ve coached for 30+ years. Tinkle is a decent X’s and O’s Coach, but for some reason he has no buy-in this year. They start to run something, then ignore it and then improvise. That’s still his fault for not instilling discipline in his players to run the stuff he’s called, but it’s not that he has no clue how to coach. College coaches should not being teaching a lot of fundamentals other than defense which is not taught in the AAU world. He’s done an awful job with the transfers this year. No team buy-in from them at all. His in-game coaching is not bad if he actually recruited players that would listen to him. We'll just have to disagree on Tinkle's coaching acumen. You do make a good point - one cannot be a good leader, or good teacher or good coach if the people that you're trying to lead, teach or coach do not follow the plan. This ability has nothing to do with recruiting players that will follow the plan, it has to do with being effective in communicating your plan. The best x and o coach in the world cannot be successful if you cannot get the message across to the players. This is on the coach, not the players. I’ve wondered for awhile now if there’s some kind of disconnect in how the staff connects with players. It often feels like the staff and players are on a different page.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 6, 2022 19:21:18 GMT -8
I’ve coached for 30+ years. Tinkle is a decent X’s and O’s Coach, but for some reason he has no buy-in this year. They start to run something, then ignore it and then improvise. That’s still his fault for not instilling discipline in his players to run the stuff he’s called, but it’s not that he has no clue how to coach. College coaches should not being teaching a lot of fundamentals other than defense which is not taught in the AAU world. He’s done an awful job with the transfers this year. No team buy-in from them at all. His in-game coaching is not bad if he actually recruited players that would listen to him. We'll just have to disagree on Tinkle's coaching acumen. You do make a good point - one cannot be a good leader, or good teacher or good coach if the people that you're trying to lead, teach or coach do not follow the plan. This ability has nothing to do with recruiting players that will follow the plan, it has to do with being effective in communicating your plan. The best x and o coach in the world cannot be successful if you cannot get the message across to the players. This is on the coach, not the players. I totally disagree with saying it has nothing to do with recruits following your plan. That is the the definition of recruiting to your system. That is where he has failed this year.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 6, 2022 19:21:44 GMT -8
Welcome converts. I sense the tide is changing.
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