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Post by joeavocado on Jan 31, 2022 9:35:12 GMT -8
Anyone know the attendance for the civil war last Sat night at uo? I noticed a lot of empty seats and was curious, couldn't find a number reported. One of the things I always enjoyed about reading box scores was at the bottom they would list the attendance. I found this an interesting gauge of interest in a program, and how difficult a place is to play in as a visitor. Now it's nearly impossible to find attendance on a per game basis, and if you can, most numbers reported are skewed because they report tickets distributed, not actual attendees.
Granted, COVID is definitely a factor in attendance, but I did find some interesting data points:
-Utah can't fill their arena and they now dropped curtains down to block off the upper bowl to reduce capacity to 8,500. There is very little interest in their program even with a new coach. Ironically the curtains get lifted for full capacity for the women's gymnastics meets.
-Kentucky attendance is down 28% this year, and they are 17-4.
-Georgia, Miss St, Vanderbilt, TX A&M, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Kansas St, and Houston (2021 Final 4 team) are all averaging <7,000 fans per game.
-Nebraska is awful (again), 0-10 in the Big 10, yet still averages over 15,000 per game. Although based on some photos I've seen, it appears a lot of fans with tickets aren't showing up.
-If Utah State were in the PAC12, they would have the second highest average home attendance in the league.
-Usually AZ State fans are quick to fall off when they aren't winning, especially when the coach is a bit of a psycho, but it's impressive they are second in the PAC-12 in attendance.
-The CA schools have been negatively impacted by COIVD restrictions, skewing some comparisons, although San Diego State is averaging over 11,000 fans.
-Like football, the MWC is making the PAC-12 look bad, their average attendance is almost exactly the same as the PAC-12, and that includes Air Force (1,428) and San Jose St (1,400) with abysmal attendance numbers. Although with the PAC-12 it's a bit of a mixed bag with the CA schools due to COVID restrictions.
-I'm guessing if OSU could've assembled a somewhat competitive team with a .500 record, coming off the Elite 8, they could have added a couple thousand to their average attendance.
AVERAGE (As of 1/27)
11,975 - Big Ten
10,231 - SEC
9,933 - Big 12
9,080 - ACC
8,676 - Big East
5,696 - Pac 12
5,643 - Mtn West
PAC 12 (number of home games as of 1/27)
21. Arizona (10) - 12,753
52. Arizona State (8) - 7,566
55. Utah (11) - 7,511
63. Colorado (12) - 6,715
68. Oregon (11) - 6,300
76. UCLA (9) - 5,913
77. Washington (9) - 5,902
93. California (13) - 4,586
110. Oregon State (10) - 3,657
129. Washington State (11) - 2,931
141. Southern Cal (9) - 2,569
170. Stanford (9) - 1,945
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 31, 2022 9:40:33 GMT -8
The Snoregonian said over 10,000.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 31, 2022 18:11:21 GMT -8
Anyone know the attendance for the civil war last Sat night at uo? I noticed a lot of empty seats and was curious, couldn't find a number reported. One of the things I always enjoyed about reading box scores was at the bottom they would list the attendance. I found this an interesting gauge of interest in a program, and how difficult a place is to play in as a visitor. Now it's nearly impossible to find attendance on a per game basis, and if you can, most numbers reported are skewed because they report tickets distributed, not actual attendees. Granted, COVID is definitely a factor in attendance, but I did find some interesting data points: -Utah can't fill their arena and they now dropped curtains down to block off the upper bowl to reduce capacity to 8,500. There is very little interest in their program even with a new coach. Ironically the curtains get lifted for full capacity for the women's gymnastics meets. -Kentucky attendance is down 28% this year, and they are 17-4. -Georgia, Miss St, Vanderbilt, TX A&M, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Kansas St, and Houston (2021 Final 4 team) are all averaging <7,000 fans per game. -Nebraska is awful (again), 0-10 in the Big 10, yet still averages over 15,000 per game. Although based on some photos I've seen, it appears a lot of fans with tickets aren't showing up. -If Utah State were in the PAC12, they would have the second highest average home attendance in the league. -Usually AZ State fans are quick to fall off when they aren't winning, especially when the coach is a bit of a psycho, but it's impressive they are second in the PAC-12 in attendance. -The CA schools have been negatively impacted by COIVD restrictions, skewing some comparisons, although San Diego State is averaging over 11,000 fans. -Like football, the MWC is making the PAC-12 look bad, their average attendance is almost exactly the same as the PAC-12, and that includes Air Force (1,428) and San Jose St (1,400) with abysmal attendance numbers. Although with the PAC-12 it's a bit of a mixed bag with the CA schools due to COVID restrictions. -I'm guessing if OSU could've assembled a somewhat competitive team with a .500 record, coming off the Elite 8, they could have added a couple thousand to their average attendance. AVERAGE (As of 1/27) 11,975 - Big Ten 10,231 - SEC 9,933 - Big 12 9,080 - ACC 8,676 - Big East 5,696 - Pac 12 5,643 - Mtn West PAC 12 (number of home games as of 1/27) 21. Arizona (10) - 12,753 52. Arizona State (8) - 7,566 55. Utah (11) - 7,511 63. Colorado (12) - 6,715 68. Oregon (11) - 6,300 76. UCLA (9) - 5,913 77. Washington (9) - 5,902 93. California (13) - 4,586 110. Oregon State (10) - 3,657 129. Washington State (11) - 2,931 141. Southern Cal (9) - 2,569 170. Stanford (9) - 1,945 ESPN had the CW attendance at 10,712. 87% capacity. Probably was the tickets distributed # though.
I'm not 100% sure that our attendance would be all that great even if we were winning and coming off an elite 8 year. Just look at football this last year, first bowl game in 8 years, undefeated at home, and for a while we looked like a decent bet at a PAC-12 North title. Yet fan attendance was the lowest since.... before the East side was put in? That's just a guess, might need Wilky on that one. Either way, that doesn't fill me with confidence that basketball attendance would be much more than ~5k a night even if we were say 14-5 instead of where we're at.
The PAC has been falling behind in just about everything from a fan support/engagement perspective in both money making sports over the last ten years. I don't see this trend reversing in all honesty, especially so long as COVID is around and games/restrictions keep getting changed on short notice, with the West Coast fans seeing more of this uncertainty due to constantly changing state regulations. It's unfortunate because IMO a rowdy atmosphere in college basketball is one of the most fun fan experiences there is, even more so than football for me.
Hopefully there will be some changes conference-wide that change this, but it will continue to be a recruiting point used against the conference as a whole. It's not a great look for the conference to see its premier players transferring out (Timmy Allen and Remy Martin come to mind from last year), and it makes me wonder if a lack of game atmosphere affects those decisions much.
I've been pleasantly surprised with the turnout for our games so far given how poorly this season has gone, especially with the student attendance. Students have been carrying the attendance numbers for both football and basketball this season, and credit to them for sticking with this team so far. It'll be interesting to see what it looks like coming down the stretch for us, especially with some big TV games coming up (UCLA game is on CBS...). It would be nice to not be showing off an empty arena for those games but not sure we should get our hopes up.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 31, 2022 21:30:11 GMT -8
Anyone know the attendance for the civil war last Sat night at uo? I noticed a lot of empty seats and was curious, couldn't find a number reported. One of the things I always enjoyed about reading box scores was at the bottom they would list the attendance. I found this an interesting gauge of interest in a program, and how difficult a place is to play in as a visitor. Now it's nearly impossible to find attendance on a per game basis, and if you can, most numbers reported are skewed because they report tickets distributed, not actual attendees. Granted, COVID is definitely a factor in attendance, but I did find some interesting data points: -Utah can't fill their arena and they now dropped curtains down to block off the upper bowl to reduce capacity to 8,500. There is very little interest in their program even with a new coach. Ironically the curtains get lifted for full capacity for the women's gymnastics meets. -Kentucky attendance is down 28% this year, and they are 17-4. -Georgia, Miss St, Vanderbilt, TX A&M, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Kansas St, and Houston (2021 Final 4 team) are all averaging <7,000 fans per game. -Nebraska is awful (again), 0-10 in the Big 10, yet still averages over 15,000 per game. Although based on some photos I've seen, it appears a lot of fans with tickets aren't showing up. -If Utah State were in the PAC12, they would have the second highest average home attendance in the league. -Usually AZ State fans are quick to fall off when they aren't winning, especially when the coach is a bit of a psycho, but it's impressive they are second in the PAC-12 in attendance. -The CA schools have been negatively impacted by COIVD restrictions, skewing some comparisons, although San Diego State is averaging over 11,000 fans. -Like football, the MWC is making the PAC-12 look bad, their average attendance is almost exactly the same as the PAC-12, and that includes Air Force (1,428) and San Jose St (1,400) with abysmal attendance numbers. Although with the PAC-12 it's a bit of a mixed bag with the CA schools due to COVID restrictions. -I'm guessing if OSU could've assembled a somewhat competitive team with a .500 record, coming off the Elite 8, they could have added a couple thousand to their average attendance. AVERAGE (As of 1/27) 11,975 - Big Ten 10,231 - SEC 9,933 - Big 12 9,080 - ACC 8,676 - Big East 5,696 - Pac 12 5,643 - Mtn West PAC 12 (number of home games as of 1/27) 21. Arizona (10) - 12,753 52. Arizona State (8) - 7,566 55. Utah (11) - 7,511 63. Colorado (12) - 6,715 68. Oregon (11) - 6,300 76. UCLA (9) - 5,913 77. Washington (9) - 5,902 93. California (13) - 4,586 110. Oregon State (10) - 3,657 129. Washington State (11) - 2,931 141. Southern Cal (9) - 2,569 170. Stanford (9) - 1,945 ESPN had the CW attendance at 10,712. 87% capacity. Probably was the tickets distributed # though.
I'm not 100% sure that our attendance would be all that great even if we were winning and coming off an elite 8 year. Just look at football this last year, first bowl game in 8 years, undefeated at home, and for a while we looked like a decent bet at a PAC-12 North title. Yet fan attendance was the lowest since.... before the East side was put in? That's just a guess, might need Wilky on that one. Either way, that doesn't fill me with confidence that basketball attendance would be much more than ~5k a night even if we were say 14-5 instead of where we're at.
The PAC has been falling behind in just about everything from a fan support/engagement perspective in both money making sports over the last ten years. I don't see this trend reversing in all honesty, especially so long as COVID is around and games/restrictions keep getting changed on short notice, with the West Coast fans seeing more of this uncertainty due to constantly changing state regulations. It's unfortunate because IMO a rowdy atmosphere in college basketball is one of the most fun fan experiences there is, even more so than football for me.
Hopefully there will be some changes conference-wide that change this, but it will continue to be a recruiting point used against the conference as a whole. It's not a great look for the conference to see its premier players transferring out (Timmy Allen and Remy Martin come to mind from last year), and it makes me wonder if a lack of game atmosphere affects those decisions much.
I've been pleasantly surprised with the turnout for our games so far given how poorly this season has gone, especially with the student attendance. Students have been carrying the attendance numbers for both football and basketball this season, and credit to them for sticking with this team so far. It'll be interesting to see what it looks like coming down the stretch for us, especially with some big TV games coming up (UCLA game is on CBS...). It would be nice to not be showing off an empty arena for those games but not sure we should get our hopes up.
Fan attendance was the lowest since 2020, because fans were not allowed. But my family still has my cardboard cutout! Outside of 2020: 2021's home attendance was the lowest since 2004. However, that was because it was a five-game home schedule in 2004, because Oregon State dropped the sixth home game in favor of the game in Baton Rouge. Oregon State averaged 5,811 more people per game in 2004 than in 2021, but 2021 had the highest total because of the extra home game. On a per game average, 2021 is Oregon State's lowest per-game home attendance since 1998. 2021 averaged 1,976 more fans per game than 1998. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Feb 3, 2022 23:27:13 GMT -8
Still seems like live sports attendance is way down in general. Some NHL arenas have had actual crowds of less than 3000 at games (without Covid restrictions). The Blazers have been lousy, but even before the season went south, weeknight games were as weak as they'd been since 2005. Some people may still be nervous about the virus, others not going because of vaccine/mask mandates - but also seems some lost interest after taking the year off of live sports. This was a Flyers game last week:  |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 3, 2022 23:57:26 GMT -8
Really sporting event attendance being down shouldn't be a surprise.
TV allows folks to watch about anything now and far cheaper than tix, parking, and concessions. Factor in you can record for viewing anytime and not having to deal with crowds, traffic, and Covid issues (masks, no masks, potential mask drama, Covid short fuse fans,etc) it's almost a no brainer. Plus, the bigger the city the more magnified a lot of those issues become.
Unless it's something special, family time, fanatic, etc it's just effing easier and cheaper to stay home.
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Post by beaversproud on Feb 4, 2022 9:25:33 GMT -8
Fan experience: What do you get for the $$$?
What else can you be doing for the money/time?
Product on the field/Court etc...
Then there's general societal attitude as well.
Usually crowds are a year or two behind a season.
as far as basketball goes... I would assume if they didn't start the year off as they did... there would be more fans.
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